Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 There is always the possibility you need an abnormally low amoutn of cortisol. But what symptoms oyu DID have are they any better wiht cortiosl replacement? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 >There is always the possibility you need an abnormally low amoutn of >cortisol. But what symptoms oyu DID have are they any better wiht >cortiosl replacement? Good question. I guess I have more energy first thing in the morning and during the day. But man am I crabby! About a week ago I noticed that I was doing exceptionally well with my kids lately; lots of patience, lots of love. The past few nights I've been awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Have you tried correcting th low thyroid? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 >Have you tried correcting th low thyroid? No. All the wisdom says to address adrenals first, as you well know! When I was first diagnosed I was not in such good shape but I seemed to adapt. My labs have been more or less the same 5 times running but I feel sort of OK. I just want my full get-up-and-go energy back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I owuld do a trial of Armour. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 >I owuld do a trial of Armour. Wow. I don't have any and cannot get it here. I'll have to look into this and maybe go off the cortisol for awhile. Full disclosure - I have been taking Lugol's iodine for a few weeks also. No affect that I noticed before this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Are your temps stable yet? What are they? Barb > > >Have you tried correcting th low thyroid? > > No. All the wisdom says to address adrenals first, as you well know! When I > was first diagnosed I was not in such good shape but I seemed to adapt. My > labs have been more or less the same 5 times running but I feel sort of OK. > I just want my full get-up-and-go energy back. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 >Are your temps stable yet? What are they? Haven't been charting yet. I guess I need to get to it. I have never done anything re thyroid so I'm on a steep learning curve. If I'm going to order something online for international shipment to Nepal, what do I want to order? Thanks, Ellie <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=17229692/grpspId=1709251082/msgI d=33434/stime=1197557646/nc1=4763765/nc2=5008807/nc3=4718982> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I think the process is first to chart temps taken three times a day, 3 hours after waking and averaging. Once they consistently are within .2 degrees, then you can safely say your adrenals are working well and focus on thyroid. You don't want to quit cortisol now, nor do you want to start thyroid if your adrenals are not steady. This is what Val has been educating us on. Your snapping at the kids could still be from low cortisol, or a bad cortisol rhythm. Cheri RE: irritable on cortisol >Are your temps stable yet? What are they? Haven't been charting yet. I guess I need to get to it. I have never done anything re thyroid so I'm on a steep learning curve. If I'm going to order something online for international shipment to Nepal, what do I want to order? Thanks, Ellie . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 >I think the process is first to chart temps taken three times a day, 3 hours >after waking and averaging. >Once they consistently are within .2 degrees, then you can safely say your >adrenals are working well and focus on thyroid. >You don't want to quit cortisol now, nor do you want to start thyroid if >your adrenals are not steady. Yes, I know. I've been waiting since July of 2005 to begin treating my thyroid but my adrenals never got better. Yet, I do not seem like I am in stage 7. My nurse practitioner is, frankly, astonished and doesn't know what to make of it. I'm not just more irritable. I am having hot flushes (not " flashes " ) and am buzzy, for lack of a better word. I guess I'll begin monitoring my temps. Thanks for your input. Ellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Ellie, Do you think the iodine could have anything to do with it? Cheri RE: irritable on cortisol >I think the process is first to chart temps taken three times a day, 3 hours >after waking and averaging. >Once they consistently are within .2 degrees, then you can safely say your >adrenals are working well and focus on thyroid. >You don't want to quit cortisol now, nor do you want to start thyroid if >your adrenals are not steady. Yes, I know. I've been waiting since July of 2005 to begin treating my thyroid but my adrenals never got better. Yet, I do not seem like I am in stage 7. My nurse practitioner is, frankly, astonished and doesn't know what to make of it. I'm not just more irritable. I am having hot flushes (not " flashes " ) and am buzzy, for lack of a better word. I guess I'll begin monitoring my temps. Thanks for your input. Ellie . