SAD - seasonal rhythm

[Guest guest]

I believe I read somewhere that we have a seasonal rhythm, just like

our daily circadian. The daily causes your temps to start out low,

peak in early afternoon, then decrease so you can fall asleep (in a

normal person anyway).

Well similarly, there's a seasonal rhythm, and we need more thyroid

during the winter (probably to keep us warm), and less during the

summer (or we overheat). In someone like , who is probably

hypothyroid, dark winters would only exacerbate her hypo symptoms like

depression.

, I have to ask why you keep posting to this forum. Val and

others say you're hypothyroid and hypoadrenal, but you insist you're

not, and certainly haven't even tried increasing your HC. When asked

for lab numbers, you don't post them, only say they're in " low range. "

If you have both blood and saliva numbers, they could give you a

definite diagnosis. FT3s could be high in blood, but not necessarily

at cellular level, I know you know this.

Not to be rude, but denial and rationalization will only keep you in

your current state of health. I don't LIKE my current state, which is

why I'm trying different things, on both myself and hubby. If you

don't make any changes, then you must accept the status quo, and have

no grounds to complain.

Barb

" Gikas " wrote:

>

> I believe it's without a doubt SAD and today I'm calling my doc to

prescribe a light box because I cannot take this anymore. I'm also

TRYING to get it covered by my insurance company. I don't even know

how I'm going to cope with dealing with them because this depression

and anxiety is pretty bad. I just keep pushing myself.

>

[Guest guest]

OF COURSE I'M HYPOADRENAL. I've been diagnosed with adrenal insufficiency by an

endocrinologist through an ACTH stimulation test and am on replacement daily

cortisol.

That's why I'm on this group. This is after all an adrenal group; is it not?

As far as hypoT goes, I didn't know one had to know for sure they have

hypothyroidsm in order to be on this group.

If somebody here can tell me how to tolerate thyroid hormone then I will be

happy to take it and make you all happy and fit in better (sorry for the

sarcasm) but my adrenal glands are practically shut down and I cannot function

if I go off my Cortef. So does that give me the right to be part of this group?

Meanwhile, I also had CFS for years and found out a few things that I like

sharing with people incase it helps them. Sorry if that's offending others. I

am very open minded and I have tried taking thyroid hormone and like I said, my

heart races at even 1/8 of a grain. Now should I increase my HC to 40 mgs. a

day just to see if I can take thyroid hormone when I'm not even sure I need it.

At least if I had a TSH of even around 1, I might question if I'm hypo moreso

than a TSH of .35 (which was my last reading) without any thyroid hormone and my

frees are within range (okay could be higher) but this has nothing to do with my

adrenal insufficiency and that is why I'm on this group. If I stop my HC, I'm

like an 's person and I was diagnosed by one of the top endos in this

area, Dr. Lawrence Hotes.

SAD - seasonal rhythm

I believe I read somewhere that we have a seasonal rhythm, just like

our daily circadian. The daily causes your temps to start out low,

peak in early afternoon, then decrease so you can fall asleep (in a

normal person anyway).

Well similarly, there's a seasonal rhythm, and we need more thyroid

during the winter (probably to keep us warm), and less during the

summer (or we overheat). In someone like , who is probably

hypothyroid, dark winters would only exacerbate her hypo symptoms like

depression.

, I have to ask why you keep posting to this forum. Val and

others say you're hypothyroid and hypoadrenal, but you insist you're

not, and certainly haven't even tried increasing your HC. When asked

for lab numbers, you don't post them, only say they're in " low range. "

If you have both blood and saliva numbers, they could give you a

definite diagnosis. FT3s could be high in blood, but not necessarily

at cellular level, I know you know this.

Not to be rude, but denial and rationalization will only keep you in

your current state of health. I don't LIKE my current state, which is

why I'm trying different things, on both myself and hubby. If you

don't make any changes, then you must accept the status quo, and have

no grounds to complain.

