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[Guest guest]

That hot feeling is usually accompanied by intense hunger pangs for me

which is why it looks like low cortisol/hypogly for me. I still get

the hunger, but not as bad and I can ignore it now and usually get

back to sleep. It's just been the last few days since increasing my

dose of Armour again that sleep has been bad. I think that I'm

pushing the adrenals a little too hard.

One more question for Val on this thread. I'm dosing Armour 2x/day -

3/4 grain first thing in the AM and another 3/4 grain at around 2PM.

Is that about right for 2x dosing or should I push that second dose

back to around lunch time, or forward for better coverage through the

night? I just don't want to over-stimulate myself too late in the day

as taking anything with T3 in it in the evening or night has not

worked for me.

Thanks,

>

> I am having the same trouble. I am waking @ 5am. I do not think my

trouble

> is low cortisol though. I wake feeling HOT and I have to throw all the

> covers off and wait to cool down before I can go back to sleep. I

have high

> cortisol at the midnight reading but in the lower part of the range

in the

> AM. I am on 2.5 grains of Armour, 3 capsules of licorice and 1/2

tsp sea

> salt. Thanks!

>

>

> Ann s

> www.janesjewel.com

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>

[Guest guest]

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Are you sure you aren't hyper? The hotness and hunger sound like me

when I get hyper. Have you had your levels tested recently?

Sorry if I'm asking questions that you've already answered...

Beth

>

> That hot feeling is usually accompanied by intense hunger pangs for

me

> which is why it looks like low cortisol/hypogly for me. I still get

> the hunger, but not as bad and I can ignore it now and usually get

> back to sleep. It's just been the last few days since increasing my

> dose of Armour again that sleep has been bad. I think that I'm

> pushing the adrenals a little too hard.

>

> One more question for Val on this thread. I'm dosing Armour

2x/day -

> 3/4 grain first thing in the AM and another 3/4 grain at around

2PM.

> Is that about right for 2x dosing or should I push that second dose

> back to around lunch time, or forward for better coverage through

the

> night? I just don't want to over-stimulate myself too late in the

day

> as taking anything with T3 in it in the evening or night has not

> worked for me.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>I am having the same trouble. I am waking @ 5am. I do not think my trouble

is low cortisol though. I wake feeling HOT and I have to throw all the

covers off and wait to cool down before I can go back to sleep. I have high

cortisol at the midnight reading but in the lower part of the range in the

AM. I am on 2.5 grains of Armour, 3 capsules of licorice and 1/2 tsp sea

salt. Thanks! <<

Sounds liek hot flash or night sweat to me! Get the estrigen checked. Taking

c0rtisol can lower estrogen.

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[Guest guest]

Well, I have Hashis so I guess it's possible that I'm swinging from

hyper to hypo, but I've had it for some time to have worn down my

adrenals to this point and my labs so far have shown highish TSH and

low free Ts which, I believe, indicates hypo not hyper. I just had

labs drawn yesterday for the first time since October and so I should

have a better pix of where I'm at.

Thanks,

>

> ,

>

> Are you sure you aren't hyper? The hotness and hunger sound like me

> when I get hyper. Have you had your levels tested recently?

[Guest guest]

I would suggest splitting your dose further, into 3x/day. 1/2 grain

am, 1/2 grain afternoon, 1/2 grain bedtime. Yes, I read you're

reluctant to try a bedtime dose, but try it. You would accomplish

three things here. The lower doses put less strain on your adrenals

each time, you get better 24-hour T3 coverage, and the bedtime dose

might give your liver the energy it needs to keep you from becoming

hypoglycemic overnight. I like 1/2 grain doses the best because 1/4

grain seems so little it's almost like teasing the body with a taste,

and greater than 1/2 grain seems to cause stress (for me anyway). When

you're ready to raise again, go to 4x/day dosing: breakfast, lunch,

dinner, and bedtime. I find that works very well for me.

Barb

" jasrich " wrote:

> One more question for Val on this thread. I'm dosing Armour 2x/day -

> 3/4 grain first thing in the AM and another 3/4 grain at around 2PM.

