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If absorption is that low how did I get to stable temps on HC cream?

And why can I not tell much (if any) difference whether I apply cream

(as usual) or take it as a pill (occasionally). I've been trying hard to

notice if I feel any difference between a pill and the cream, and so far

I can't tell. Maybe I'm just weird?

> 500g of hydrocortisone is used

> per week, sufficient steroid may be absorbed through the skin to result in

> adrenal gland suppression and/or eventually Cushing's syndrome.

Since 500g of HC equals 500,000 mg I should just guess it would cause

Cushing's. Since I seem to absorb the same or very close to the same mg

from cream as from an equal dose in pill form, it would likely kill me.

sol

MsSquarepants wrote:

> So, if this rate of absorption is accurate, I don't think HC cream could

> work because you would need tons to mimic the oral dose. Thoughts?

>

> Skin absorption of topical steroids

> http://dermnetnz.org/treatments/topical-steroids.html

> Steroids are absorbed at different rates from different parts of the body. A

> steroid that works on the face may not work on the palm. But a potent

> steroid may cause side effects on the face. For example:

>

> a.. Forearm absorbs 1%

> b.. Armpit absorbs 4%

> c.. Face absorbs 7%

> d.. Eyelids and genitals absorb 30%

> e.. Palm absorbs 0.1%

> f.. Sole absorbs 0.05%

>

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I don't know. That is why I wanted others opinions because I just started to

substitute cream but now I am worried and think I should just go to the full

HC orally to be sure.

Cheri

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If absorption is that low how did I get to stable temps on HC cream?

And why can I not tell much (if any) difference whether I apply cream

(as usual) or take it as a pill (occasionally). I've been trying hard to

notice if I feel any difference between a pill and the cream, and so far

I can't tell. Maybe I'm just weird?

> 500g of hydrocortisone is used

> per week, sufficient steroid may be absorbed through the skin to result

in

> adrenal gland suppression and/or eventually Cushing's syndrome.

Since 500g of HC equals 500,000 mg I should just guess it would cause

Cushing's. Since I seem to absorb the same or very close to the same mg

from cream as from an equal dose in pill form, it would likely kill me.

sol

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Cheri,

How you found that info is a miracale...WOW. I think there are

different strengths available in a cortisol cream. I might be wrong,

but I could swear I had 5% cream--prescription. And I think they make

suppositories in different strenths but my dr. said those are weaker

than taking HC--maybe not if you apply them several times a day.

Tasia

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Don';t ya think this is kind of contradictory? First they tell you that

1% is absorbed then they tell you you can give yourself Cushings from

it? Sorry but topical creams are absorbed just as well as oral.

Sometimes better which is why we are seeing more and more hormones

dispenssed as topical creams and gels.

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>>I was on 8 pallets of isocort. Than I had some skin eruptions at soles of my

feet. Doctor presc. me 1% HC cream. Doc told me there would not be much

absorbtion. I used it for at least 2 months continually at a dosage of about 1/4

tea spoon twice a day.This makes about 20 mg additional HC acc. to Val's info.

Would you think this would have suppressed my adrenals and caused my

worsening?<<

O think ti should have been weaned down from! I do nto fel liek 20 or in most

folks 30MG HC is a dose that will cause permanent supression,but it is certianly

enough to need ot wean carefully from.

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>>I don't know. That is why I wanted others opinions because I just started to

substitute cream but now I am worried and think I should just go to the full

HC orally to be sure.

Cheri>>

Cheri:

I had asked several pharmacists and a vet about the HC cream and was told it

would take humongous amounts of cream to equal the pill form. But after

discussing it with Val, I thought I'd try the cream for myself. Well to my

surprise, I found that the cream actually works BETTER than the pill form for

me!! I notice my temps go up within a half hour after using the cream, and I

don't have to be concerned about stomach issues (I had a scope done in the

summer showing erosion in my stomach from the HC pills). So I am now switching

over to using 100% HC cream gradually. That is my experience.

Dove Rose

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Which cream are you using? Which brand? I tried Cortaid because it contained

the least amount of toxic additives but it doesn't seem to be doing it for

me.