Barb

" Gikas " wrote:

>

> I believe it's without a doubt SAD and today I'm calling my doc to

prescribe a light box because I cannot take this anymore. I'm also

TRYING to get it covered by my insurance company. I don't even know

how I'm going to cope with dealing with them because this depression

and anxiety is pretty bad. I just keep pushing myself.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and all

I am confused now.I was thinking it was only primary('s) and secondary

adrenal insufficiencies that were diagnosed by acth stim test. I don't know

where I learned this but I thought adrenals of adrenal exhausted persons gave

response to acth stim test(although test is too heavy for them and worsens their

condition). Am wrong in this? Does AE show up at acth stim test?

bw

Nil

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

OF COURSE I'M HYPOADRENAL. I've been diagnosed with adrenal insufficiency by

an endocrinologist through an ACTH stimulation test and am on replacement daily

cortisol.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I believe it's without a doubt SAD and today I'm calling my doc

to

> prescribe a light box because I cannot take this anymore. I'm

also

> TRYING to get it covered by my insurance company. I don't even

know

> how I'm going to cope with dealing with them because this

depression

> and anxiety is pretty bad. I just keep pushing myself.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Sorry if I misunderstood. I thought that you thought I didn't have adrenal

problems and wondered why I was here. Why would a person with hypoT have a TSH

of .35 and frees in the normal range? I'm willing to discard all tests, but I

don't want to go on that high a dose of cortisol. I'm on 22.5 per day and

that's where I feel comfortable staying. I appreciate everyone's help. I have

always been prone to SAD and always got a bid down as soon as fall came, it's

just that this year has been much worse. I think the fact that we had summer

almost into October here in Boston (extremely unusual) and then went right into

darkness/cold/wet and no sunshine (also unusual) has only exacerbates this for

me. Today I tried something different. I turned on every light in the house

since I woke up (I usually wasn't doing that) and sitting in dimness with very

little light outside too and I noticed it has made a difference already and am

feeling up to going out and driving to a scheduled appt. I have at 4. I need to

get those bulbs and start asap.

Thanks again,

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

> >

> > I believe it's without a doubt SAD and today I'm calling my doc

to

> prescribe a light box because I cannot take this anymore. I'm

also

> TRYING to get it covered by my insurance company. I don't even

know

> how I'm going to cope with dealing with them because this

depression

> and anxiety is pretty bad. I just keep pushing myself.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, if you continue to hold onto TSH as an indicator of your thyroid

function and think it has " nothing to do with " your adrenal insufficiency

and that increasing HC is not something you are willing to try, I think you

will continue to be stuck in your current state. You said you are open to

things. Consider increasing HC. If you are at a later stage of adrenal

fatigue, you need more HC. I am at 30 mgs Isocort and it is still not enough

for me. I am stage 7. You will never tolerate thyroid meds until you get

your adrenals in better shape. You should also consider you might have

conversion problems causing you issues too.

Did you also join the thyroid group?

Cheri

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

I'm not even sure I need it. At least if I had a TSH of even around 1, I

might question if I'm hypo moreso than a TSH of .35 (which was my last

reading) without any thyroid hormone and my frees are within range (okay

could be higher) but this has nothing to do with my adrenal insufficiency

and that is why I'm on this group. If I stop my HC, I'm like an 's

person and I was diagnosed by one of the top endos in this area, Dr.

Lawrence Hotes.

.

[Guest guest]

I'd like to ask another question. If I am currently unable to tolerate even 1/8

of a grain while on 22.5 mgs. HC, how much will I likely be able to tolerate by

raising to 30 mgs. Might I then be able to tolerate 1/8 of a grain, and if so,

how much of a difference would that make? Wouldn't the same thing keep

happening each time I tried to raise my dose even if I went from 22.5 to 30?

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

> >

> > I believe it's without a doubt SAD and today I'm calling my doc

to

> prescribe a light box because I cannot take this anymore. I'm

also

> TRYING to get it covered by my insurance company. I don't even

know

> how I'm going to cope with dealing with them because this

depression

> and anxiety is pretty bad. I just keep pushing myself.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Why would a person with hypoT have a TSH of .35 and frees in the normal

range?<<

pITUITARY DYSFUNCTION FROM LOW THYROID WILL DO THIS. AND FREES IN THE NORMAL

RANGE MEANS NOTHING. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE MOST OF US HRE HAD FREES IN NORMAL

RANGE WHEN WE WERE AT OUR SICKEST.

