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I feel like we are on the eternal evalation path (which is getting a little

old). I agree that there are many avenues to go through. When we first saw a

developmental pediatrician (brought in for the motor delays at 17 months and

left with a diagnosis of severe language delay NOS) we were told to get ST

privately or go through EI. I was told to not worry about the motor stuff as

he just started walking. (Coordination of my globally apraxic child is still

an issue - one we are finally dealing with re: OT and soon PT, 10 months

later). Apraxia was never even mentioned, nor was his hypotonia at the time.

After EI (the price was right) our speech therapist diagnosed " classic

apraxia " on the first visit...but then my son was only 22 months and I was

very skeptical of the diagnosis, but started doing my homework only to find

that he was in fact classic. But I returned to the developmental

pediatrician to get her take on it (Director of Develop Peds at our

Children's Hospital) - and she was skeptical of benefits of fish oil,

reports I told her of " rewiring " of the brain - the younger the better -

good science coming out of Stanford University Medical Center, and told me

apraxia could not be diagnosed until at least 3 years. Wait another year?

No way! Valuable time would be lost if in fact this was apraxia. Armed with

the knowledge I gained from this and other sites, searching pub med etc...I

knew this all to be not true re: timing of diagnosis etc (but old school

thinking). Our insurance covered these initial evalations. At that point I

went out to another private develop ped for an evaluation...knowing we would

be spending upwards of $1000 for the initial eval plus cost of follow-ups

(they are expensive - so $2000 doesn't actually shock me...but you have to

weigh what info you are getting vs. putting that money towards therapy that

is not covered by EI or insurance. The dyslexia work-up for my daughter was

about $2000, and I knew that going into it - but also knew that the private

Dev ped would stand behind his diagnosis and help us at IEP time if

necessary etc...and also knew that an insurance-covered evalation would not

get us what we needed). This second evaluation for my son at age 24 months

gave us the confirmation of the diagnosis of global apraxia (what we needed

to increase services through EI - though 2x week ST is still not sufficient

for apraxia...better than once a week, and we have bumped privately to three

times). So completely paid for itself in the sense of justifying increased

services. But we were also told to get " good OT " - which we did not have at

the time through EI. He recommended some private OTs...and the initial

evaluation (without therapy) was $1200. So this REALLY adds up quickly. But

OT for hypotonia and apraxia (now that we had the diagnosis) is covered by

insurance. The insurance covered OTs from the children's hospital will

offer us pretty much the same thing as the private. We are willing to do

whatever it takes to help my son (using home line of credit etc for the cash

if necessary). But there are often (though not always) good services through

the state and insurance - once you figure out what to ask for. We opted to

put that $ towards his ST rather than private OT eval, and went through our

insurance for the OT. Turns out that EI will actually provide PT too, now

that we have an evaluation (from the insurance covered OT) stating that it

is medically necessary. I feel like this is a game we all need to learn how

to play in order to get the services our kids need.

If you have a good ST - that individual should be able to give you an idea

of the diagnosis...unless he/she is not well versed in apraxia - which

unfortunately happens quite a bit. If there is a long waiting time for an

appointment to see your local develop ped (who may be covered by your

insurance)... ask to be put on the cancelation list. This means that you may

get a call in the AM that there is suddenly an appointment that

afternoon...but if you have some flexibility - often this will get you in

within the next month or 2 as opposed to a year. We would have made the

trip to NYC to see Dr. Agin as well if there were no other options. In some

areas, there really may be no other options - but for that kind of money you

may want to explore the options that are available and get on the list to

see your local folks. $2000 = > 20 sessions of private speech therapy, and

with a good therapist you can get your diagnosis. If you have a good

relationship with your pediatrician - they will usually support the

diagnosis even if they do not know that much about apraxia etc - if you

share the ST report with them. But if you feel like you can't get the " right

diagnosis " through what's available - a trip to NYC may actually be worth it

in the long run. -

[ ] TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR??

Does she move in with you for a week? Perhaps someone could verify

that this is her fee, but it CERTAINLY seems exorbitant - particularly

for folks who are likely staring down years of weekly therapy. I know

Dr. Agin was you co-author, , but I have NEVER heard of a doc

asking that kind of standard fee. Lots of folks here love Dr. Agin,

but she is CERTAINLY not the only path - and no one should feel like

they're doing their child a disservice if they take a different route -

it certainly need not cost that much.