Cheri

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From: On Behalf Of Dove Rose

I had asked several pharmacists and a vet about the HC cream and was told

it would take humongous amounts of cream to equal the pill form. But after

discussing it with Val, I thought I'd try the cream for myself. Well to my

surprise, I found that the cream actually works BETTER than the pill form

for me!! I notice my temps go up within a half hour after using the cream,

and I don't have to be concerned about stomach issues (I had a scope done in

the summer showing erosion in my stomach from the HC pills). So I am now

switching over to using 100% HC cream gradually. That is my experience.

Dove Rose

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>>Which cream are you using? Which brand? I tried Cortaid because it contained

the least amount of toxic additives but it doesn't seem to be doing it for

me.

Cheri>>

I am just using a generic brand from Wal-Mart. It just says 1% hydrocortisone

cream on the label. I don't know about the other ingredients (and am really not

too happy about them), but it is better than any potential damage to my stomach

from the pills. It didn't seem to work for me the first few times I used it,

then after about three days, it started to work. Maybe it needs to build up???

Dove Rose

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I like the WalGreen brand.

Delores

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> >>Which cream are you using? Which brand? I tried Cortaid because it

contained

> the least amount of toxic additives but it doesn't seem to be doing it for

> me.

> Cheri>>

>

> I am just using a generic brand from Wal-Mart. It just says 1%

hydrocortisone cream on the label. I don't know about the other ingredients

(and am really not too happy about them), but it is better than any

potential damage to my stomach from the pills. It didn't seem to work for me

the first few times I used it, then after about three days, it started to

work. Maybe it needs to build up???

>

> Dove Rose

>

>

>

>

>

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Maybe I just need to use it longer. I will continue as it will take awhile

for me to get the pills anyway.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

From: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

[mailto:NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ]On Behalf Of Dove

Rose

I am just using a generic brand from Wal-Mart. It just says 1%

hydrocortisone cream on the label. I don't know about the other ingredients

(and am really not too happy about them), but it is better than any

potential damage to my stomach from the pills. It didn't seem to work for me

the first few times I used it, then after about three days, it started to

work. Maybe it needs to build up???

Dove Rose

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I loathe and despise Walmart, and hate to get anything there. But I have

to say, their Equate brand of 1% HC cream is the one I like best so far,

and it is the cheapest, too.

Everything is a trade off. So I don't worry about the inactive

ingredients, though I don't like them either. I would like even less to

have bacteria contaminated HC cream.

sol

Dove Rose wrote:

> I am just using a generic brand from Wal-Mart. It just says 1% hydrocortisone

cream on the label. I don't know about the other ingredients (and am really not

too happy about them), but it is better than any potential damage to my stomach

from the pills.

>

>

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HI Dove,

That is good news. When I last saw my last doctor, he wanted me to take the HC

cream but refused to prescribe the HC in pill form. I guess he thought the pill

form was not the same as the cream. He won't even treat me anymore. So, I have

to self-medicate my thyroid and HC meds. Since the cream is the same,I think I

will switch over to the OTC HC cream. What brand do you take?

Pamela

Dove Rose wrote:

Cheri:

I had asked several pharmacists and a vet about the HC cream and was told it

would take humongous amounts of cream to equal the pill form. But after

discussing it with Val, I thought I'd try the cream for myself. Well to my

surprise, I found that the cream actually works BETTER than the pill form for

me!! I notice my temps go up within a half hour after using the cream, and I

don't have to be concerned about stomach issues (I had a scope done in the

summer showing erosion in my stomach from the HC pills). So I am now switching

over to using 100% HC cream gradually. That is my experience.

Dove Rose

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>>Since the cream is the same,I think I will switch over to the OTC HC cream.

What brand do you take?

Pamela>>

Pamela:

I just use a generic store brand, whatever is cheapest! It works! :)

Dove Rose

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~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~

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Thanks, Dove. How much cream replaces a 5 mg does of HC?

Pamela

Dove Rose wrote:

>>Since the cream is the same,I think I will switch over to the OTC HC

cream. What brand do you take?

Pamela>>

Pamela:

I just use a generic store brand, whatever is cheapest! It works! :)

Dove Rose

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~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~

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5mg of HC cream equals 5mg of HC. Using 1 percent HC cream that would be

1/8 of a tsp approx. or 1/2 gram.

Delores

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> Thanks, Dove. How much cream replaces a 5 mg does of HC?

