Re: Got a Reverse T3 test -- now what?

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Well that high an RT3 states thta oyu need to go on ALL T3 for a while

at least 3 months ot clear it out as it will clog the receptos so the

real T3 can;t get toi the cells. I would star t by swapping out each

grain of armour (1 per week) with 25mcg T3. I would holf the HC where it

is as you will need adrenla support in olace as oyu do this. But the

reason your adrenals can;t hold a steady temp is the RT3 is stressing

your body badly. It is simply k4eeping your thyroid hormoes the active

ones form being able to work.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Val.

OK,then where should things go after the 3-month period? Where should

I ideally end up with this -- on a lesser dose of Armour? And when I

get to that point will I eventually be able to wean myself of the HC?

Thanks,

>

> Well that high an RT3 states thta oyu need to go on ALL T3 for a

while

> at least 3 months ot clear it out as it will clog the receptos so

the

> real T3 can;t get toi the cells. I would star t by swapping out

each

> grain of armour (1 per week) with 25mcg T3. I would holf the HC

where it

> is as you will need adrenla support in olace as oyu do this. But

the

> reason your adrenals can;t hold a steady temp is the RT3 is

stressing

> your body badly. It is simply k4eeping your thyroid hormoes the

active

> ones form being able to work.

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[Guest guest]

Some rumors have it that once ytou make high RT3 you will go bakc to

that problems when you return to meds containing T4 I dontl buy this

100%. I think you need ot look at what caused it. Low or high cortisll

BOTH I believe do cause it and correcting the cortisll issues while on

T3 shoudl leave you in good shape to return to a lower dose of Armoru

and feel good on it. THEN gettign off HC would be the next goal.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks again, Val. Instead of trying to pick this topic up months down

the line, I may as well ask now: After the 3 months of T3 treatment,

how should I proceed to move back to Armour -- begin substituting the

Armour for T3 as I in reverse? And what level of Armour should I begin

going back to as I come back over from T3?

Thanks,

Colford

>

> Some rumors have it that once ytou make high RT3 you will go bakc to

> that problems when you return to meds containing T4 I dontl buy this

> 100%. I think you need ot look at what caused it. Low or high

cortisll

> BOTH I believe do cause it and correcting the cortisll issues while

on

> T3 shoudl leave you in good shape to return to a lower dose of Armoru

> and feel good on it. THEN gettign off HC would be the next goal.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks again, Val. Instead of trying to pick this topic up months down

the line, I may as well ask now: After the 3 months of T3 treatment,

how should I proceed to move back to Armour -- begin substituting the

Armour for T3 as I in reverse? And what level of Armour should I begin

going back to as I come back over from T3?

Thanks,

Colford

>

> Some rumors have it that once ytou make high RT3 you will go bakc to

> that problems when you return to meds containing T4 I dontl buy this

> 100%. I think you need ot look at what caused it. Low or high

cortisll

> BOTH I believe do cause it and correcting the cortisll issues while

on

> T3 shoudl leave you in good shape to return to a lower dose of Armoru

> and feel good on it. THEN gettign off HC would be the next goal.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>>Thanks again, Val. Instead of trying to pick this topic up months down

the line, I may as well ask now: After the 3 months of T3 treatment,

how should I proceed to move back to Armour -- begin substituting the

Armour for T3 as I in reverse? And what level of Armour should I begin

going back to as I come back over from T3?<<

I do nto think it will work in reverse. For one thing you have to have tyroid

support while the T4 builds up in your system agian unless you wan to go quite

hypo in the process which none of us does. As I ahve not done this YET, but I am

thinking of it lately but want to get saliva labs done first, I would say you

can guage where you will need ot be on Armoru from old dosages but then oyu may

need much less when the RT3 is cleared out so I guess I would swap out the first

75mcg for 3 grains(over a 3 week speriod) then hold for a couple weeks to see

what needs to be done from there. You can use temps pretty accurately for

adjusting it jhust takes alot longer with Armoru as you have to wait for the

conversion from the T4 to build up.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks much, Val

Your explaination is very clear and makes sense. But I am wondering

if you have a thought about how I might have missed my armour " sweet

spot " as you call it, as I was inititally slowly moving up my

dosage. This concerns me because if I couldn't see it the first

time, I may well repeat it after going through this whole process to

clear the RT3 out.

I was taking my temp averages all along, and never raised my dosage

for at least a month after the last one, usually when my averages

started slipping down again after initially boosting up to the

desired range after the next Armour increase. That was the cycle

that eventually got me to 5 grains (started to do 51/2 when you told

me about the RT3 test), and where I am now. So I guess my question

is what do you think went wrong, and how can I prevent this from

happening again?