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[Guest guest]

>>I'd like to ask another question. If I am currently unable to tolerate even

1/8 of a grain while on 22.5 mgs. HC, how much will I likely be able to tolerate

by raising to 30 mgs. Might I then be able to tolerate 1/8 of a grain, and if

so, how much of a difference would that make? Wouldn't the same thing keep

happening each time I tried to raise my dose even if I went from 22.5 to 30? <<

Doesn't work that way! Once oyu get to a good dose of cortisol, thta is YOUR

good dose and you shoudl be able to SLOWLY raise thyroid until you are no longer

hypo.

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[Guest guest]

During an ACTH stim test, first the endo takes your blood. Then he injects you

with ACTH and takes it again an hour later. This is supposed to send a msg to

the adrenals to produce cortisol. Mine didn't do that so he diagnosed me with

adrenal insufficiency and put me on daily cortisol even though I had already

been on it for almost two years. I'm just on a higher dose now. He explained

to me that this means I have no reserves and I would not be able to produce

necessary cortisol during illness or accident, trauma etc and need to wear

med-alert stuff, which I do and he instructed me on how to stress dose.

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

OF COURSE I'M HYPOADRENAL. I've been diagnosed with adrenal insufficiency by

an endocrinologist through an ACTH stimulation test and am on replacement daily

cortisol.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. so,to me that means you have secondary adrenal

insufficiency and an endocricologist can work with you. I am wondering what

would be acth stim test result of adrenal exhausted person? Would it still be

detectable by acth test?Or would it be detectable at some levels? like 6 or 7?

bw

Nil

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

During an ACTH stim test, first the endo takes your blood. Then he injects

you with ACTH and takes it again an hour later. This is supposed to send a msg

to the adrenals to produce cortisol. Mine didn't do that so he diagnosed me

with adrenal insufficiency and put me on daily cortisol even though I had

already been on it for almost two years. I'm just on a higher dose now. He

explained to me that this means I have no reserves and I would not be able to

produce necessary cortisol during illness or

[Guest guest]

No thi smeans she has PRIMARY adrenal insufficiency, primary is caused by

adrenal failure. Secondary means the low cortiosl is caused by low ACTH or

pituitary failure. MOST people will stim SOME cortisol with adrenal fatigue and

if the doctor is strickly looking for ANY response, he will say you are fine. If

it does nto DOUBLE it tells me it si very weak adrenals as the stuff they inject

is not ACTH but a synthetic ACTH that is about 200 times as potent as your own

ACTH would be. In opther words if the adrenakls CAN respond at all they will.

Thanks for the info. so,to me that means you have secondary adrenal

insufficiency and an endocricologist can work with you. I am wondering what

would be acth stim test result of adrenal exhausted person? Would it still be

detectable by acth test?Or would it be detectable at some levels? like 6 or 7?

bw

Nil

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

During an ACTH stim test, first the endo takes your blood. Then he injects

you with ACTH and takes it again an hour later. This is supposed to send a msg

to the adrenals to produce cortisol. Mine didn't do that so he diagnosed me

with adrenal insufficiency and put me on daily cortisol even though I had

already been on it for almost two years. I'm just on a higher dose now. He

explained to me that this means I have no reserves and I would not be able to

produce necessary cortisol during illness or

--

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http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I hope you aren't saying you are thinking of just upping from 22.5 mg

straight to 30 mg HC? You need to graph your 3 x day temp averages to

tell you when you are on enough HC to try thyroid. For me it was very

hard to wait for that, but I'm glad I did wait to get to stable temps

for two reasons, 1) I didn't want to go over my LTD of HC, and 2) I've

still had a few bumps working up my T3 dose. Which shows me I still have

little to no cortisol reserves built up, and/or still have RT3 clogging

up the works.

