3 Hour Dosing vs. 4 Hour Dosing: Building Cortisol Reserves

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I remember reading a post saying that some people need to dose HC

every 3 hours rather than 4 hours to build up their cortisol reserves.

I'm still confused about this. First of all, how does taking HC help

us rebuild our cortisol reserves? Is it because our body is using the

HC, and the cortisol we would have been using instead is slowly

" stored " in our adrenals?

And how does 3-hour dosing build up reserves more than 4-hour dosing?

I feel ok on 4-hour dosing, but I haven't felt normal since crashing

my adrenals 2-3 months ago. So I'm going to try the 3-hour dosing.

Also, is there any way of telling when our cortisol reserves have

built back up? Does anybody here know how long it takes?

Thanks!

-Jung

[Guest guest]

Taking your temps tells you how your adrenals are doing. The reason you need

to take HC is because it has cortisol that your body is not producing or is

being used up in too high amounts. In my case, both.

I do every 3 hours because 4 hours is too long for me. HC supposedly gets

used up, or at least half life in 4 hours but for some of us we need every

three to avoid any crashed on the 4th hour.

Cheri

3 Hour Dosing vs. 4 Hour Dosing: Building Cortisol

Reserves

I remember reading a post saying that some people need to dose HC

every 3 hours rather than 4 hours to build up their cortisol reserves.

I'm still confused about this. First of all, how does taking HC help

us rebuild our cortisol reserves? Is it because our body is using the

HC, and the cortisol we would have been using instead is slowly

" stored " in our adrenals?

And how does 3-hour dosing build up reserves more than 4-hour dosing?

I feel ok on 4-hour dosing, but I haven't felt normal since crashing

my adrenals 2-3 months ago. So I'm going to try the 3-hour dosing.

Also, is there any way of telling when our cortisol reserves have

built back up? Does anybody here know how long it takes?

Thanks!

-Jung

[Guest guest]

I reread your post on the adjusted day levels. Do you mean to take

5mg at bedtime, and stress dose at 2.5mg in the evening as required?

Do you know of many people that can live normal lives ie able to do

sports and the like while of HC and Armour?

What do you think about stress dosing? I do (at times)a stressful

job. Am I able to stress dose when the need arises, or should I just

sit it out and wait till the next dose. People often think I'm

doping (me aswell actually)! What is the difference?

thanks

>

> I prefer HC as it is more natural to the body. Pred is hard on the

liver

> and also dos not ath the rythym as well as yoiu can dosing wiht

HC. I

> have ALWAYS needed a bedtime dose of HC! It helps me sleep! If you

start

> out wiht a bedtime dose it would definitely only add to the too

high

> cortisol most of us have at bedtime, but once you get your daytime

dose

> up to 20mg+ most need some little dose at bedtioe to carry the

night

> time levels as well. I do nto think doctors are good at knowing

how to

> ramp up cortiosl. but how can they be? We have how many people's

> experiences here? They get onyl 1-2 peope's feedback and then only

> following their directions.

>

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[Guest guest]

>>Do you know of many people that can live normal lives ie able to do

sports and the like while of HC and Armour?

What do you think about stress dosing? I do (at times)a stressful

job. Am I able to stress dose when the need arises, or should I just

sit it out and wait till the next dose. People often think I'm

doping (me aswell actually)! What is the difference?<<

Well with stress dosing AND living a normal life.. One thing decide this for me.

Are you hoping to heal your adrenals? Then AVOID things thsat cause you to need

stress dosing! If you are happy with taking HC the rest of your life, stress

dose for any extra energy oyu need btu do nto plan on healing your adrenals this

way. I think it takes abotu 2 years of really working on adrenals and then

DESTRESSING your life ot get adrenals to heal. They are nto a fast fix. SO

depends on YOU.

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My doc put me on 5-20mg in the MORNING only..... did NOT work for me!

I had to change to multidosing schedule after 7,5mg morning-only dose,

lol. I had to self-treat a bit... even good docs they just know their

objective knownledge but not the subjective truth. And often docs are

kind of too much relying on percentages and not noticing small things

that are important, even the fairly good ones, kind of rough thinking

don't know how to explain my feeling lol. Ok dunno if this was in the

topic but just my thoughts that's all.

>

> Hi Val and others

>

> About 2 years ago I contacted you and you told me to get on HC

> otherwise my adrenals would never recover, its taken that long to

> find a good doc and get started. Nice to hear from you!

>

> I just called my doc and she said that I can increase my HC dose to

> as much as 20mg in the morning! although 15 is better. What do you

> make of that? I usually read here that doctors and too reserved

> about dosing, esp HC and mine said to just go ahead and try it out!

> I said that I still feel tired in the morning, not quite up to speed

> and she said that it was probably from the thyroid hormone than the

> lack of HC but still go ahead and try 15 or 20mg HC.

>

> It kind of contradicts what you are saying. At the end of the day I

> guess we just want what works and is not doing us any harm. Any

> thoughts?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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I have always needed that bedtime dose, too. And I need 5 as 2.5 just

doesn't cut it for me. I am able to skip the afternoon dose and just

wait til bedtime. Is that ok or should I add another dose in the

afternoon? Right now I am 10~5~5~5 with that last 5 at bedtime. I

am going to move back up to 10~7.5~5~5 since you advised me to up the

HC so I can raise Armour. I just want to make sure I am doing this

right...I really want to do the best thing for my adrenals cuz I want

to wean off this stuff eventually!