Thank you for your time, as always.

Colford

>

> >>Thanks again, Val. Instead of trying to pick this topic up

months down

> the line, I may as well ask now: After the 3 months of T3

treatment,

> how should I proceed to move back to Armour -- begin substituting

the

> Armour for T3 as I in reverse? And what level of Armour should I

begin

> going back to as I come back over from T3?<<

>

> I do nto think it will work in reverse. For one thing you have to

have tyroid support while the T4 builds up in your system agian

unless you wan to go quite hypo in the process which none of us does.

As I ahve not done this YET, but I am thinking of it lately but want

to get saliva labs done first, I would say you can guage where you

will need ot be on Armoru from old dosages but then oyu may need much

less when the RT3 is cleared out so I guess I would swap out the

first 75mcg for 3 grains(over a 3 week speriod) then hold for a

couple weeks to see what needs to be done from there. You can use

temps pretty accurately for adjusting it jhust takes alot longer with

Armoru as you have to wait for the conversion from the T4 to build

up.

>

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[Guest guest]

Val,

My DD has been trying to get off of the T3 & back on Armour for 10

weeks now. She was on 150mcg of T3 & now after 10 weeks she is still

on 150mcg T3 & 6gr of Armour. It is like the Armour does not affect

her at all.

I swapped out 50mcg of T3 for 6gr of Armour 2 weeks ago. I was on

150mcg of T3 at the time. I am still on 100-125mcg of T3 & 6gr of Armour.

My point is that this is not an easy process. I keep lowering the T3

then have to go back up because of hypo symptoms. I am either hypo or

hyper there is no in between. I hope that a few weeks down the road

things will even out.

Gale

>

> >>Thanks again, Val. Instead of trying to pick this topic up months

down

> the line, I may as well ask now: After the 3 months of T3 treatment,

> how should I proceed to move back to Armour -- begin substituting the

> Armour for T3 as I in reverse? And what level of Armour should I begin

> going back to as I come back over from T3?<<

>

> I do nto think it will work in reverse. For one thing you have to

have tyroid support while the T4 builds up in your system agian unless

you wan to go quite hypo in the process which none of us does. As I

ahve not done this YET, but I am thinking of it lately but want to get

saliva labs done first, I would say you can guage where you will need

ot be on Armoru from old dosages but then oyu may need much less when

the RT3 is cleared out so I guess I would swap out the first 75mcg for

3 grains(over a 3 week speriod) then hold for a couple weeks to see

what needs to be done from there. You can use temps pretty accurately

for adjusting it jhust takes alot longer with Armoru as you have to

wait for the conversion from the T4 to build up.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>>I was taking my temp averages all along, and never raised my dosage

for at least a month after the last one, usually when my averages

started slipping down again after initially boosting up to the

desired range after the next Armour increase. That was the cycle

that eventually got me to 5 grains (started to do 51/2 when you told

me about the RT3 test), and where I am now. So I guess my question

is what do you think went wrong, and how can I prevent this from

happening again?<<

It is hard to say exactly what went wrong, btu I woudl presume possibly your

cortisol levels changed while doing this ramping up wiht Armour. If they went a

tad high when you neared optimal, which they can easily do as the adrenals catch

up when you are no longer hypo, HIGH cortisll blocks conversion of T4 ot T3 and

would create a dip in temps looking for all the world like you needed more

Armour. This would be my best guess.

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[Guest guest]

Gale I read wind of an Armoru recall... I am wondering are you both

working out of the same bottle? Perhaps that could explain this? That or

the RT3 is just coming back the minute oyu add in T4 again, which is sad

as I had heard that can happen though really it does nto make sense if

you have releived the cause of it.

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[Guest guest]

Val,

Actually I just said Armour for the benefit of others on the board.

We are both on Thyroid-S. I am really afraid that like you said that

the RT3 has come back for her.

I am afraid that the best way to switch back may be to stop the T3

completely & ramp up on Armour or Thyroid-S as if you are stopping a

T4 med. That would be miserable but it might help prevent the RT3

from returning immediately.

My daughter is planning to get tested in Jan. Is there any place that

she could test FT3, FT4 & RT3? She is planning to do a saliva test

but the other may be a better investment.

Gale

>

> Gale I read wind of an Armoru recall... I am wondering are you both

> working out of the same bottle? Perhaps that could explain this?

That or

> the RT3 is just coming back the minute oyu add in T4 again, which is

sad

> as I had heard that can happen though really it does nto make sense if

> you have releived the cause of it.

>

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