You keep mentioning " grain " so I guess you only mean Armour and

haven't considered T3? The way I accidentally confirmed I had adrenal

fatigue was by trying to increase my Armour dose and finding I could

not. The longer I tried increasing and then having to drop back the

worse I felt. I was not as reactive as you are, but the fact of not

toleratiing natural thyroid did mean I had to treat adrenals first, as

Val says. After getting my saliva test results, I started the very slow

ramp up HC dosing per the dosing schedule. Turns out my adrenals were

worse than I thought, and I have Hashi's too, and probably low

aldosterone. From what I've read about Hashi's it fluctuates as the

antibodies aren't always in active attack. I think it can really confuse

things as we try to figure out dosing. The aldosterone also makes

trouble, LOL.

I sympathize with you on not wanting to go higher on your HC. But do

check your temps and see what those tell you about adrenal status. And

as others have mentioned, check ferritin, and vit D, too. I began to get

worried when I got to 22.5 mg HC with temps still all over the place.

When I increased to 25 mg at first nothing changed, but when I changed

my dosing around (still at 25 mg) a bit after a few days, temps suddenly

did go stable.

sol

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much for this information.

Just curious how does aldosterone contribute to one getting hyper

symptoms/intolerance to thyroid hormone?

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

Hi ,

I hope you aren't saying you are thinking of just upping from 22.5 mg

straight to 30 mg HC? You need to graph your 3 x day temp averages to

tell you when you are on enough HC to try thyroid. For me it was very

hard to wait for that, but I'm glad I did wait to get to stable temps

for two reasons, 1) I didn't want to go over my LTD of HC, and 2) I've

still had a few bumps working up my T3 dose. Which shows me I still have

little to no cortisol reserves built up, and/or still have RT3 clogging

up the works.

You keep mentioning " grain " so I guess you only mean Armour and

haven't considered T3? The way I accidentally confirmed I had adrenal

fatigue was by trying to increase my Armour dose and finding I could

not. The longer I tried increasing and then having to drop back the

worse I felt. I was not as reactive as you are, but the fact of not

toleratiing natural thyroid did mean I had to treat adrenals first, as

Val says. After getting my saliva test results, I started the very slow

ramp up HC dosing per the dosing schedule. Turns out my adrenals were

worse than I thought, and I have Hashi's too, and probably low

aldosterone. From what I've read about Hashi's it fluctuates as the

antibodies aren't always in active attack. I think it can really confuse

things as we try to figure out dosing. The aldosterone also makes

trouble, LOL.

I sympathize with you on not wanting to go higher on your HC. But do

check your temps and see what those tell you about adrenal status. And

as others have mentioned, check ferritin, and vit D, too. I began to get

worried when I got to 22.5 mg HC with temps still all over the place.

When I increased to 25 mg at first nothing changed, but when I changed

my dosing around (still at 25 mg) a bit after a few days, temps suddenly

did go stable.

sol

[Guest guest]

>>Just curious how does aldosterone contribute to one getting hyper

symptoms/intolerance to thyroid hormone?<<

SOme people get some Glucocorticoid activity form Florinef, I certainly got ALOT

from it. Although I have no tread abotu Aldosterone being tied into thyroid

utilization, I feel certain it is, as thyroid affects fluid retentiona and

aldosterone also affects fluid in the body they almost MUST work together., I

have also seen several (at least 5) people that could not get their temps to

stabilize and could not tolerate thyroid uintil they addressed their low

aldosterone.

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[Guest guest]

I've got to get copies of the tests of my aldosterone levels but haven't been up

for doing this. Is it likely that a low aldosterone person would never be or

feel thirsty? When I force myself to drink water, I feel awful. It's like my

body rejects it. I also feel awful when I eat bananas. I also feel

uncomfortable standing up straight still or sitting up straight still as if the

blood doesn't flow right up to my head. Are these signs of low aldosterone?