> Is that about right for 2x dosing or should I push that second dose

> back to around lunch time, or forward for better coverage through the

> night? I just don't want to over-stimulate myself too late in the day

> as taking anything with T3 in it in the evening or night has not

[Guest guest]

I've taken Armour at night twice and didn't sleep at all b/c the

Armour stimulated me and kept me up, and then the low cortisol/hypogly

stuff woke me up after I finally fell back to sleep. Those were

miserable nights. That is in contrast to the last month or so that I

was on Synthroid when I started taking it before bed and was sleeping

better than I had in years. Until this last increase of Armour from 1

1/4 to 1 1/2 grains I was dosing 1/2 in the AM, 1/2 at lunch, and that

last 1/4 at around 4PM. Unfortunately, between the three doses of

Armour and, at the time, 5 doses of HC (I'm now back to 4 doses) I

managed to miss the 1/4 one day and felt it for the next day big time

so I decided to go back to 2x/day dosing when I increased again as it

seems that's what most people do. I took my second dose of 3/4 of

Armour about 1/2 hr ago. I'll think about splitting it up and taking

that third dose later, but I can't afford to not sleep at all when I

have to work the next day so I'll have to wait and risk it over the

weekend although I'm pretty much desperate to sleep then to catch up

from the week. The sleep disturbances from these drugs have ended up

being the most persistent side-effect and there doesn't seem to be a

real good answer.

> > One more question for Val on this thread. I'm dosing Armour 2x/day -

> > 3/4 grain first thing in the AM and another 3/4 grain at around 2PM.

> > Is that about right for 2x dosing or should I push that second dose

> > back to around lunch time, or forward for better coverage through the

> > night? I just don't want to over-stimulate myself too late in the day

> > as taking anything with T3 in it in the evening or night has not

>

[Guest guest]

What would cause him to suddenly have low estrogen? It isn't just

overheating, it is hunger too. Wouldn't the more likely reason be

that he isn't tolerating the Armour?

>

> >>I am having the same trouble. I am waking @ 5am. I do not think

my trouble

> is low cortisol though. I wake feeling HOT and I have to throw all

the

> covers off and wait to cool down before I can go back to sleep. I

have high

> cortisol at the midnight reading but in the lower part of the range

in the

> AM. I am on 2.5 grains of Armour, 3 capsules of licorice and 1/2

tsp sea

> salt. Thanks! <<

>

> Sounds liek hot flash or night sweat to me! Get the estrigen

checked. Taking c0rtisol can lower estrogen.

>

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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>

[Guest guest]

>>What would cause him to suddenly have low estrogen? It isn't just

overheating, it is hunger too. Wouldn't the more likely reason be

that he isn't tolerating the Armour?<<

Raising cortisol lowers estrogen. Hot flashes adn night sweats can be symptoms

of this. It is hard to determine if the sweating is form hypoglycemia or low

estrogen but wiht not beoing hungry I would assume is it low estrogen.

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[Guest guest]

You are confusing two different people's insomnia. Ann wakes hot,

but not hungry. She doesn't even take cortisol. But she could be on

too much Armour. wakes hungry, he is hypoglycemic. He is on

too little Armour but is increasing his HC and raising his Armour

slowly.

Barb

> >

> > >>I am having the same trouble. I am waking @ 5am. I do not

think

> my trouble

> > is low cortisol though. I wake feeling HOT and I have to throw

all

> the

> > covers off and wait to cool down before I can go back to sleep.

I

> have high

> > cortisol at the midnight reading but in the lower part of the

range

> in the

> > AM. I am on 2.5 grains of Armour, 3 capsules of licorice and 1/2

> tsp sea

> > salt. Thanks! <<

> >

> > Sounds liek hot flash or night sweat to me! Get the estrigen

> checked. Taking c0rtisol can lower estrogen.

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > What would cause him to suddenly have low estrogen? It isn't

just

> > overheating, it is hunger too. Wouldn't the more likely reason

be

> > that he isn't tolerating the Armour?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Val,

I've been wondering if cortisol affects E levels and vice versa.

Can you point me to any study or writing which discusses this?

>

> Raising cortisol lowers estrogen. Hot flashes adn night sweats can

be symptoms of this. It is hard to determine if the sweating is form

hypoglycemia or low estrogen but wiht not beoing hungry I would assume

is it low estrogen.

>

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[Guest guest]

I wake up usually at 3:00 with what feels like a hot flash and heart

palpitations. For me these are symptoms of really low cortisol. I take an

Isocort when this happens. I'm able to go back to sleep within about 30

minutes. The heart palps and the hot feeling are gone about 20 minutes after I

take the Isocort.

[Guest guest]

http://www.drplechner.com/compendiumpdfs/elestrogen.pdf

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[Guest guest]

That's how I used to wake up but, lately, I wake up at 3AM without out

the palps and hot flash and eventually fall back to sleep. The 5AM

wake-up is the one that I can't beat this week. This morning I got up

and ate a piece of cheese with one pellet of Isocort and still didn't

get back to sleep and then had to get up at 7 anyway.

jason

>

> I wake up usually at 3:00 with what feels like a hot flash and heart

palpitations. For me these are symptoms of really low cortisol. I

take an Isocort when this happens. I'm able to go back to sleep

within about 30 minutes. The heart palps and the hot feeling are gone

about 20 minutes after I take the Isocort.

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