>

> Pamela

>

> Dove Rose wrote:

> >>Since the cream is the same,I think I will switch over to the

OTC HC cream. What brand do you take?

>

> Pamela>>

>

> Pamela:

>

> I just use a generic store brand, whatever is cheapest! It works! :)

>

> Dove Rose

> ----------

> My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16)

> ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~

>

>

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Thank you, Delores. Does anybody know if HC is an anti-inflammatory?

Pamela

Delores Worley wrote:

5mg of HC cream equals 5mg of HC. Using 1 percent HC cream that would

be

1/8 of a tsp approx. or 1/2 gram.

Delores

Re: Re: HC Cream info I found

> Thanks, Dove. How much cream replaces a 5 mg does of HC?

>

> Pamela

>

> Dove Rose wrote:

> >>Since the cream is the same,I think I will switch over to the

OTC HC cream. What brand do you take?

>

> Pamela>>

>

> Pamela:

>

> I just use a generic store brand, whatever is cheapest! It works! :)

>

> Dove Rose

> ----------

> My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16)

> ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~

>

>

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Yes, it is.

Delores

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>

> > Thanks, Dove. How much cream replaces a 5 mg does of HC?

> >

> > Pamela

> >

> > Dove Rose wrote:

> > >>Since the cream is the same,I think I will switch over to the

> OTC HC cream. What brand do you take?

> >

> > Pamela>>

> >

> > Pamela:

> >

> > I just use a generic store brand, whatever is cheapest! It works! :)

> >

> > Dove Rose

> > ----------

> > My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16)

> > ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~

> >

> >

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Well, they use high doses for autoimmune diseases so I guess it must be an

anti-inflammatory.

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> Thanks, Dove. How much cream replaces a 5 mg does of HC?

>

> Pamela

>

> Dove Rose wrote:

> >>Since the cream is the same,I think I will switch over to the

OTC HC cream. What brand do you take?

>

> Pamela>>

>

> Pamela:

>

> I just use a generic store brand, whatever is cheapest! It works! :)

>

> Dove Rose

> ----------

> My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16)

> ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~

>

>

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Thanks, Val. I still can't get over my EX doctor getting upset with me for

asking him to prescribe HC in the pill form but precribed the cream w/o me even

asking for it (I had a slight reddnes around my nose that he said the cream

would help.) Does this make sense to anybody??

Pamela

wrote:

>>Thank you, Delores. Does anybody know if HC is an

anti-inflammatory?<<

Absolutely! It si the body's antiinflammatory hormone, and is often prescribed

for inflammation such as arthritis.

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I was on 8 pallets of isocort. Than I had some skin eruptions at soles of my

feet. Doctor presc. me 1% HC cream. Doc told me there would not be much

absorbtion. I used it for at least 2 months continually at a dosage of about 1/4

tea spoon twice a day.This makes about 20 mg additional HC acc. to Val's info.

Would you think this would have suppressed my adrenals and caused my worsening?

bw

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HC Cream info I found

So, if this rate of absorption is accurate, I don't think HC cream could

work because you would need tons to mimic the oral dose. Thoughts?

Skin absorption of topical steroids

http://dermnetnz.org/treatments/topical-steroids.html

Steroids are absorbed at different rates from different parts of the body. A

steroid that works on the face may not work on the palm. But a potent

steroid may cause side effects on the face. For example:

a.. Forearm absorbs 1%

b.. Armpit absorbs 4%

c.. Face absorbs 7%

d.. Eyelids and genitals absorb 30%

e.. Palm absorbs 0.1%

f.. Sole absorbs 0.05%

Side effects of topical steroids

Internal side effects

If more than 50g of clobetasol propionate, or 500g of hydrocortisone is used

per week, sufficient steroid may be absorbed through the skin to result in

adrenal gland suppression and/or eventually Cushing's syndrome.

a.. Adrenal Gland Suppression.

Topical steroids can suppress the production of natural steroids, which

are essential for healthy living. Stopping the steroids suddenly may then

result in illness.

b.. Cushing's Syndrome If large amounts of steroid are absorbed through

the skin, fluid retention, raised blood pressure, diabetes etc. may result.

Skin side effects

Local side effects of topical steroids include:

a.. Skin thinning (atrophy) and stretch marks (striae).

b.. Easy bruising and tearing of the skin.

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