Re: For the Newbies........One Golden Shot.....READ

[Guest guest]

KC,

I don't think it's the experience of the 700+ members of this list that most people lose quickly. Many people will have a large induction loss. Many, but not all. Then the rate of loss slows. I lost about 40 pounds on Atkins and it took me the better part of 9 months to do it.

So I think the term "most" is not accurate as applied to the experience of this group of people congregated here.

Terry168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> All I have to say to your posting is:

>

> AMEN! Preach it, Sister!

>

>

> Terry

> 168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

Thank you, sweetie! I know I ruffled a few feathers, but I can't help but

feel the way I do. As I've said several times before, if I'd gotten a

message like the one I sent today even last year, I'd've taken exception

to it. I would have gotten defensive, and I probably would have

disapeared for a while. But then I would have also gone back to my

comfort foods and the weight would have begun to pile on again.

Like many others on this list, I've tried ALL sorts of different things.

I too resorted to bulemia (which I now know isn't as much a food issue as

one of control). I took the pills, I exercised obsessively, I ate next to

nothing... And I even had some success with each of those methods. But in

the long run, they didn't work because I wasn't ready. Sure, I was ready

to not be fat, but it takes much more than that! And I wasn't ready for

all those extras yet. For those extras, I had to face parts of me that I

just wasn't ready to deal with. This time around though, I flipped that

magic little switch, and boy, did it make ALL the difference! It's such a

liberating feeling!

So all I can say to the people who are " depressed " by the " Golden Shot "

message or my response to those who were depressed by it is this. If this

is the time that you're able to flip the switch, then CONGRATULATIONS! It

feels great! If this isn't the time though, that's OK too. But I assure

you that later on when you are ready to flip the switch, you'll wonder why

you thought my words were so harsh. You'll get a whole new perspective on

things just like I did, and you'll have great success! In the interim, I

won't take it personally.

--

in Indy

(262.5)253.5/229/150

3/26/01

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that useful bit of knowledge. In my

experience, in the real world, most of the people I

know have lost weight very quickly. The only person I

know who has not lost as quickly is my doctor(who put

me on the diet).

--- " Terry L. Ross " wrote:

> KC,

>

> I don't think it's the experience of the 700+

> members of this list that most people lose quickly.

> Many people will have a large induction loss. Many,

> but not all. Then the rate of loss slows. I lost

> about 40 pounds on Atkins and it took me the better

> part of 9 months to do it.

>

> So I think the term " most " is not accurate as

> applied to the experience of this group of people

> congregated here.

>

>

> Terry

> 168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

>

> Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

>

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[Guest guest]

Hmmm... it's been my experience in the real world that most of the people I

know have hair that grows really fast... while I really take good care of

mine and struggle to get it past my shoulders. It's also my experience in

the real world that most of the people I know have gorgeous teeth... while

mine are terribly far from perfect. It's also my experience in the real

world that most of the people I know have nice petite sized feet... while I

have these size 9's that terribly gargantuan when I look down.

But then again, I'm probably wrong. Could it be just a matter of skewed

perspective insofar as seeing in others what I *wish* to see in me?

-Marlena

214.5/163.8/150

>

>Reply-To: Atkins_Support_List

>To: Atkins_Support_List

>Subject: Re: For the Newbies........One Golden Shot.....READ

>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Thanks for that useful bit of knowledge. In my

>experience, in the real world, most of the people I

>know have lost weight very quickly. The only person I

>know who has not lost as quickly is my doctor(who put

>me on the diet).

>--- " Terry L. Ross " wrote:

> > KC,

> >

> > I don't think it's the experience of the 700+

> > members of this list that most people lose quickly.

> > Many people will have a large induction loss. Many,

> > but not all. Then the rate of loss slows. I lost

> > about 40 pounds on Atkins and it took me the better

> > part of 9 months to do it.

> >

> > So I think the term " most " is not accurate as

> > applied to the experience of this group of people

> > congregated here.

> >

> >

> > Terry

> > 168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

> >

> > Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

> >

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You are deep Marlena!

Just for reference, my hair does grow really fast, my teeth suck because I

have a deep phobia about dentists, and I too have size 9's (although my mom

has always said I have very pretty feet).

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

Have you found it diminishing on this WOE? When I figure it out, I

will package it and sell it. However, everyone on this list gets a

free copy!

SuzanneG

> Suzanne, can you teach me how to let go of my emotional attachment

to food?

> I don't eat out of boredom, but I sure do when stressed. I have to

learn

> that eating the wrong things really doesn't make the stress go

away, in fact

> it adds to it if anything.

