What stage?

[Guest guest]

Cheri,

You said on the saliva test results from Canary Club there should be a chart on

the right side that shows a graph and has a little square correlating to your

numbers with a number beside it. On my Canary Club test results (ZRT Lab) the

only graph I see in at the bottom of 1st page. It is titled Adrenal Function

(Cortisol ng/ml). Is that the graph you are referring to?

I would love to know how to tell what stage I am. My morning cortisol was high

normal, noon was low normal, evening was high normal, night was just below

normal range which indicated I had low adrenal reserve. Does anyone have a

guess what stage I would be?

Appreciate your help!

Delores

[Guest guest]

Delores,

That is only for the Diagnos Tech from Canary Club. I have no idea about

ZRT. However, if you post your results, Val might be able to tell you what

stage you are in.

Cheri

What stage?

Cheri,

You said on the saliva test results from Canary Club there should be a

chart on the right side that shows a graph and has a little square

correlating to your numbers with a number beside it. On my Canary Club test

results (ZRT Lab) the only graph I see in at the bottom of 1st page. It is

titled Adrenal Function (Cortisol ng/ml). Is that the graph you are

referring to?

I would love to know how to tell what stage I am. My morning cortisol was

high normal, noon was low normal, evening was high normal, night was just

below normal range which indicated I had low adrenal reserve. Does anyone

have a guess what stage I would be?

Appreciate your help!

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[Guest guest]

Val,

Can you tell me what you think my stage of adrenal fatigue is?These are my

coritsol saliva results:

Morning 8.3 (range 3.7-9.5)

Noon 1.3 (range 1.2-3.0)

Evening 1.9 (range .6-1.9

Night .3 (range .4-1.0)

Thanks,

Delores

What stage?

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> Cheri,

>

> You said on the saliva test results from Canary Club there should be a

> chart on the right side that shows a graph and has a little square

> correlating to your numbers with a number beside it. On my Canary Club

test

> results (ZRT Lab) the only graph I see in at the bottom of 1st page. It is

> titled Adrenal Function (Cortisol ng/ml). Is that the graph you are

> referring to?

>

> I would love to know how to tell what stage I am. My morning cortisol

was

> high normal, noon was low normal, evening was high normal, night was just

> below normal range which indicated I had low adrenal reserve. Does anyone

> have a guess what stage I would be?

>

> Appreciate your help!

>

> Deloresdelivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional

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>

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[Guest guest]

Delores, she would need your DHEA numbers too since that is part of what

determines the stages. Cheri

Re: What stage?

Val,

Can you tell me what you think my stage of adrenal fatigue is?These are my

coritsol saliva results:

Morning 8.3 (range 3.7-9.5)

Noon 1.3 (range 1.2-3.0)

Evening 1.9 (range .6-1.9

Night .3 (range .4-1.0)

Thanks,

Delores

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[Guest guest]

I was put in the reference zone box....weird huh?

What does that mean?? Now, I see that after looking at the ones on the

website.

THanks

[Guest guest]

Morning 8.3 (range 3.7-9.5)

Noon 1.3 (range 1.2-3.0)

Evening 1.9 (range .6-1.9

Night .3 (range .4-1.0)

The stages are calculated on a DHEA / Cortisol correlation so without the DHEA

too I really can;t say though I would guess stage 4.

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[Guest guest]

Val,

My DHEAS is 1.3 (range (1)2-23 (age dependent). My age is 67. Report said

my DHEA is lower than expected for my age range. Do you still think stage

4?

Thanks

Delores

Re: What stage?

> Morning 8.3 (range 3.7-9.5)

> Noon 1.3 (range 1.2-3.0)

> Evening 1.9 (range .6-1.9

> Night .3 (range .4-1.0)

>

> The stages are calculated on a DHEA / Cortisol correlation so without the

DHEA too I really can;t say though I would guess stage 4.

>

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[Guest guest]

Um, the little black box is in the bottom left hand corner of the

reference range. The 4 box is to the left of the square, and the 5

box is below the square. Im confused. Why is my little black box in

the reference range box to begin with. oN the website, it shows folks

in the box with the correct stage they are in.

My DHEA read 4 (normal) (3-10)

Cortisol Burden was 21 normal (23-42)

>

> Where in the reference range? Are you closer to the edge of the

border of

> the quadrant at 4 or 5? Also, what was your DHEA reading?