Thanks,

Kim

>

> I prefer HC as it is more natural to the body. Pred is hard on the

liver

> and also dos not ath the rythym as well as yoiu can dosing wiht HC.

I

> have ALWAYS needed a bedtime dose of HC! It helps me sleep! If you

start

> out wiht a bedtime dose it would definitely only add to the too

high

> cortisol most of us have at bedtime, but once you get your daytime

dose

> up to 20mg+ most need some little dose at bedtioe to carry the

night

> time levels as well. I do nto think doctors are good at knowing how

to

> ramp up cortiosl. but how can they be? We have how many people's

> experiences here? They get onyl 1-2 peope's feedback and then only

> following their directions.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>I have always needed that bedtime dose, too. And I need 5 as 2.5 just

doesn't cut it for me. I am able to skip the afternoon dose and just

wait til bedtime. Is that ok or should I add another dose in the

afternoon? Right now I am 10~5~5~5 with that last 5 at bedtime. I

am going to move back up to 10~7.5~5~5 since you advised me to up the

HC so I can raise Armour. I just want to make sure I am doing this

right...I really want to do the best thing for my adrenals cuz I want

to wean off this stuff eventually!<<

Sounds liek you are doing things right!

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Hi Val

I had asked this question before but as i read below note of yours i thought i

need to ask one more question. I had increased my isocort dosage last week and i

am resting more.Can not move much especially in morning where i take higher

doses. Also i noticed that i do not get overstimulated like i did before. My

adrenal pain is also getting better.My doses in terms of HC eq. are.

7.5-6.25-5-5 taken 3 hours apart and 2.5 at bad time.

I am wondering if this increased resting(feeling tired)could happen due to ACTH

suppression due to increased morning dose and hence it is something

preferable(will allow adrenals to heal)

or does that mean I am getting worse. I have some additional stresses going on

in my life at this moment so it could be that I am going worse because of that.

So,I am not sure.

Also if one is at stage 7,long term adrenal exhausted,is increasing the dosage

by 1.25 mg every day (while going from 20 mg up) too fast? I wonder if I had

gone too fast.

bw

Nil

Re: 3 Hour Dosing vs. 4 Hour Dosing: Building Cortisol

Reserves

Actually one of the purposes of dosing closer to gether is to make it

work better for you on the same amount. Your dosing rythm is not gret

aright now. most folks that take 10MG inthe AM will need a beditime

dose. It simply causes too much ACTh supression for them to be able to

make enough cortiosl to get through the night. And with the first 2

dises being that high, you need more than 2.5 at night, kind of double

whammy on the ACTH. By lowering those doses an moving them closer to

gether so they carry you through better, you will be able to make more

of your own cortiosl. That is the juggling act we must do to get the

adrenals functional agian. Enough cortiosl to feel decent while not so

much that our own adrenals are totally put to sleep. To go to 3 hour

dosing I would recommend:

12.5 10 5 2.5.

10 - 7.5 - 5 - 2.5 bedtime 5 Say startting at 7 am (or when ever you wake)

doing 7am - 10am - 1PM 4PM and bedtime. If you feel shaky or nauseaus around

7-8 PM you can stick in another 2.5 but it would be best to allow your adrneals

to do a little bit then if they can.

[Guest guest]

>>I am wondering if this increased resting(feeling tired)could happen due to

ACTH suppression due to increased morning dose and hence it is something

preferable(will allow adrenals to heal)<<

Actually it si usually due to lowered adrenaline and is a good thing. BUT you

will feel hypo more now as the adrenaline is not covering it up so are your

temps stable yet? If so yo need to make certain you are working thyroid up

slowly at this point too.

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[Guest guest]

Unfortunately I could not yet start taking temperatures. My functionality level

is too low for that.I am in bad most of the day without being aware of time.Hope

I can start it soon.

Val.. I have no information on hypo thyroid at this moment,do not have recent

tests,don't know anything about thyroid supplements and it will take some time

to learn about these with my functionality level.I am only taking kelp at this

moment as I started having cravings about going to sea side since I increased

isocort.Would it hurt if I do not take any thyroid support other than kelp for

some time? I remember once my naturopath telling me thyroids will recover

themselves as adrenals are healed.is this not correct?

thank you so much.

Nil

Re: 3 Hour Dosing vs. 4 Hour Dosing: Building Cortisol

Reserves

>>I am wondering if this increased resting(feeling tired)could happen due to

ACTH suppression due to increased morning dose and hence it is something

preferable(will allow adrenals to heal)<<

Actually it si usually due to lowered adrenaline and is a good thing. BUT you

will feel hypo more now as the adrenaline is not covering it up so are your

temps stable yet? If so yo need to make certain you are working thyroid up

slowly at this point too.

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[Guest guest]

It is possible thyrodi can recover once adrenal is corrected, but

UNLIKELY. Most thyroid problems are caused by autoimmiune dosease which

isi ALWAYS progressive. And usually it is thyroid problems that cause

the adrenal problems. It will nto hurt anything b ut you may feel even

less able to get out of bed wihtout treatying the thyroid too.

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[Guest guest]

thank you very much Val..

Nil

Re: 3 Hour Dosing vs. 4 Hour Dosing: Building Cortisol

Reserves

It is possible thyrodi can recover once adrenal is corrected, but

UNLIKELY. Most thyroid problems are caused by autoimmiune dosease which

isi ALWAYS progressive. And usually it is thyroid problems that cause

the

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

What symptoms did you have that made you realize you need to take the

HC every 3 hours?

Thanks.