!Re: Re: What I take in one day: Am I killing myself slowly?

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OK, , you have me duly confused with your statements here. WhileI can agree that a lack of stomach acid can make it more difficult to break down certain nutrients, particularly B-12, the digestiveprocess actually continues in the small intestine and most of one'snutrients are actually released into the walls of the intestine.The thing you say that absolutely does not make sense to me is thatif you have problems with GERD, you need more stomach acid, notless. This flies in the face of everything I have ever learned about GERD.Even when you use Nexium or another PPI, it does not totally shutdown the production of stomach acid, just decreases it. And stomach acid traveling in places it does not belong can do a great deal more damage than you may realize, including tooth damage, laryngealdamage, Barrett's Syndrome and even esophageal cancer. Since the only option other than taking PPIs for most GERD patientsis surgery, at this point still fairly major surgery, I for one will stick withthe medication. If B-12 deficiency is thought to be a problem, couldn'tthat be solved with B-12 supplements? And if absorption is lacking,B-12 shots are available, although I doubt that would be necessaryfor most people.Take care,TammyHiOne other thing you might consider is the Prevacid.  Dr seems to think that hypothyroidism and lack of B-12 go hand in hand-and if you are having problems with GERD or acid reflux disease, you need MORE stomach acid, not less.  You can increase that with vitamin B-12 and/or Betaine.  Also, lack of stomach acid makes it much more difficult for your body to derive any nutrients from your food or supplements.  Hope this helps -:)MyIdahoBeachbum  wrote:My Ferritin level was 18, so I started iron. My doc told me ferriitin didnt matter anyway, but try it if I wanted to.  Someone on a forum (I think) told me to take it with C becasue it works better.   Arg. info overload and I still feel like sh**!    at least I can laugh about it today... maybe Ill have another ferritin test next week to see if I need it anymore.   When I feel like devoting a good couple of hours to the internet, Im going to read up on adrenals. Everyone keeps pointing me there, and I dont know anything except I asked for a test a while back, and the doc said it was ok. but, you know how taht goes... thanks! Re: What I take in one day: Am I killing myself slowly?Oh, I just noticed you take both Iron and Vit C - unless you have beendirected by your doctor to take both of those for a very specificreason STOP. Too much iron will give the same symptoms - and vit Cmakes the iron situation stronger - so if your doc said to do it for adisease then check with him first. IF you are only doing it becauseyou felt like trying it, or some one misguidedly said "try iron itwon't hurt "then discontinue it. Excess iron is dangerous. Your bodyhas no way to get rid of excess iron except through loss of blood.Sorry to be a party pooper. -Lynn > >> > Meds and supplements I take each day. Am I doing something wrong > > that might be making me feel worse? I have become even more > fatigued > > the past few days, and have other new symptoms.. but that happens > > sometimes for no reason that I can find.  My labs a month ago were > > TSH zero, Free T3 and FT4 were way at the top of normal range on > the > > labs. My doc upped me from 175 synthroid to 200 synthroid at that > > time. (he wanted to add Cytomel, but I dont tolerate it. Migraines.)> > My list:> > AM: Synthroid, Ritalin, Lexapro> > Lunch time: Ritalin, magnessium, prevacid, CoQ10, evening primrose > > oil, flax oil, iron, C, > > Dinner: CoQ10, evening primrose oil > > Bed Time: Magnessium, multi vit, B complex, calcium> > At various times of the day, every day, I take two packets of > > Threelac and one or two lactobaccilus caps (sp).> > > > If I have extreme leg pain I have to take three advil.> > For headaches or other aches I take two excedrin. Usually every day > > I take this at some point. > > I tried to take two baby asprin a day, but Im not good at > > rememebering and it doesnt help (so I read) if you take it within > 24 > > hrs of Excedrin... and that is the only thing that helps me > > sometimes.> > > > What Ive added most recently is the Evening primrose oil. Within > the > > past 2 weeks or so. I hate to think that is making me worse, as > > everything I read about it sounds great!  I know the Lexapro can > > make you fatigued and I just read that it can cause weight gain. I > > HAVE to be on some kind of anti dep... was thinking about trying > > Welbutrin. Any thoughts or ideas? I feel like Im a bit "pill > > crazy"!!! I dont sleep good. I can fall asleep easy enough but I > > wake up too early and cant go back to sleep. I wake up at 4am > > sometimes, then have a very honery 4 yyr old boy to deal with. I > > tried sleeping pills and they only worked for a whileand not that > > great anyway. Melatonin doesnt work. The supps I take at bedtime > > seem to help the most. I have to add that ALL my hypo symptoms hit > > me the week my brother died of cancer a few years ago. I had a tiny > > bit of weight gain and trouble handeling any big "issues" (like > > child custody after divorce casued a breakdown)before that  and I > > had been on Prozac with no real problems. Then, my brother got sick > > and while watching him die and dealing with everyone else having > > breakdowns, I held together (Im a situation fixer. Always have > > been.) Then when he died I hit the floor. I gained 25 pound in less > > than one week and was a mental mess.(I wasnt eating like abig old > > pig or anything either.) (ok, maybe a little, not not THAT much!)  > > It hasnt stopped yet. I switched to lexapro, but still gaining > > weight like mad. Total, Ive gained about 50 pounds now. I am so fat > > and unhealthy.  I have suspected some "stress switch" flipped on, > or > > off or something that caused me to get where I am today... but no > > doc knows what to tell me.  Sorry for the LONG post. But I just > feel > > like there is an answer. I just need to get the right detail to the > > right person.  Ive posted my story in bits and peices in various > > places. I thought Id post the whole thing this time. The biggest > > advice I get is to try Armour. I did. It was worse. THANK YOU for > > reading this far!!!  > >>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. 