> Where you on any supplements when you took the test? sorry if you

already

> answered. I am multi-tasking so I need to be reminded.

>

> Cheri

> Re: What stage?

>

>

> I was put in the reference zone box....weird huh?

> What does that mean?? Now, I see that after looking at the ones

on the

> website.

>

> THanks

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[Guest guest]

Where in the reference range? Are you closer to the edge of the border of

the quadrant at 4 or 5? Also, what was your DHEA reading?

Where you on any supplements when you took the test? sorry if you already

answered. I am multi-tasking so I need to be reminded.

Cheri

Re: What stage?

I was put in the reference zone box....weird huh?

What does that mean?? Now, I see that after looking at the ones on the

website.

THanks

.

[Guest guest]

>>My DHEAS is 1.3 (range (1)2-23 (age dependent). My age is 67. Report said

my DHEA is lower than expected for my age range. Do you still think stage

4?<<

Yes cause the cortisol is nto that low.

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[Guest guest]

Mine says

" Depressed morning cortisol, < 13nM is suggetive of marginal HPA

performance. Normal rhytms exhibit highest cortisol value for the day

at 7-8am.

Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11 Beta HSD inhibitors, as in

licoricem worth consideration. "

Whats that mean?

:

>

> Wow. That's a hard one. I am thinking stage 4 based on this:

> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%204.html

>

> Your cortisol is dropping and 21 is low (range begins at 23) but

your DHEA

> is still fine which is usually stage 4.

>

> Did they have any notes written on there, like for recommended

treatment?

> Mine had on that I needed cortisol and anabolic support. I wonder

if you

> could contact the lab and ask them?

>

> Cheri

> Re: What stage?

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>

>

>

> Um, the little black box is in the bottom left hand corner of the

> reference range. The 4 box is to the left of the square, and the 5

> box is below the square. Im confused. Why is my little black box

in

> the reference range box to begin with. oN the website, it shows

folks

> in the box with the correct stage they are in.

> My DHEA read 4 (normal) (3-10)

> Cortisol Burden was 21 normal (23-42)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I did phone ZRT Lab. They told me they do not put stage on their reports

but if my Dr would phone they would discuss it with him. I told her I did

not have a Dr. Their lab report just said my results indicated low adrenal

reserve and adrenal fatigue On DHEA, the report said it was lower than the

expected age range.

Delores

Re: What stage?

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>

>

>

> Um, the little black box is in the bottom left hand corner of the

> reference range. The 4 box is to the left of the square, and the 5

> box is below the square. Im confused. Why is my little black box in

> the reference range box to begin with. oN the website, it shows folks

> in the box with the correct stage they are in.

> My DHEA read 4 (normal) (3-10)

> Cortisol Burden was 21 normal (23-42)

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Wow. That's a hard one. I am thinking stage 4 based on this:

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%204.html

Your cortisol is dropping and 21 is low (range begins at 23) but your DHEA

is still fine which is usually stage 4.

Did they have any notes written on there, like for recommended treatment?

Mine had on that I needed cortisol and anabolic support. I wonder if you

could contact the lab and ask them?

Cheri

Re: What stage?

Um, the little black box is in the bottom left hand corner of the

reference range. The 4 box is to the left of the square, and the 5

box is below the square. Im confused. Why is my little black box in

the reference range box to begin with. oN the website, it shows folks

in the box with the correct stage they are in.

My DHEA read 4 (normal) (3-10)

Cortisol Burden was 21 normal (23-42)

[Guest guest]

>> " Depressed morning cortisol, < 13nM is suggetive of marginal HPA

performance. Normal rhytms exhibit highest cortisol value for the day

at 7-8am.

Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11 Beta HSD inhibitors, as in

licoricem worth consideration. " <<

That means you either need to take HC in the AM to supplement your own cortiol

levels or you could try taking Licorice root to extend the life of your own

cortiosl.

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[Guest guest]

I still think you are in stage 4.

Cheri

Re: Re: What stage?

I did phone ZRT Lab. They told me they do not put stage on their reports

but if my Dr would phone they would discuss it with him. I told her I did

not have a Dr. Their lab report just said my results indicated low adrenal

reserve and adrenal fatigue On DHEA, the report said it was lower than the

expected age range.

