Re: How can we pay for medical care if we're not healthy enough to work!

[Guest guest]

I exhausted my bank account and then my credit YEARS ago trying to

get a doctor to help me. When I was in debt over $150,000 and could get

no more credit and barely able to work to support myself I just stopped

going to doctors. I was told then I had mess than 2 years to live. Since

then I have been studying and self treating which is all I can afford to

do and doiung a better jpob if it than I think ANY doctor could have

done for all the money in the world. Runningout of fundss in effect

saved my life. SO hang in there it is not always the end of the world to

not see doctors for this illness! BTW that 2 years to live was 12-13

years ago,, can't remember which now. But long enough I definitely got

the last laugh and my credit is finally coming back too! LOL

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[Guest guest]

Good for you Val!! People like you will put the medical doctors right where

they belong

OUT OF BUSINESS!!

Re: How can we pay for medical care if we're not

healthy enough to work!

I exhausted my bank account and then my credit YEARS ago trying to

get a doctor to help me. When I was in debt over $150,000 and could get

no more credit and barely able to work to support myself I just stopped

going to doctors. I was told then I had mess than 2 years to live. Since

then I have been studying and self treating which is all I can afford to

do and doiung a better jpob if it than I think ANY doctor could have

done for all the money in the world. Runningout of fundss in effect

saved my life. SO hang in there it is not always the end of the world to

not see doctors for this illness! BTW that 2 years to live was 12-13

years ago,, can't remember which now. But long enough I definitely got

the last laugh and my credit is finally coming back too! LOL

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Wow- Val, what were you diagnosed with where they said you had two

years to live?

>

> Good for you Val!! People like you will put the medical doctors

right where they belong

> OUT OF BUSINESS!!

> Re: How can we pay for medical care if

we're not healthy enough to work!

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>

> I exhausted my bank account and then my credit YEARS ago

trying to

> get a doctor to help me. When I was in debt over $150,000 and

could get

> no more credit and barely able to work to support myself I just

stopped

> going to doctors. I was told then I had mess than 2 years to

live. Since

> then I have been studying and self treating which is all I can

afford to

> do and doiung a better jpob if it than I think ANY doctor could

have

> done for all the money in the world. Runningout of fundss in

effect

> saved my life. SO hang in there it is not always the end of the

world to

> not see doctors for this illness! BTW that 2 years to live was 12-

13

> years ago,, can't remember which now. But long enough I

definitely got

> the last laugh and my credit is finally coming back too! LOL

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I can SO relate. I make a choice between my supplements and doing tests

myself versus paying a doctor since I don't have medical insurance and even

when I did the premiums killed me. I have spent my life savings on trying

to figure out what was wrong with me and treat so I can SO relate. And like

it or not I have to start a new job in a few months...not even knowing if I

can handle it or not. If I were healthy I could make that money back...start

over. But trying to start over middle aged when your health is keeping you

down seems hopeless sometimes. I have been self employed but we don't get

the tax breaks the big corporations do so the cost to do business is so much

higher plus to really make enough you have to put in a lot of hours...not

easy to do when suffering.

If ever I get wealthy enough I want to start a foundation to specifically

help people with just this thing. Trying to get on disability is a nightmare

for the chronically ill. And the foundations I have checked into do not

provide enough help.

Cheri

How can we pay for medical care if we're not

healthy enough to work!

This urks me! I don't get how these docs can charge through the roof ,

when the patients that are seeking there care cannot work due to severe

fatigue and such. I don't understand how people afford to go to doctors

at all when they cannot work to pay for it. Im carely able to work

myself. I can work at home, but havent found much, and opting to find a

good doc that will test everything and ensure the best treatment for my

problems...is so difficult when I call and find out even the intial

visit is 295 an hour or 395 up front!!!

Anyone else face this problem? How did you afford to get started with

one of these docs that don't accept insurance?

.

[Guest guest]

And that was because of adrenals?addisons? thyroid? both?

Wow! Im glad there are folks like you that are out here helping

people.

>

> >.Wow- Val, what were you diagnosed with where they said you had

two

> years to live?<<

>

> Congestive Heart Failure, BP 245/148, Cholesterol >600

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I've said the same thing. Im only 23! When I get well... I'm going to

devote my life to making a difference with this (thyroid/adrenal

problems). I want to battle the insurance aspect of it. I don't

understand why insurance companies argue with the fact of having an

hour or so consultation. Or at least thats what the holistic docs say

as to why they cannot accept insurance.

>

> ,

> I can SO relate. I make a choice between my supplements and doing

tests

> myself versus paying a doctor since I don't have medical insurance

and even

> when I did the premiums killed me. I have spent my life savings on

trying

> to figure out what was wrong with me and treat so I can SO relate.

And like

> it or not I have to start a new job in a few months...not even

knowing if I

> can handle it or not. If I were healthy I could make that money

back...start

> over. But trying to start over middle aged when your health is

keeping you

> down seems hopeless sometimes. I have been self employed but we

don't get

> the tax breaks the big corporations do so the cost to do business

is so much

> higher plus to really make enough you have to put in a lot of

hours...not

> easy to do when suffering.

>

> If ever I get wealthy enough I want to start a foundation to

specifically

> help people with just this thing. Trying to get on disability is a

nightmare

> for the chronically ill. And the foundations I have checked into do

not

> provide enough help.

>

> Cheri

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, so I guess I've just learned something. I guess when the heart isn't

working properly and going into failure that BP goes up to compensate. Is that

correct?

Re: Re: How can we pay for medical care if we're not

healthy enough to work!