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

>>Just curious how does aldosterone contribute to one getting hyper

symptoms/intolerance to thyroid hormone?<<

SOme people get some Glucocorticoid activity form Florinef, I certainly got

ALOT from it. Although I have no tread abotu Aldosterone being tied into thyroid

utilization, I feel certain it is, as thyroid affects fluid retentiona and

aldosterone also affects fluid in the body they almost MUST work together., I

have also seen several (at least 5) people that could not get their temps to

stabilize and could not tolerate thyroid uintil they addressed their low

aldosterone.

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[Guest guest]

n Behalf Of Gikas

When I force myself to drink water, I feel awful. It's like my body

rejects it.

That is because if you are low in sodium plain water can actually be

dangerous. You can actually kill yourself from too much water. I thought I

was so dehydrated and kept drinking water and it was making me sicker

because I didn't have the sodium and the water was causing even more salt

loss.

Salt water actually would replenish it, however, I cannot tolerate salt

water. I have to take salt directly on my tongue and swallow, then follow by

a small amount of water.

I also feel awful when I eat bananas.

That is because the potassium in bananas is too much for your body to

handle if you already have an imbalance and are low on sodium.

Tests for both are not always accurate either because the longer you are

fatigued your body will lower both to balance but they can still show up in

range. That happened to me .

I also feel uncomfortable standing up straight still or sitting up

straight still as if the blood doesn't flow right up to my head.

Again, that is low sodium. You blood pressure gets. So yes, these are all

signs of low Aldosterone.

Cheri

Are these signs of low aldosterone?

.

[Guest guest]

I can answer from my own experience that I could not raise Armour by

even 1/8 while on 20mg or more of Isocort, but, since getting on HC

and getting my dose of HC up close to where it needs to be which,

right now is 27.5mg/day (I think that I need a little more but I'm

waiting to give this dose and the schedule that I'm on a little more

time before going to 30mg), I have been able to go from less than 1/2

grain/day to 1 1/2 grains per day in less than a month and 3/4 grain

of that has been over the past 10 days since I got up to 27.5mg of HC.

Ask anyone here how I struggled for the month of November.

No one but you will know how much more thyroid you can tolerate and

you won't know that until you try it. Based on everything that you

have written so far, I don't see you having any chance of success with

it at the dose of HC that you are at. We also have no idea how your

thyroid is doing b/c you persist in telling us your TSH, which no one

here pays attention to, and telling us that your frees are " normal "

without sharing the values and their ranges. My frees are " normal "

too but my TSH was 13 at last count and I'm hypoT as hell. If you

want to benefit from this group's collective knowledge, and as a

relative newb I don't consider myself part of the knowledge base yet,

you need to share your labs so that people can help you. Or you can

stay and read and post which is fine to - the more the merrier, but if

you're as sick as you say I don't see what you have to lose by

providing the info and listening to these experienced people.

Puzzled.

>

> I'd like to ask another question. If I am currently unable to

tolerate even 1/8 of a grain while on 22.5 mgs. HC, how much will I

likely be able to tolerate by raising to 30 mgs. Might I then be able

to tolerate 1/8 of a grain, and if so, how much of a difference would

that make? Wouldn't the same thing keep happening each time I tried

to raise my dose even if I went from 22.5 to 30?

[Guest guest]

>>Is it likely that a low aldosterone person would never be or feel thirsty?

When I force myself to drink water, I feel awful. It's like my body rejects it.

I also feel awful when I eat bananas. I also feel uncomfortable standing up

straight still or sitting up straight still as if the blood doesn't flow right

up to my head. Are these signs of low aldosterone?<<

Not drinking water is deifinitely a sympotm as that would further dilute your

already too low sodium.

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[Guest guest]

>> Tests for both are not always accurate either because the longer you are

fatigued your body will lower both to balance but they can still show up in

range. That happened to me .<<

This is because the balance is SO critical tothe proper functioning of the body

that the blood VOLUME will actually be lowered to keep the levels in the proper

range. Thsi si when you REALLy feel bad from low sodium!

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[Guest guest]

This is exactly what I'm going to try to do now.