Delores

[Guest guest]

Cheri-

Me, stage for, or the other person who was in the thread.??

I'm so confused.

THe only problem I really have with my cortisol, is that afternoon

drop. Weird. It drops to the bottom of the line around 4-5pm. GOsh

knows how long it really lasts though in reality.

If it said to just supplement in the morning, maybe thats what I should

try doing. It didnt say I needed cortisol, so I can't be that bad,

right?

>

[Guest guest]

Both of you!

Cheri

Re: What stage?

Cheri-

Me, stage for, or the other person who was in the thread.??

I'm so confused.

THe only problem I really have with my cortisol, is that afternoon

drop. Weird. It drops to the bottom of the line around 4-5pm. GOsh

knows how long it really lasts though in reality.

If it said to just supplement in the morning, maybe thats what I should

try doing. It didnt say I needed cortisol, so I can't be that bad,

right?

>

.

[Guest guest]

SO they are saying that its possible that my HPA is messed up, in

other words? Like my pituitary, or hypothalamus?

What are 11 BEta HSD inhibitors? Never heard that before? It sounds

scary.

Thanks, sorry...I know nothing.

>

> HPA stands for hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal_axis

>

> It is saying you want to raise your morning cortisol either by

taking

> cortisol supplementation (HC or Isocort) or you could try licorice

which

> could raise the cortisol already in your body by making it more

receptive.

>

> 11 Beta HSD inhibitors ...well, licorice would qualify as that too.

>

> Cheri

> Re: What stage?

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> >

> >

> >

> > Um, the little black box is in the bottom left hand corner of

the

> > reference range. The 4 box is to the left of the square, and

the 5

> > box is below the square. Im confused. Why is my little black box

> in

> > the reference range box to begin with. oN the website, it shows

> folks

> > in the box with the correct stage they are in.

> > My DHEA read 4 (normal) (3-10)

> > Cortisol Burden was 21 normal (23-42)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

HPA stands for hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal_axis

It is saying you want to raise your morning cortisol either by taking

cortisol supplementation (HC or Isocort) or you could try licorice which

could raise the cortisol already in your body by making it more receptive.

11 Beta HSD inhibitors ...well, licorice would qualify as that too.

Cheri

Re: What stage?

>

>

>

>

> Um, the little black box is in the bottom left hand corner of the

> reference range. The 4 box is to the left of the square, and the 5

> box is below the square. Im confused. Why is my little black box

in

> the reference range box to begin with. oN the website, it shows

folks

> in the box with the correct stage they are in.

> My DHEA read 4 (normal) (3-10)

> Cortisol Burden was 21 normal (23-42)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not scary. Pretty standard in a adrenal fatigued people and you are at an

earlier mid stage so don't panic. I think you will be able to get your

balance back easier than a lot of people, but remember not to start anything

(HC) until AFTER the tests. I know I keep stressing that but it is better to

wait and have the more information. I am at stage 7 and would love to have

lab results like yours, lol.

11 Beta HSD inhibitors are just fancy ways of saying it helps kick in the

cortisol already in your body. They also are supposed to help with salt loss

that a lot of us have issues with, and therefore, low blood pressure.

Cheri

Re: What stage?

SO they are saying that its possible that my HPA is messed up, in

other words? Like my pituitary, or hypothalamus?

What are 11 BEta HSD inhibitors? Never heard that before? It sounds

scary.

Thanks, sorry...I know nothing.

.

[Guest guest]

So, if it says my HPA is messed up, Im probably looking at secondary

AF??

How can I test the hypothalamus gland??

THanks, '

>

> Not scary. Pretty standard in a adrenal fatigued people and you are

at an

> earlier mid stage so don't panic. I think you will be able to get

your

> balance back easier than a lot of people, but remember not to start

anything

> (HC) until AFTER the tests. I know I keep stressing that but it is

better to

> wait and have the more information. I am at stage 7 and would love

to have

> lab results like yours, lol.

>

> 11 Beta HSD inhibitors are just fancy ways of saying it helps kick

in the

> cortisol already in your body. They also are supposed to help with

salt loss

> that a lot of us have issues with, and therefore, low blood

pressure.

>

> Cheri

>

> Re: What stage?

>

>

>

>

> SO they are saying that its possible that my HPA is messed up, in

> other words? Like my pituitary, or hypothalamus?