To put it in perspective, my younger son was seen for a comprehensive

evaluation at our local Children's Hospital. We saw a ST, OT/PT,

dietician, and a dev ped 3 times. Each of the individual evals took 2

hours except the dietician which was 3 total (2 visits). The dev ped

saw us 1 time with our child for about 1.5 hours, again without our

child for over an hour and then again with our son as a follow up for

approx. an hour. The entire fee - for all of these evals (which went

over 2 weeks) - paid out by our insurance company was approximately

$1400. Please also note that there are programs available in Ohio -

and I'm sure in other states - that either waive fees or create

payment plans for these types of evals. Basically, the hospital works

with you - if you called and asked what fee would be involved to

evaluate a dev delayed kid or a ST eval - you might get an hourly

rate, but there are so many variables that the answerer would be hard

pressed to give you a flat figure. Both of my children's evals were

right on - and my apraxic son's eval was done by a ST. I'm not sure

why this has to be so complicated. If you're not getting the right

diagnosis, there are always other avenues - some of them might cost,

but likely not thousands. And for those of you in EI, there are

plenty of folks who have been here who have 1 diagnosis from EI and

one from a private doc/ST - and ne'er the twain shall meet.

Just had to throw my (unpopular) 2 cents in - but this is scary enough

without feeling like you HAVE to go borrowing thousands of dollars to

go see 1 particular person in this instance.

Marina

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" $2000 = > 20 sessions of private speech therapy, and

with a good therapist you can get your diagnosis. If you have a good

relationship with your pediatrician - they will usually support the

diagnosis even if they do not know that much about apraxia etc - if

you

share the ST report with them. "

Yes, you're right that you can get on that never-ending path...I

just don't think it's the ONLY route - and one certainly shouldn't

feel guilt because they can't get there - it's not the only game in

town. I particularly liked your suggestion of going to your ped for

the diagnosis - I have a great relationship with my ped. He knew we

had good coverage and had other options for seeking diagnoses, but I

have shared each step of the way with him, and he, in turn, has

written letters of medical necessity, participated in IEPs (through

letters) etc. and been of immense help. Excellent suggestion...

Marina

>

> I feel like we are on the eternal evalation path (which is getting

a little

> old). I agree that there are many avenues to go through. When we

first saw a

> developmental pediatrician (brought in for the motor delays at 17

months and

> left with a diagnosis of severe language delay NOS) we were told

to get ST

> privately or go through EI. I was told to not worry about the

motor stuff as

> he just started walking. (Coordination of my globally apraxic

child is still

> an issue - one we are finally dealing with re: OT and soon PT, 10

months

> later). Apraxia was never even mentioned, nor was his hypotonia at

the time.

> After EI (the price was right) our speech therapist

diagnosed " classic

> apraxia " on the first visit...but then my son was only 22 months

and I was

> very skeptical of the diagnosis, but started doing my homework

only to find

> that he was in fact classic. But I returned to the developmental

> pediatrician to get her take on it (Director of Develop Peds at

our

> Children's Hospital) - and she was skeptical of benefits of fish

oil,

> reports I told her of " rewiring " of the brain - the younger the

better -

> good science coming out of Stanford University Medical Center, and

told me

> apraxia could not be diagnosed until at least 3 years. Wait

another year?

> No way! Valuable time would be lost if in fact this was apraxia.

