RE: Mickel therapy worthless for thyroid

[Guest guest]

Good read. Freud was a coke head and when I friend of mine was getting her

psychologist's license, we used to laugh all the time about what a quack he

was (not to mention misogynist) and how so many psychologist and

psychiatrists are more screwed up than their patients. I am surprised she

even stuck with the field.

I don't think people here are against psych meds short term since most seem

to have been or are on some in one form or another. The problem is long term

they don't address the underlying issues and they are toxic to the liver as

the buildup accumulates in an already compromised liver which causes more

body stress and adrenal issues. I have a lot of experience with this from

close relatives who nearly died and now are off all meds so I was one who

never believed in them for myself because I knew they wouldn't address the

cause and whatever short term gain they gave me would be offset by other

issues I still needed to address. I took Ambien one night (didn't help) and

that is the furthest I have ventured into any mind drugs. Like I said,

nothing against them short term but they don't balance what is off in the

body and the longer you use them the more you start to see the side effects.

I think if people use them as they are trying to get other things addressed

it is usually fine but if you are on too many and there are

contraindications then a person can prevent themselves from every making

headway.

Mickel therapy worthless for thyroid

Some of us are here because of stresses that have nothing to do with our

minds though we have certainly been accused of that, or at least I have. (

As I said, Freud is dead and sizzling but the lies he told still aren't

dead yet. The antidepressants my psychiatrist prescribe really help with the

insomnia and depression the sleep apnea and thyroid problems cause. Freud

and his ghost have done enormous damage to me and my family. I had to live

with a brain sick mother my whole life because of the snickering and the

moral judgment and the inexcusable ignorance and neglect afforded her and me

by doctors and others. Because of this I have no tolerance for the opinion

any physical health problem is mental or curable by any kind of so called

psychotherapy. That is especially true for ones that even main stream

medicine knows cause mental problems not the other way around. As Christ

said, " The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. "

Yes anxiety can be treated with desensitizing therapy, and that will take

the strain off your adrenals, IF that is all the source of your stress was.

Most of us have other reasons for being stressed: Heavy metal poisoning for

instance. Did I mention I also have that?

Hensley <>< 8-)

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[Guest guest]

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Have you tried Mickel Therapy for yourself.

Frannie

To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS@...:

lhensley@...: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:04:39 -0500Subject:

Mickel therapy worthless for thyroid

Some of us are here because of stresses that have nothing to do with our minds

though we have certainly been accused of that, or at least I have. (My

childhood family doctor told me to my face he was not going to waste his

valuable time on me running tests because, " I had emotional problems. " When my

parents heard this they ceased to respect me and I had it implied many times

that if I really was a good Christian girl I wouldn't be, " afraid to fall

asleep. " That doctor's opinion went in my medical records. The insurance company

dropped me and my father could not get me more and if we paid for a doctor on

our own they would brush me off or send me back and forth to other doctors who

would also brush me off. I was a nice cash cow for them and I am sure they were

laughing behind my back because I did landscape maintenance for a doctor and I

overhead him laughing and ridiculing a similar patient. No one believed me when

I told them my breathing was stopping on me when I tried to sleep. My first

sleep study was a bust because I was not allergic to the hospital clean sleep

clinic. I had no control over the filthy conditions in my parents home because

they thought my allergies were " all in my head. " After all several doctors had

said they were. " Its been a hard road to recovery for me and its been made much

harder by the ghost of Freud who hangs around despite the fact I am sure he is

sizzling nice and hot in Hell where he belongs. It turned out I had TWO kinds of

sleep apnea, both obstructive and central (which is caused by a damaged rib and

my big boobs). The obstructive was only being made worse by the allergies. My

first sleep study was too early for them to realize the stress problems of so

called " mild sleep apnea " which is what they diagnosed me with. After two

operations (throat and also nose), and a CPAP machine I'm better, but bitter. I

had to buy the off of eBay for the sleep apnea machine and up the

pressure myself as I was being undertreated. It really helped. Recipients of

bone marrow from allergic donors develop the exact same allergies as their

donors. If allergies were all psychosomatic this could not happen. My current

psychiatrist knows allergies cause emotional problems, not the other way around,

for many physical reasons (histamine overabundance which interferes with

neurochemicals, fatigue due to breathing problems interfering with sleep,

malnourishment due to gut damage, just never feeling well, etc), but also

because the allergic person develops what I call exogenous paranoia, reality

based paranoia because the world really IS out to get you and many ignorant

people don't believe you and treat you like a nut case and even deliberately

don't tell you the ingredients of foods thinking what you don't know won't hurt

you. As I said, Freud is dead and sizzling but the lies he told still aren't

dead yet. The antidepressants my psychiatrist prescribe really help with the

insomnia and depression the sleep apnea and thyroid problems cause. That is why

I shudder when I read here of folks who think its not a good idea to be on them.