> What are 11 BEta HSD inhibitors? Never heard that before? It

sounds

> scary.

> Thanks, sorry...I know nothing.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You treat your adrenals. The HPA axis is messed up in everyone who has

adrenal problems from what I have read. I am stage 7 primary with a messed

up HPA and am taking cortisol to try to get well.

I don't know that you need to test your hypothalamus gland. Not sure what

that will tell you as far as treatment it won't really make a difference. I

know mine shrank from too many years of two much stress and not enough

sleep but there was no " treatment " other than to get more sleep and less

stress. However, really it was the adrenal issue because that was what was

causing the stress and lack of sleep to begin with.

You could have the ACTH for pituitary if you haven't already. I think you

have enough info from your saliva tests to start treatment.

Cheri

Re: What stage?

So, if it says my HPA is messed up, Im probably looking at secondary

AF??

How can I test the hypothalamus gland??

THanks, '

.

[Guest guest]

Yea, I thought I had began treatment with those supplements, but I

feel even worse on them. Im going to stop taking them slowly..

I'm wondering though, if all these symptoms Im having is because Im

severly hypo. Last time I had blood drawn was last month, and my

TSH=3.94 (0.3-5.5)

Free T4=1.6 (0.9-1.8)

Total T3= 94 (60-181)

I havent gotten the Free t3 yet. I'll get that done with my next set

of bloodwork coming up soon.

Wouldn't you say by these results that I need more thyroid meds?? I

had the RAI done, so I will have to have thyroid for life!

I never had a problem with dizziness when I was on a higher dose of

synthroid (like 100mcg, or 125 mcg). The dizziness (adrenals Im

assuming adter searching for answers and seeing the cortisol drop

with the saliva test) started when I was on 25mcg for a long time!!

Way too low for someone who had RAI done.

WIth antibodies in my blood from the graves or hashis(whatever is was

really), it would throw off all results anyway,

Last month My antibodies were

Anti Thryoglobin <20 (<40)

Thyroid Microsoma 394 (<40)

Im wondering if I could handle a stronger dose of synthroid? I dont

want to try the armour when the t3 could give me heart palps and such

with low cortisol at times of the day.

I would never be able to ramp up to where I need to be for someone

who had their thyroid nuked.

Cant adrenal fatigue be caused from being on a inadequate dose of

thyroid hormone for too long??? If so, then fixing the problem, by

upping the dose, should help the adrenals heal...unless its the

pituitary causing it...right?

Let me know what you think about all this..

Thanks

My docs are too stupid to try anything with me. I've got one(a PA)

that doesnt have a brain and will order whatever I want him to, and

the other simply wanted my money. He;s ignored the fact that the

supplements made me worse.

>

> You treat your adrenals. The HPA axis is messed up in everyone who

has

> adrenal problems from what I have read. I am stage 7 primary with a

messed

> up HPA and am taking cortisol to try to get well.

>

> I don't know that you need to test your hypothalamus gland. Not

sure what

> that will tell you as far as treatment it won't really make a

difference. I

> know mine shrank from too many years of two much stress and not

enough

> sleep but there was no " treatment " other than to get more sleep and

less

> stress. However, really it was the adrenal issue because that was

what was

> causing the stress and lack of sleep to begin with.

>

> You could have the ACTH for pituitary if you haven't already. I

think you

> have enough info from your saliva tests to start treatment.

> Cheri

[Guest guest]

Free T4=1.6 (0.9-1.8)

I would say you need more T3 but with T4 that high you may also have very high

RT3. RT3 can also cause those symptoms and cause adrenal fatigue and is made

much worse by T4 only meds.

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[Guest guest]

THATS ME!!!!

SO, what do I do? IS it easier to tolerate t3 only meds with adrenal

fatigue, rather than armour. I dont want to try the armour and not be

able to get where I need to be. I had the RAI done, so I need to have

an adequate dose for life.

I do have high reverse t3? That doc ignored it.

How does it cause these symptoms?? Is it like a thyroid dump going

on???

THanks

>

> Free T4=1.6 (0.9-1.8)

>

> I would say you need more T3 but with T4 that high you may also

have very high RT3. RT3 can also cause those symptoms and cause

adrenal fatigue and is made much worse by T4 only meds.

>

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>