Armed with

> the knowledge I gained from this and other sites, searching pub

med etc...I

> knew this all to be not true re: timing of diagnosis etc (but old

school

> thinking). Our insurance covered these initial evalations. At that

point I

> went out to another private develop ped for an

evaluation...knowing we would

> be spending upwards of $1000 for the initial eval plus cost of

follow-ups

> (they are expensive - so $2000 doesn't actually shock me...but you

have to

> weigh what info you are getting vs. putting that money towards

therapy that

> is not covered by EI or insurance. The dyslexia work-up for my

daughter was

> about $2000, and I knew that going into it - but also knew that

the private

> Dev ped would stand behind his diagnosis and help us at IEP time if

> necessary etc...and also knew that an insurance-covered evalation

would not

> get us what we needed). This second evaluation for my son at age

24 months

> gave us the confirmation of the diagnosis of global apraxia (what

we needed

> to increase services through EI - though 2x week ST is still not

sufficient

> for apraxia...better than once a week, and we have bumped

privately to three

> times). So completely paid for itself in the sense of justifying

increased

> services. But we were also told to get " good OT " - which we did

not have at

> the time through EI. He recommended some private OTs...and the

initial

> evaluation (without therapy) was $1200. So this REALLY adds up

quickly. But

> OT for hypotonia and apraxia (now that we had the diagnosis) is

covered by

> insurance. The insurance covered OTs from the children's hospital

will

> offer us pretty much the same thing as the private. We are

willing to do

> whatever it takes to help my son (using home line of credit etc

for the cash

> if necessary). But there are often (though not always) good

services through

> the state and insurance - once you figure out what to ask for. We

opted to

> put that $ towards his ST rather than private OT eval, and went

through our

> insurance for the OT. Turns out that EI will actually provide PT

too, now

> that we have an evaluation (from the insurance covered OT) stating

that it

> is medically necessary. I feel like this is a game we all need to

learn how

> to play in order to get the services our kids need.

>

> If you have a good ST - that individual should be able to give you

an idea

> of the diagnosis...unless he/she is not well versed in apraxia -

which

> unfortunately happens quite a bit. If there is a long waiting

time for an

> appointment to see your local develop ped (who may be covered by

your

> insurance)... ask to be put on the cancelation list. This means

that you may

> get a call in the AM that there is suddenly an appointment that

> afternoon...but if you have some flexibility - often this will get

you in

> within the next month or 2 as opposed to a year. We would have

made the

> trip to NYC to see Dr. Agin as well if there were no other

options. In some

> areas, there really may be no other options - but for that kind of

money you

> may want to explore the options that are available and get on the

list to

> see your local folks. $2000 = > 20 sessions of private speech

therapy, and

> with a good therapist you can get your diagnosis. If you have a

good

> relationship with your pediatrician - they will usually support the

> diagnosis even if they do not know that much about apraxia etc -

if you

> share the ST report with them. But if you feel like you can't get

the " right

> diagnosis " through what's available - a trip to NYC may actually

be worth it

> in the long run. -

>

>

> [ ] TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR??

>

>

> Does she move in with you for a week? Perhaps someone could verify

> that this is her fee, but it CERTAINLY seems exorbitant -

particularly

> for folks who are likely staring down years of weekly therapy. I

know

> Dr. Agin was you co-author, , but I have NEVER heard of a doc

> asking that kind of standard fee. Lots of folks here love Dr.

Agin,

> but she is CERTAINLY not the only path - and no one should feel

like

> they're doing their child a disservice if they take a different

route -

> it certainly need not cost that much.

>

> To put it in perspective, my younger son was seen for a

comprehensive

> evaluation at our local Children's Hospital. We saw a ST, OT/PT,

> dietician, and a dev ped 3 times. Each of the individual evals

took 2

> hours except the dietician which was 3 total (2 visits). The dev

ped

> saw us 1 time with our child for about 1.5 hours, again without our

> child for over an hour and then again with our son as a follow up

for

> approx. an hour. The entire fee - for all of these evals (which

went

> over 2 weeks) - paid out by our insurance company was approximately

> $1400. Please also note that there are programs available in

Ohio -

> and I'm sure in other states - that either waive fees or create

> payment plans for these types of evals. Basically, the hospital

works

> with you - if you called and asked what fee would be involved to

> evaluate a dev delayed kid or a ST eval - you might get an hourly

> rate, but there are so many variables that the answerer would be

hard

> pressed to give you a flat figure. Both of my children's evals

were

> right on - and my apraxic son's eval was done by a ST. I'm not

sure

> why this has to be so complicated. If you're not getting the right

> diagnosis, there are always other avenues - some of them might

cost,

> but likely not thousands. And for those of you in EI, there are

> plenty of folks who have been here who have 1 diagnosis from EI and

> one from a private doc/ST - and ne'er the twain shall meet.