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One thing to ask your doctor about would

be a 24 hour ph probe.  It’s a tube that measures your acid reflux.  I

had one the one time my GERD just got out of control and found out my stomach

was producing 60% more acid than it should be even though I was already on

prevacid…  Otherwise everyone would have been confused.

-Ata

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Re: What I take in one day: Am I killing myself

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Hi

One other thing you might consider is the Prevacid. Dr

seems to think that hypothyroidism and lack of B-12 go hand in hand-and

if you are having problems with GERD or acid reflux disease, you need MORE

stomach acid, not less. You can increase that with vitamin B-12 and/or

Betaine. Also, lack of stomach acid makes it much more difficult for your

body to derive any nutrients from your food or supplements. Hope this

helps -

MyIdahoBeachbum

wrote:

My Ferritin level was 18, so I started

iron. My doc told me ferriitin didnt matter anyway, but try it if I wanted to.

Someone on a forum (I think) told me to take it with C becasue it works better.

Arg.

info overload and I still feel like sh**! at least I can laugh

about it today... maybe Ill have another ferritin test next week to see if I

need it anymore. When I feel like devoting a good couple of hours

to the internet, Im going to read up on adrenals. Everyone keeps pointing me

there, and I dont know anything except I asked for a test a while back, and the

doc said it was ok. but, you know how taht goes... thanks!

Re: What I take in one day: Am I killing myself

slowly?

Oh, I just noticed you

take both Iron and Vit C - unless you have been

directed by your doctor to take both of those for a very specific

reason STOP. Too much iron will give the same symptoms - and vit C

makes the iron situation stronger - so if your doc said to do it for a

disease then check with him first. IF you are only doing it because

you felt like trying it, or some one misguidedly said " try iron it

won't hurt " then discontinue it. Excess iron is dangerous. Your body

has no way to get rid of excess iron except through loss of blood.

Sorry to be a party pooper.

-Lynn

> >

> > Meds and supplements I take each day. Am I doing something wrong

> > that might be making me feel worse? I have become even more

> fatigued

> > the past few days, and have other new symptoms.. but that happens

> > sometimes for no reason that I can find. My labs a month ago

were

> > TSH zero, Free T3 and FT4 were way at the top of normal range on

> the

> > labs. My doc upped me from 175 synthroid to 200 synthroid at that

> > time. (he wanted to add Cytomel, but I dont tolerate it. Migraines.)

> > My list:

> > AM: Synthroid, Ritalin, Lexapro

> > Lunch time: Ritalin, magnessium, prevacid, CoQ10, evening primrose

> > oil, flax oil, iron, C,

> > Dinner: CoQ10, evening primrose oil

> > Bed Time: Magnessium, multi vit, B complex, calcium

> > At various times of the day, every day, I take two packets of

> > Threelac and one or two lactobaccilus caps (sp).

> >

> > If I have extreme leg pain I have to take three advil.

> > For headaches or other aches I take two excedrin. Usually every day

> > I take this at some point.