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Iodine can influence sex hormones. I was able to quit taking progesterone after starting Iodoral. I was getting very cranky. Iodine helps to level out the hormones. I would much rather take minerals than hormones. Linn > > Ellie, > Do you think the iodine could have anything to do with it? > Cheri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Maybe it is the elevated testerone making you crabby? Gale > > >There is always the possibility you need an abnormally low amoutn of > >cortisol. But what symptoms oyu DID have are they any better wiht > >cortiosl replacement? > > Good question. I guess I have more energy first thing in the morning and > during the day. But man am I crabby! About a week ago I noticed that I was > doing exceptionally well with my kids lately; lots of patience, lots of > love. The past few nights I've been awful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Multi-hour walks, running a business and raising two kids on your own? I would tend to question the Stage 7 diagnosis too. Here's a question: where did you get your labs done? You're in Nepal, right? Did you mail the saliva to the US? Do you know how long it was in transit? Maybe it took awhile to get there and the cortisol in your saliva samples degraded, giving you a lower reading? Just shooting out some ideas. I know I'm not Stage 7, but I certainly couldn't do all you do! That's why some temperature data would be really helpful. Val will give you sources when you're ready to order. Barb <Yet, I function relatively normally. I sleep more than most but have enough energy to go on multi-hour walks, run a business and raise 2 kids on my own. > I do not seem like I am in > stage 7. My nurse practitioner is, frankly, astonished and doesn't know what > to make of it. > > I'm not just more irritable. I am having hot flushes (not " flashes " ) and am > buzzy, for lack of a better word. > > I guess I'll begin monitoring my temps. Thanks for your input. > > Ellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Ellie Skeele wrote: > I'm dosing 7.5mg at 6:30am, 5mg at > 10:30am and 2.5mg at 2:30. Did you ramp up to that using the HC dosing schedule or did you start out at that dose? sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Barb wrote: > Multi-hour walks, running a business and raising two kids on your > own? I would tend to question the Stage 7 diagnosis too. Here's a > I agree with Barb, I question that stage 7 too. I'm stage 7, and if I get the animals fed, litterboxes changed, get to the grocery store, or cook dinner, or do one load of laundry or a little vacuuming, that is my day, and I certainly usually cannot do all of those in one day. I can't walk 15 minutes, or I'd be back to using my canes for a few days (done it, in fact). sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 We musn't forget that a listed side effect of HC is mood changes/irritability, etc. Som of us are more susceptible to this. e.g. I know that these steroids make me a bit nutty, even though I am lacking in them. We had a doctor at the alternative med facility I go to that treats " chronic fatigue " with cortef and armour and he wouldn't give it to this woman who was desperately sick because she told him she was bipolar. I guess he feared that this could cause exaggerated mood swings in an already susceptible person. Re: irritable on cortisol There is always the possibility you need an abnormally low amoutn of cortisol. But what symptoms oyu DID have are they any better wiht cortiosl replacement? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 >>he wouldn't give it to this woman who was desperately sick because she told him she was bipolar. I guess he feared that this could cause exaggerated mood swings in an already susceptible person.<< BUT this is typical DOCTOR ignorance! Bipolar can be caused solely by hyopthyroidism adn you cannot treat the thyroid properly wiht low cortiosl. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 You are so RIGHT AGAIN Val. I've read all about the thyroid and bipolar in Dr. Arem's book " The thyroid solution " Re: irritable on cortisol >>he wouldn't give it to this woman who was desperately sick because she told him she was bipolar. I guess he feared that this could cause exaggerated mood swings in an already susceptible person.<< BUT this is typical DOCTOR ignorance! Bipolar can be caused solely by hyopthyroidism adn you cannot treat the thyroid properly wiht low cortiosl. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Re: irritable on cortisol Iodine can influence sex hormones. I was able to quit taking progesterone after starting Iodoral. I was getting very cranky. Iodine helps to level out the hormones. I would much rather take minerals than hormones. Linn > > Ellie, > Do you think the iodine could have anything to do with it? > Cheri > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Linn, if I may ask, how do you dose the Iodoral and at what times. My ND had me taking it along with Naturethyroid but tI was still having hyper symptoms ( or maybe just high and low cortisols) so I haven't taken it for a while. Many thanks. Pat Re: irritable on cortisol Iodine can influence sex hormones. I was able to quit taking progesterone after starting Iodoral. I was getting very cranky. Iodine helps to level out the hormones. I would much rather take minerals than hormones. Linn > > Ellie, > Do you think the iodine could have anything to do with it? > Cheri > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I just raised to 30 mg 2 days ago, and also just raised my T3 to 56.25 My BP is still falling on standing, and my temps are not stable, but the unstable temps happen for a few days every time I raise T3 so that should level out again soon. The first day on 30 mg, my BP actually did rise on standing, so though it is falling again, that should mean (I hope) that I'm getting close to a my ideal dose. sol yildiz wrote: > Sol > > I am exactly in the same situation. Can not cook and go to the grocery store in the same day.I am on 22.5 mg isocort at this moment. how much are you taking? > bw > Nil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Pat, I take it all in one dose in the morning at breakfast. (18.75 mgs, 1 1/2 tabs per day). Linn > > Linn, if I may ask, how do you dose the Iodoral and at what times. My ND had me taking it along with Naturethyroid but tI was still having hyper symptoms ( or maybe just high and low cortisols) so I haven't taken it for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I appreciate your Iodoral answer, Linn, I have some left and contemplating whether I might try some later. Thank's Pat Re: irritable on cortisol Pat, I take it all in one dose in the morning at breakfast. (18.75 mgs, 1 1/2 tabs per day). Linn > > Linn, if I may ask, how do you dose the Iodoral and at what times. My ND had me taking it along with Naturethyroid but tI was still having hyper symptoms ( or maybe just high and low cortisols) so I haven't taken it for a while. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 , My Pdoc and some of my fibromylagia support group can not take even low steroids becasue it casues mood issues.My pdoc was concerned only with the Pred. as it is pretty strong, especially at 50 mg. it can make one feel up and then when off can cause major low mood. For me I am on two medications for depression, today I got some of my serum tests back and it shows very low thyroid and hormones. I do feel even when I was taking HC , a tiny dose ,as my doc was trying to help me after the er put me on 5 days of 50mg. Pred. and then bam off that I felt more irratible. I usually like that only for the most part a week for my peroid. I shall see how I will precede after I do the salivia testing. I do knowmy pdoc will want my blood serum taken more often if I do eventually go on Armour and HC. It is liking walking on a tight rope when on two AD meds and then trying to wean down on them and to get on a close emough dosegae of the HC and armour so I will not feel so low as I did years ago when I went to the ER becaue I was really felt like nothing mattered and they checked me out and then said I can go home because I did not have a plan to kill myself. Thank goodness my aunt and uncle came to the Er adnd at that time I did not live in same state as my mom and dad , my dad go on the next flight he could ge on and the next day he got me ot a good pdoc. Now I do believe is was low thyroid and my adrenals then were giving out not as low as they are now. Herbs, vitamins, medications it is all a balancing act, at least for me anyways. Hope you are feeling better. a Gikas wrote: We musn't forget that a listed side effect of HC is mood changes/irritability, etc. Som of us are more susceptible to this. e.g. I know that these steroids make me a bit nutty, even though I am lacking in them. We had a doctor at the alternative med facility I go to that treats " chronic fatigue " with cortef and armour and he wouldn't give it to this woman who was desperately sick because she told him she was bipolar. I guess he feared that this could cause exaggerated mood swings in an already susceptible person. Re: irritable on cortisol There is always the possibility you need an abnormally low amoutn of cortisol. But what symptoms oyu DID have are they any better wiht cortiosl replacement? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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