>

> Just had to throw my (unpopular) 2 cents in - but this is scary

enough

> without feeling like you HAVE to go borrowing thousands of dollars

to

> go see 1 particular person in this instance.

>

> Marina

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Marina!

A speech therapist can diagnosis apraxia or other impairments of

speech, but they're not qualified to diagnose the neuro soft signs that

typically co exist such as motor planning deficits in the body, and

low tone (hypotonia) etc..

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/parentfriendlysoftsigns.html

Can't address it with EI without diagnosis. One needs a neurodevelopmental

medical doctor to confirm or rule out the neuro soft signs. As I

just posted the other day -a parent told me that she took her child

to an SLP and she was diagnosed with apraxia and nothing else. Pure

apraxia as we know from our group exists -but it's so rare it's like

finding an apraxic child 50 years ago, improbable.

A pediatrician is a great start -but if they suspect apraxia which

is a neurologically based motor planning disorder than an

appointment with a neuroMD (developmental pediatrician or pediatric

neurologist) is highly recommended. Of course the parents can start

with the MDs in their insurance plan and they may provide all the

help that is needed. After all, Dr. Agin wrote The Late Talker and

the Contemporary Pediatrics articles to educate other pediatric

medical professionals what to look for and how to help the children

(The Late Talker even provides sample letters from an MD)

Like I said however, if one makes an appointment with Dr. Agin you

won't get one any time soon anyway. So you can decide if it's

what's best as it gets closer to the date of your appointment. They

have a constant waiting list of people who would are waiting to hear

about a cancellation. (I myself have tried to get family friends in

right away by people who said " Come on you can get an appointment

right away " but couldn't -and I'm her co author of The Late Talker!)

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Where I live, a dx from an slp does not get you the increased

services from EI - only a formal dx from a specialist, in our case a

Ped. Neuro & Dr. Agin.

As for Dr. Agin, my daughter saw her in Nov. 2005 & was awesome. We

had already had the formal dx & were getting all the services we

needed, but she had many suggestions & her report was helpful for

our first iep meeting. Without her, I never would have gotten her

placed in a ei center based pre school - didn't know they existed.

I made a follow up appt. just yesterday - appt is May 2006. I

couldn't decide if I should take Callie, she is doing so well -

speaking up a storm & we get all the services we need. I decided to

make the appt...I figured we have come so far, let's go all the way

& I want to make sure her progress continues. IF Dr. Agin can make

any suggestions, no matter how small that will better prepare her

for kindergarten, then it's worth it.

>

> Hi Marina!

>

> A speech therapist can diagnosis apraxia or other impairments of

> speech, but they're not qualified to diagnose the neuro soft signs

that

> typically co exist such as motor planning deficits in the body,

and

> low tone (hypotonia) etc..

>

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/parentfriendlysoftsi

gns.html

>

> Can't address it with EI without diagnosis. One needs a

neurodevelopmental

> medical doctor to confirm or rule out the neuro soft signs. As I

> just posted the other day -a parent told me that she took her

child

> to an SLP and she was diagnosed with apraxia and nothing else.

Pure

> apraxia as we know from our group exists -but it's so rare it's

like

> finding an apraxic child 50 years ago, improbable.

>

> A pediatrician is a great start -but if they suspect apraxia which

> is a neurologically based motor planning disorder than an

> appointment with a neuroMD (developmental pediatrician or

pediatric

> neurologist) is highly recommended. Of course the parents can

start

> with the MDs in their insurance plan and they may provide all the

> help that is needed. After all, Dr. Agin wrote The Late Talker

and

> the Contemporary Pediatrics articles to educate other pediatric

> medical professionals what to look for and how to help the

children

> (The Late Talker even provides sample letters from an MD)

>

> Like I said however, if one makes an appointment with Dr. Agin you

> won't get one any time soon anyway. So you can decide if it's

> what's best as it gets closer to the date of your appointment.

They

> have a constant waiting list of people who would are waiting to

hear

> about a cancellation. (I myself have tried to get family friends

in

> right away by people who said " Come on you can get an appointment

> right away " but couldn't -and I'm her co author of The Late

Talker!)

>

> =====

>

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