> > I tried to take two baby asprin a day, but Im not good at

> > rememebering and it doesnt help (so I read) if you take it within

> 24

> > hrs of Excedrin... and that is the only thing that helps me

> > sometimes.

> >

> > What Ive added most recently is the Evening primrose oil. Within

> the

> > past 2 weeks or so. I hate to think that is making me worse, as

> > everything I read about it sounds great! I know the Lexapro can

> > make you fatigued and I just read that it can cause weight gain. I

> > HAVE to be on some kind of anti dep... was thinking about trying

> > Welbutrin. Any thoughts or ideas? I feel like Im a bit " pill

> > crazy " !!! I dont sleep good. I can fall asleep easy enough but I

> > wake up too early and cant go back to sleep. I wake up at 4am

> > sometimes, then have a very honery 4 yyr old boy to deal with. I

> > tried sleeping pills and they only worked for a whileand not that

> > great anyway. Melatonin doesnt work. The supps I take at bedtime

> > seem to help the most. I have to add that ALL my hypo symptoms hit

> > me the week my brother died of cancer a few years ago. I had a tiny

> > bit of weight gain and trouble handeling any big " issues "

(like

> > child custody after divorce casued a breakdown)before that and

I

> > had been on Prozac with no real problems. Then, my brother got sick

> > and while watching him die and dealing with everyone else having

> > breakdowns, I held together (Im a situation fixer. Always have

> > been.) Then when he died I hit the floor. I gained 25 pound in less

> > than one week and was a mental mess.(I wasnt eating like abig old

> > pig or anything either.) (ok, maybe a little, not not THAT much!)

> > It hasnt stopped yet. I switched to lexapro, but still gaining

> > weight like mad. Total, Ive gained about 50 pounds now. I am so fat

> > and unhealthy. I have suspected some " stress switch "

flipped on,

> or

> > off or something that caused me to get where I am today... but no

> > doc knows what to tell me. Sorry for the LONG post. But I just

> feel

> > like there is an answer. I just need to get the right detail to the

> > right person. Ive posted my story in bits and peices in various

> > places. I thought Id post the whole thing this time. The biggest

> > advice I get is to try Armour. I did. It was worse. THANK YOU for

> > reading this far!!!

> >

>

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Hi Tammy If you could eliminate the need for antacids and at the same time, improve your physical condition, wouldnt you consider it?

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Hi Tammy, I agree with .

Seems as if this is another area where traditional doctors

just " don't get it. " I was on aciphex at $6 bucks a pill, which

helped stop the GERD symptoms, but didn't help with absorption

issues –just made them worse amongst other things. We have learned

for whatever reasons to think that acid in our stomachs is the enemy -

- not true! It (acid in our stomachs) IS the first line of defense

we have against disease and the crucial way that we break down foods

so we can absorb healthy nutrients.

The test to see if you have low or high stomach is to swallow a

tablespoon of vinegar when you get heartburn; if you get relief you

have low stomach acid or if you get no relief or the burn intensifies

you have high stomach acid.

See: http://www.wholehealthclinic.com/dis/hypochlorhydria.htm

Also, Sherry MD has written a number of books, like " No more

heartburn " " Detox or Die " " You are what you eat " " Tired or Toxic " and

more. She has been my life support.

I too, thought I had an overload of stomach acid, but that wasn't

true -just the opposite and I naively did as my doctor said and took

the pill, which only multiplied problems with deficient stomach

acid. Now I take a tablespoon of vinegar before meals or drink lemon

water, as I couldn't remember to take Betaine for healthy stomach

acid. Also, you should NOT drink any liquid with a meal, but most

docs don't tell you that either -it dilutes the digestive gases. I

also had Barrett's Syndrome, which can lead to esophageal cancer -but

it has healed and is gone because of proper natural treatment. Now

I absorb nutrients much better.

BTW, my children's pediatrician warned me about the high incidence of

stomach cancer among patients taking acid suppressors. This woke me

up to my digestive problems as well as those of my son. Eventually

we found out, just as Dr. states in his book that allergies

can be the culprit . We are both allergic and cannot tolerate

potatoes in any form. Perhaps that explains why $ynthroid and

Levoxyl made me worse.

Although I haven't taken the time to research the studies, I'll bet

they prove that more incidences of stomach cancer occur in patients

who take acid suppressors.

Becca

>

> Hi Tammy

>

> If you could eliminate the need for antacids and at the same

time, improve your physical condition, wouldnt you consider it?

>