>

> Jean

> 190/143.5./135

> 12/7/98

> Friday Goal - 141

[Guest guest]

Ok, so far this list has not been very supportive at

all. I state my opinion and I have a bunch of people

coming at me. Sorry if you don't like what I said. For

me it is true. I can probably find better support at

another group.

--- Marlena M wrote:

> Hmmm... it's been my experience in the real world

> that most of the people I

> know have hair that grows really fast... while I

> really take good care of

> mine and struggle to get it past my shoulders. It's

> also my experience in

> the real world that most of the people I know have

> gorgeous teeth... while

> mine are terribly far from perfect. It's also my

> experience in the real

> world that most of the people I know have nice

> petite sized feet... while I

> have these size 9's that terribly gargantuan when I

> look down.

>

> But then again, I'm probably wrong. Could it be just

> a matter of skewed

> perspective insofar as seeing in others what I

> *wish* to see in me?

>

> -Marlena

> 214.5/163.8/150

>

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: Atkins_Support_List

> >To: Atkins_Support_List

> >Subject: Re: For the Newbies........One

> Golden Shot.....READ

> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Thanks for that useful bit of knowledge. In my

> >experience, in the real world, most of the people I

> >know have lost weight very quickly. The only person

> I

> >know who has not lost as quickly is my doctor(who

> put

> >me on the diet).

> >--- " Terry L. Ross " wrote:

> > > KC,

> > >

> > > I don't think it's the experience of the 700+

> > > members of this list that most people lose

> quickly.

> > > Many people will have a large induction loss.

> Many,

> > > but not all. Then the rate of loss slows. I

> lost

> > > about 40 pounds on Atkins and it took me the

> better

> > > part of 9 months to do it.

> > >

> > > So I think the term " most " is not accurate as

> > > applied to the experience of this group of

> people

> > > congregated here.

> > >

> > >

> > > Terry

> > > 168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

> > >

> > > Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

> > >

> >

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Don't take offense KC. We are all just stating our opinions here and trying

to express what we have experienced with this WOE. You can take or leave

anybody's opinion, but input is always a good thing :-)

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

KC,

I'm sorry you feel that way. You, like everyone else here, are entitled to your opinion. I encourage the expression of opinions, and frankly, I enjoy the exchanges we have as we discuss differing opinions held by list members.

Please don't interpret a disagreement with your opinion as a lack of support. I know that everyone who has posted today would be elbowing one another to be the first in line to prop you up when you are down, celebrate a big whoosh when you have one, and help you come up with suggestions to help make this WOE work for you.

There are many things posted on this list with which I do not personally agree. For instance, I believe that truth is not something that changes from person to person, but is an absolute unchanging standard. However, many people don't believe that, and I'm just as excited to support their weight loss efforts as I would be if we totally agreed on every point. I don't see one thing as having anything to do with the other.

So, just know that this group of people IS here to support you, and along the way we have some lively and spirited discussions which should not be interpreted as personal insults, because I don't believe they are intended that way. We do have some very sharp witted and sharp tongued individuals who post and as you come to know them, you'll understand their senses of humor a bit more and come to appreciate them a little more too, I bet.

Stick with us, and we'll stick with you, OK?

Terry168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

[Guest guest]

Suzanne,

How long have you been doing this diet ? How much have you lost? I ask

because I appear to be losing slowly too, although it may be too soon to

say (I started 2.5 weeks ago, lost 6 lbs the first week, gained 2 the

second and haven't lost any since). I'm also not getting discouraged but

*would* be happy to hear that you did lose some later on .

And of course I do know that I *have* lost 4 lbs instead of gaining 10

which I could have, easily .

Vered

(220)204/200/165

> KC - when I went on induction, I didn't lose anywhere near the way

> some people do. I lost maybe 2-3 pounds in the first couple weeks on

> very strict (10) carbs. I didn't become discouraged fortunately

> because people on this list just kept telling me to keep going. So I

> did. I'm still not a super fast loser, but I'll tell you what...I am

> not going to blow this, my golden chance, if that's what it is. And

> I'll take LOSING 2 pounds during a 2 week period over the alternative

> anyday.

>

> Suzanne

[Guest guest]

What an awesome epiphany! Good for you!

--

in Indy

(262.5)253.5/229/150

3/26/01

> Just wanted to add a little something from my experience the last two

> days...

>

> I get these incredible hungries in the evenings after the kids are

> asleep and DH and I are sitting around doing nothing. First of all,

> part of that issue is NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO once the kids are

> asleep...hobby, etc. So I'm getting back into my scrapbooking.

>

> BUT, the other thing is this...I decided to eat more at dinner.

> Sunday I CHOWED on london broil and grilled onions. I ate so much.