>.Wow- Val, what were you diagnosed with where they said you had two

years to live?<<

Congestive Heart Failure, BP 245/148, Cholesterol >600

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Insurance companies find every way to screw you over because they are about

one thing, profit for the CEOs and top executives. It's called murder by

spreadsheet. I was an executive in a big corporation...I know the game all

too well regardless of the industry. And what really, really ticks me off is

our tax dollars are giving them huge subsidies in the form of corporate

welfare (billions) on top of what we pay for premiums and we are still

denied. We are paying them to keep us sick. It is about as corrupt as one

can imagine and every friend working in the industry from claim evaluators,

to drug researchers to physicians says the same thing. I know a woman who

was in charge of denying claims, then when she got sick, her OWN claim was

denied. Kind of poetic justice.

I don't know if you have ever seen the movie Sicko. I am not a fan of the

guy but for those of us who have had to navigate this horrible system,

the message cannot be denied that we need a complete overhaul. More and more

people I know are going to Mexico for their healthcare.

Cheri

Re: How can we pay for medical care if we're not

healthy enough to work!

I've said the same thing. Im only 23! When I get well... I'm going to

devote my life to making a difference with this (thyroid/adrenal

problems). I want to battle the insurance aspect of it. I don't

understand why insurance companies argue with the fact of having an

hour or so consultation. Or at least thats what the holistic docs say

as to why they cannot accept insurance.

[Guest guest]

>>And that was because of adrenals?addisons? thyroid? both?<<

Mostly Synthroid treated hypo but i suspect my cortiosl was through the roof

high then too. though it was certainly NEVER tested!

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Oh, so I guess I've just learned something. I guess when the heart isn't

working properly and going into failure that BP goes up to compensate. Is that

correct<<

Nope. BP was high from several things, fluid retention (BIG TIME) from Myxedema

Coma and dehydration from low sodium and possibly high cortisl though it was not

confirmed. Cholesterol cloggin g the arteries causes high BP too as well as

extra work for the heart. HYPO was the biggest problem though as it caused the

chest dfluid that smothers the heart in CHF adn then the heart enlarges trying

to do it's work and then it si considered terminal, AND incurable! They are

wrong, the heart has amazing healing abilities if you give it what it needs to

do so. I did I gave it sodium in the sea salt and lots of T3 to rebuild the

muscle and lower the cholesterol. When these things corr4cted the heart returned

to normal size and though I feel it is not as strong as someone else's heart it

is functioning normally now.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

I am about to join you. We can no longer afford to pay for our health

ins which does not cover anything out of the hospital. We learned

recently when DH was hospitalized with AF that they do not cover most

of the tests IN the hospital. I am forced to cancel the policy so

that we will have some funds to pay out of pocket. I have found

myself in the position of being forced to learn to self treat for

both DH & I.

I cannot tell you how grateful I am that you are sharing what you know

with all of us.

Thank you

Gale & DH

>

> I exhausted my bank account and then my credit YEARS ago

trying to

> get a doctor to help me. When I was in debt over $150,000 and could get

> no more credit and barely able to work to support myself I just stopped

> going to doctors. I was told then I had mess than 2 years to live.

Since

> then I have been studying and self treating which is all I can

afford to

> do and doiung a better jpob if it than I think ANY doctor could have

> done for all the money in the world. Runningout of fundss in effect

> saved my life. SO hang in there it is not always the end of the

world to

> not see doctors for this illness! BTW that 2 years to live was 12-13

> years ago,, can't remember which now. But long enough I definitely got

> the last laugh and my credit is finally coming back too! LOL

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I don't know about going to Mexico for Medical care. A vacation

would be nice, but I'd be scared I'd come home sicker than before.

I wonder how many people have started fighting against insurance

agencies about this matter, at least to get holistic care approved

more. There has to be some folks out there that have tried to make a

difference. There are so many people suffering from thyroid and

adrenal issues, and words now starting to get out about proper

treatment. I believe almost every other condition you can imagine is

linked to the endocrine system, meaning the more research the better.

Also, there is no place to go and get information like this other

than on the net. I keep thinking about the people who don't have the

internet. THere needs to be an informational non-profit business

center to hold live support groups and a place where people can walk

out with a pamplet of information about there specific needs. Funding

for something like this is impossible though. I've looked into it a

little bit, and seems hopeless unless I make it non-profit and raise

money for some foundation by telemarketing, or events.

All I can hope for is my kid doesn't have the same problem. I'm going

to go spend my tax money for a doctor, and I BETTER GET BETTER. I

found a few off the top michigan thyroid doctor site, so they better

be good. I've done my homework on most of them. DARG! It just urks

me, how the world came to this. A few years back, I was so carefree

and life was a party, and now am realizing how unfair things are

really set up.

>

> Insurance companies find every way to screw you over because they

are about

> one thing, profit for the CEOs and top executives. It's called

murder by

> spreadsheet. I was an executive in a big corporation...I know the

game all

> too well regardless of the industry. And what really, really ticks

me off is

> our tax dollars are giving them huge subsidies in the form of

corporate

> welfare (billions) on top of what we pay for premiums and we are

still

> denied. We are paying them to keep us sick. It is about as corrupt

as one

> can imagine and every friend working in the industry from claim

evaluators,

> to drug researchers to physicians says the same thing. I know a

woman who

> was in charge of denying claims, then when she got sick, her OWN

claim was

> denied. Kind of poetic justice.

>

> I don't know if you have ever seen the movie Sicko. I am not a fan

of the

> guy but for those of us who have had to navigate this

horrible system,

> the message cannot be denied that we need a complete overhaul. More

and more

> people I know are going to Mexico for their healthcare.

>

> Cheri

>

>