Many here would sleep better if they took the correct one, (not some like Prozac

which actually make sleep worse. You need one that aids serotonin and serotonin

alone). I'm on Sumontil. It is the only one that raises REM sleep instead of

lowering it, and it has probably literally saved my sanity as I was severely REM

sleep deprived. The fatigue from the sleep apnea masked the fatigue from the

thyroid and adrenal problems. I was 32 before I could start getting help for my

sleep apnea (finally looked fat enough to be taken seriously and had a car

accident). It is a myth that all sleep apnea victims are fat. I was a skinny,

frustrated teenager when I first realized my fatigue was breathing related. I

was 48 before my Hashis thyroid problem was diagnosed and the so called

alternate practice doctor would not believe me about my adrenals needing

treating too, despite being shown what it said in the PDR, many articles emailed

to him and my pleas. I gave up, joined this group and started treating it on my

own. I have since received newsletters from him stating he is treating it now,

but its too late. Due to not being able to work I can no longer afford him. My

Mother would have done much better if her thyroid problem had been diagnosed and

her OCD hoarding symptoms had been recognized as a medical problem and not a

mental problem or sign of lazyness or lack of moral character. The brain is a

physical organ! It can malfunction for purely physical reasons and the right

medication can help incredibly. After my power of positive thinking Father

finally died of his power of positive thinking failing to work for him as it had

not for us for decades, I finally was able get my Mother to a geriatric

psychiatrist who did not blame her hoarding on Freudian problems but gave her

meds. He worked with her regular physician and HER thyroid problem was finally

diagnosed! She was in her late 70's and had not had help all that time because

all her problems had been seen as mental! ( After she was put on an

antidepressant I was finally able to clean up our incredibly filthy house with

out her throwing a temper tantrum. My friend and I through out over 11 bags of

spoiled, rotting food from the Kitchen area alone. The garage was also full as

her hoarding OCD made her unable to throw anything away including spoiled food.

I feels sorry for the rat snake we displaced out of there because, " Henry " had

done a good job eating some of the rats and I deeply respected him for that. He

was quite tame. We used to step over him, and at our house " watch out for the

snake. " meant " don't step on Henry, " not " don't get bitten. " After we cleaned

out the garage his food supply was gone, he left and one day the neighbors said,

" I just killed a five foot rat snake. " Such a harmless,beneficial creature who

had become too trusting of Humans! What a shame!Freud and his ghost have done

enormous damage to me and my family. I had to live with a brain sick mother my

whole life because of the snickering and the moral judgment and the inexcusable

ignorance and neglect afforded her and me by doctors and others. Because of this

I have no tolerance for the opinion any physical health problem is mental or

curable by any kind of so called psychotherapy. That is especially true for ones

that even main stream medicine knows cause mental problems not the other way

around. As Christ said, " The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. " Yes

anxiety can be treated with desensitizing therapy, and that will take the strain

off your adrenals, IF that is all the source of your stress was. Most of us have

other reasons for being stressed: Heavy metal poisoning for instance. Did I

mention I also have that?This mickel therapy as a treatment for thyroid problems

sounds like Oprah's idea, " spend a month relaxing on a tropical island and you

will be just fine. " Yeah, sure. I've spent almost 20 years mostly relaxing in

Florida since I can't work, and it has not cured me. I suspect my Father's

reasons for retiring to Florida had something to do with his own thyroid

problems which I only found out about after he died and I found his medical

records. I know he wasn't taking anything for it. Probably thought he could

psyche himself out of it like I was supposed to do with the sleep apnea and

allergies. Hensley <>< 8-)[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

[Guest guest]

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Could you send me more details about Mickel Therapy? I have located a therapist

a few miles from here. I understand it is good for IBS, which I have in addition

to Hashi.

I am considering it. It is also suppose to reset the Hypothalmus, is this

correct? Not sure if

this discussion is appropriate for NTH. You may back channel me if you would

like to.

Frannie

To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS@...:

mkoontz@...: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:52:54 +0000Subject: Re:

Mickel therapy worthless for thyroid

I don't believe I have ever seen where Mickel Therapy claim to cure your

thyroid. If a person has Hashis, like I do, the thyroid is probably in pretty

poor shape and would not regenerate.I am currently doing Mickel Therapy and they

have never told me that I will be able to go off of Armour or HC. K> >

Mickel therapy worthless for thyroid

[Guest guest]

Hi Frannie,

I will email you privately with info.

K

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> Could you send me more details about Mickel Therapy? I have located

a therapist

> a few miles from here. I understand it is good for IBS, which I

have in addition to Hashi.

> I am considering it. It is also suppose to reset the Hypothalmus,

is this correct? Not sure if

> this discussion is appropriate for NTH. You may back channel me if

you would like to.

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> Frannie

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[Guest guest]

I highly recommend it. Dr. Mickel himself had IBS for years which completely

resolved with his own therapy.

Re: Mickel therapy worthless for thyroid

Hi Frannie,

I will email you privately with info.

K

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> Could you send me more details about Mickel Therapy? I have located

a therapist

> a few miles from here. I understand it is good for IBS, which I

have in addition to Hashi.

> I am considering it. It is also suppose to reset the Hypothalmus,

is this correct? Not sure if

> this discussion is appropriate for NTH. You may back channel me if

you would like to.

>

> Frannie

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