> I had the leftovers for lunch, and CHOWED on chicken and mushrooms

> last night. I woke up 1.5 pounds lighter this morning!

>

> I have struggled with boredom on this diet...but the truth is, I

> cannot use food as entertainment anymore. Boredom is a bigger issue,

> and I'm addressing that. Low fat will never satisfy my hunger, and

> eating can no longer satisfy my boredom. I'm learning to let go of

> the emotional attachment to food...using it to satisfy my hunger (as

> I did the last few nights), not my boredom.

>

> Does this make sense to anyone else?

>

> SuzanneG

> 193/168/150ish

[Guest guest]

Hi Vered - I started late Feb (like the 23rd or so) at 193. So

that's 5 months now. I've lost 25 non-fluctuating pounds. Meaning,

25 actual pounds, not water weight. I started slowish, and have been

slow and steady since. I have to admit, though, I raised my carb

intake for about one month, knowing I wouldn't lose, but just not

wanting to gain. (I hope that doesn't count as going " off " and " on "

again and mean I've lost my golden chance!!!!) What I would say to

you is that you really do HAVE to give this at least eight weeks to

see if you are going to respond well. Some would probably say

longer, but I guess my thinking is that just as not everyone will

respond to low-fat, not everyone will respond to low-carb. Just my

opinion. And if it's not working after that long, if you are REALLY

working it, then maybe it's not for you. Good luck, and give it a

good fighting chance! It has really really worked for me. SuzanneG

> Suzanne,

>

> How long have you been doing this diet ? How much have you lost? I

ask

> because I appear to be losing slowly too, although it may be too

soon to

> say (I started 2.5 weeks ago, lost 6 lbs the first week, gained 2

the

> second and haven't lost any since). I'm also not getting

discouraged but

> *would* be happy to hear that you did lose some later on .

> And of course I do know that I *have* lost 4 lbs instead of gaining

10

> which I could have, easily .

>

> Vered

> (220)204/200/165

>

> > KC - when I went on induction, I didn't lose anywhere near the

way

> > some people do. I lost maybe 2-3 pounds in the first couple

weeks on

> > very strict (10) carbs. I didn't become discouraged fortunately

> > because people on this list just kept telling me to keep going.

So I

> > did. I'm still not a super fast loser, but I'll tell you

what...I am

> > not going to blow this, my golden chance, if that's what it is.

And

> > I'll take LOSING 2 pounds during a 2 week period over the

alternative

> > anyday.

> >

> > Suzanne

[Guest guest]

As usual, I couldn't've said it better myself, Terry!

I personally feel that the interchange we experience on this list is

critical to our " survival " as Atkids. While I don't agree with

everything that every person says on this list, I'm ALWAYS learning

something from these debates. Understanding the opposite point of view

helps me with my own ideas; through better understanding of differing

views, I can solidify my own beliefs and knowledge.

In no way was I personally attacking KC or anyone else here. I was simply

trying to share the benefits of my experience thus far. If that stepped

on some people's toes, I'm sorry. But I won't take it back. Part of what

I value about this list is our ability to exchange information and ideas

and grow as people. Holding back " opinions " won't help that to happen.

And Terry, you're right. There are a lot of us that would JUMP at the

chance to support someone who's having a rough time. After all, we've all

been there at one point or another, some of us more frequently than

others. And like you, I feel that support has nothing to do with the

exchange of differing opinions. It's too bad that some have mistaken the

two as one in the same.

KC, I hope you'll stay. You'll continue to see differing opinions here,

but you'll ALWAYS get support and great information as well.

--

in Indy

(262.5)253.5/229/150

3/26/01

[Guest guest]

I guess the real confusion is what you mean by fairly quickly...and save the

condescension; I can read just fine.

I stick by the book's prediction of average 1-2 lbs/week for women [after

induction]. To get it higher, you have to work the food plan even

harder...and probably add exercise.

I really posted to counter the 'if it's not the magic bullet, I'm not gonna

work for it attitude'. People drop off Atkins and come back because even

with all its faults, it works better than most of the alternatives.

HJ

----- Original Message -----

> Ok, you obviously are not reading my posts. I said

> that " most " people do lose fairly quickly on the

> Atkins diet, not all, but most.

[Guest guest]

KC, I know how descouraging it is when it seems like everyone else is

losing but you. I am a VERY slow loser. I have been lcing since 1/1/00

and had only lost 21 lbs

but I have lost alot of inches. I have gone from a size 18 to a size 14.