Re: SAD - seasonal rhythm

I can answer from my own experience that I could not raise Armour by

even 1/8 while on 20mg or more of Isocort, but, since getting on HC

and getting my dose of HC up close to where it needs to be which,

right now is 27.5mg/day (I think that I need a little more but I'm

waiting to give this dose and the schedule that I'm on a little more

time before going to 30mg), I have been able to go from less than 1/2

grain/day to 1 1/2 grains per day in less than a month and 3/4 grain

of that has been over the past 10 days since I got up to 27.5mg of HC.

Ask anyone here how I struggled for the month of November.

No one but you will know how much more thyroid you can tolerate and

you won't know that until you try it. Based on everything that you

have written so far, I don't see you having any chance of success with

it at the dose of HC that you are at. We also have no idea how your

thyroid is doing b/c you persist in telling us your TSH, which no one

here pays attention to, and telling us that your frees are " normal "

without sharing the values and their ranges. My frees are " normal "

too but my TSH was 13 at last count and I'm hypoT as hell. If you

want to benefit from this group's collective knowledge, and as a

relative newb I don't consider myself part of the knowledge base yet,

you need to share your labs so that people can help you. Or you can

stay and read and post which is fine to - the more the merrier, but if

you're as sick as you say I don't see what you have to lose by

providing the info and listening to these experienced people.

Puzzled.

>

> I'd like to ask another question. If I am currently unable to

tolerate even 1/8 of a grain while on 22.5 mgs. HC, how much will I

likely be able to tolerate by raising to 30 mgs. Might I then be able

to tolerate 1/8 of a grain, and if so, how much of a difference would

that make? Wouldn't the same thing keep happening each time I tried

to raise my dose even if I went from 22.5 to 30?

[Guest guest]

Gikas wrote:

> Thanks very much for this information.

>

> Just curious how does aldosterone contribute to one getting hyper

symptoms/intolerance to thyroid hormone?

>

I don't think it does that, and don't even know if it CAN do that. It

does complicate things symptom-wise, though, as when we are trying to

sort all this, anything that imposes its own symptoms or fluctuations

into the mix just makes it harder to figure out what is happening in

response to meds. I'm trying salt water, and plan to get aldosterone and

renin tested when I can so I will really know if I have hypoaldosterone

or not. I don't have all of the symptoms, only some.

Here is some info:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=581

http://www.bio.ilstu.edu/rubinlab/endocrinology/lectures/Lectures_10 & 11-Adrenal_\

Cort.pdf

sol

[Guest guest]

This is exactly what I'm going to try to do now.

Morning

I am so glad to read that you have made a leap in your understanding of th

adrenal/thyroid 'tango'.

I am still strugglling to understand it all myself.

Good luck with your next step in your recovery.

Mo

[Guest guest]

I had a amino acid test done 1/31/07 ,and it was helpful because I am low in

Taurine, histaidine, tyrosine, lysine and ornithine . Low in amino acids can

also cause faitgue I was told.

And are you eating protein with every meal? Or is it an absoption issue do

you think?

Mo

[Guest guest]

Mo I am right with you. I have gained so much knowledge ,but I am in the

tango as well lol . I can not get why my EBV levels are so high still ,after so

couple years. I have no hair loss, I have thick hair thank goodness. I do have

paler skin, like I look sick,which started with the EBV. My nails are strong,

but I pick at them. I just found a free t4 test back from 1998 that said I was

0.73 and the TSH was 2.07 and total T3 was 1.13.

I am just checking all past labs I can find, and trying to see were the ball

was dropped. I am realzing even though at that time I saw a good doc that

clearly he let some things slide ,because even back then I was low in RBC,

sodium on most my tests was and is still low , Pottasium on the lower side .

I had a amino acid test done 1/31/07 ,and it was helpful because I am low in

Taurine, histaidine, tyrosine, lysine and ornithine . Low in amino acids can

also cause faitgue I was told.

a

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

This is exactly what I'm going to try to do now.

Morning

I am so glad to read that you have made a leap in your understanding of th

adrenal/thyroid 'tango'.

I am still strugglling to understand it all myself.

Good luck with your next step in your recovery.

Mo