I cheated for a couple of weeks and gained back 9 1/2 lbs. Now I am

struggleing to get them back off . It is a struggle but I am NOT going

to give up because I am not just doing this for the weight loss, I am

also doing it for my health and the great way I feel on the atkins

diet.I am 54 years old and I feel great. My daughter says she can't

beleive all the energy I have. So I guess theres more to this way of

eating that losing weight. I hope you stay on this list KC so that we

can help you along the way. I know its not easy but nothing worth having

is easy. Wishing you the best KC.

Laverne

[Guest guest]

--- Brook6 wrote:

> I guess the real confusion is what you mean by

> fairly quickly...and save the

> condescension; I can read just fine.

No, you can't because we wouldnt be having this stupid

argument if you could.

> I stick by the book's prediction of average 1-2

> lbs/week for women [after

> induction]. To get it higher, you have to work the

> food plan even

> harder...and probably add exercise.

1-2 lbs per week is quick weight loss for me. I plan

to stay on the induction diet until I drop alot of

weight. Surprise! I exercise twice a day every day. If

I only .5lbs every week, then I would do just the same

on a low fat diet.

> I really posted to counter the 'if it's not the

> magic bullet, I'm not gonna

> work for it attitude'. People drop off Atkins and

> come back because even

> with all its faults, it works better than most of

> the alternatives.

Atkins sings the praises of this diet being the magic

bullet. Forgive me if I think that it has the

potential to live up to that.

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[Guest guest]

Happy belated 2-year Atkinsversary, Su-z! And many, many happy returns of the day!

Terry168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

[Guest guest]

> Happy belated 2-year Atkinsversary, Su-z! And many, many happy returns of the

day!

Boy, do I ever second that one, Terry. My 4-month Atkinsversary is

tomorrow, and I'm awfully excited about that. I can't imagine how I'd

feel after one year, let alone TWO! WTG, Su-z!!!!!

--

in Indy

(262.5)253.5/228/150

3/26/01

[Guest guest]

,

Happy Atkinsversary in advance! I've been Atkins-ing since March, 1998, so I KNOW it can be done for life.

Terry168/158.75/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

Visit my web page at www.dtnorth.com

[Guest guest]

ROFL!

----- Original Message -----

> Where do I find the real world so I can lose faster? lol

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Terry. And I was down another pound this mornign to 137. Boy, in 2

more years I may reach goal! But I feel so-o-o much better, more energetic, and

not sleepy all day.

Su-z in Vegas

170/137/120

7/23/99

> " Terry L. Ross " wrote:

>

> Happy belated 2-year Atkinsversary, Su-z! And many, many happy returns of the

> day!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cheryl, your sweet.

Laverne

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I find you are an inspiration to me. As well as everybody else

who contributes regularly.

But actually when you think about it, 2 years isn't very long in the grand

scheme of things. I am only 54 so I could have 20 more years on this WOE! Can I

do it? With friends like you to keep me encouraged I know I can!

Did anyone see Montel yesterday? He had a Dr. on who advocated eating to get and

look younger. Didn't get in on the beginning but it sounded similar to the way

we eat.

Su-z in Vegas

in the 130's since 7/8 and trying really hard to stay there

Wittekind wrote:

>

> > Happy belated 2-year Atkinsversary, Su-z! And many, many happy returns of

the day!

>

> Boy, do I ever second that one, Terry. My 4-month Atkinsversary is

> tomorrow, and I'm awfully excited about that. I can't imagine how I'd

> feel after one year, let alone TWO! WTG, Su-z!!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks, . I find you are an inspiration to me. As well as everybody else

> who contributes regularly.

What a sweetie you are! My day's just getting better and better!

> But actually when you think about it, 2 years isn't very long in the grand

> scheme of things. I am only 54 so I could have 20 more years on this WOE! Can

I

> do it? With friends like you to keep me encouraged I know I can!

I guess that's a great way to look at it. Me, I'm only 24. Look at the

years ahead I've got with Atkins. But that's OK, really. I feel that I

wouldn't have nearly as many years ahead of me WITHOUT Atkins.

> Did anyone see Montel yesterday? He had a Dr. on who advocated eating to get

and

> look younger. Didn't get in on the beginning but it sounded similar to the way

> we eat.

I channel-surfed through Montel yesterday. I think I've seen that guy

before on Oprah. He has some pretty cool things to say. Not only do

certain foods make you " younger " , but other things do too. Exercise,

pets, companionship, and yes, even orgasms make you younger! I think this

guy might even have a website too, but I'm not exactly sure how to find

it. If I do, I'll let you guys know.

--

in Indy

(262.5)253.5/228/150

3/26/01

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Cheryl. Stubborn is my middle name!

Su-z in Vegas

Cheryl wrote:

Happy 2 year Atkinsversary Su-z That is a great feat. I admire your tenacity.

Cheryl Ü