Re: pulse pause?

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In a message dated 12/24/2004 6:51:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

success62211@... writes:

Merry Christmas to all,

I went into afib last night and have developed a new trick! After a

sequence of the whooshka, whooshka, boom, boom my heart seems to stop

for 2 seconds and then start up again. This brings with it a

decidedly " yuk " feeling. Has anyone out there experienced this or

know what it may be. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Looks like no Christmas cheer of the alcoholic type for me!

I am 41 yr old,on 200mg flecainide and aspirin:)

I am assuming you have had a complete cardiac physical -this is usually a

" skipped " beat which is also know as a premature beat-They can be part of the

affib irregular rhythm whereby these premature beats are mixed in with the

affib or they can be alone without affib- the pause feeling which feels as if

there is no pulse/heartbeat is actually a premature beat which often cause a

sensation of a " skipped beat " or " flip-flop. " What are really felt are not the

premature beats themselves but rather the forceful beat that follows the pause

after the premature beat. During the pause, the heart has more time to fill with

blood making the next beat more forceful. Premature beats are sometimes but

not always associated with other arrhythmias.They can be diagnosed thru holter

monitor tests or ekgs

Premature beats may originate from anywhere in the heart. The most common

form of premature beat seen in daily practice is a premature contraction

originating in the ventricle (PVC =premature ventricular contraction). Premature

contractions in the atria (PAC) are also rather common.-Hope this helps- They

are

" benign and nothing to worry about- Jerry

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>

> Merry Christmas to all,

> I went into afib last night and have developed a new trick! After a

> sequence of the whooshka, whooshka, boom, boom my heart seems to

stop

> for 2 seconds and then start up again. This brings with it a

> decidedly " yuk " feeling. Has anyone out there experienced this or

> know what it may be. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

> Looks like no Christmas cheer of the alcoholic type for me!

> I am 41 yr old,on 200mg flecainide and aspirin:)

Here

the usual pattern of heart beat in Af after a bit of accommodation is

to have pauses in what seems like a fast normal pattern ,

What is happening is that the atrium is firing but not pumping or

doing effective work (fibrillation) at a very high rate (over 300

times a minute ), the heart can not keep up, so the stimulus to

trigger a beat is not taken up by the ventricles because it is not in

the state where it is ready to fire again (requires repolarization).

So it is quite common to have a run of fast pulses of 5 10 or 15 or

other numbers followed by a misses beat or possibly what seems like

two missed in a row.The significance of these changes are probably

not great.

It is possible for the drugs to add some unusual pulse architecture

and also affecting the QRS (P from the atrium is usually absent).

NSR whole food lifestyle .

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Snip >>>>usually a

> " skipped " beat which is also know as a premature beat-They can be

part of the

> affib irregular rhythm whereby these premature beats are mixed in

with the

> affib or they can be alone without affib- the pause feeling which

feels as if

> there is no pulse/heartbeat is actually a premature beat which

often cause a

> sensation of a " skipped beat " or " flip-flop. " What are really felt

are not the

> premature beats themselves but rather the forceful beat that

follows the pause

> after the premature beat. During the pause, the heart has more time

to fill with

> blood making the next beat more forceful. Premature beats are

sometimes but

> not always associated with other arrhythmias.They can be diagnosed

thru holter

> monitor tests or ekgs

> Premature beats may originate from anywhere in the heart. The most

common

> form of premature beat seen in daily practice is a premature

contraction

> originating in the ventricle (PVC =premature ventricular

contraction). Premature

> contractions in the atria (PAC) are also rather common.-Hope this

helps- They are

> " benign and nothing to worry about- Jerry

Here

Jerry PAC and PVC are isolated events within a normal sinus rhythm

pulse . The P wave is normaly present, that is the atrium is working

(not fibrillating) and the change is largely seen as timeing change,

they are you say beneign . Our friend said he was in AF and his

discription is consistent with AF.This is entirely different from the

events you discribe.If the atrium is fibrillatig then the P wave is

absent and one is now exposed to all the issues of AF (not benign)

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> ...... my heart seems to stop

> for 2 seconds and then start up again.

My cardiologist tells me that during that pause, which I also observe,

my heart is afibbing and the rapid pulse is too weak to feel. The

missed pulse beat may be as often as every third beat or only every

tenth beat. During this state, I feel a loss of energy, and as I have

posed earlier, I immediately eat a couple of lumps of crystaline

ginger and if possible lay down. I have had pretty consistant results

with reversing an afib event in 20 to 30 minutes this way. Often

early in the morning when I am still mostly asleep, my wife cuddles

with her head on my chest, and on some occasions she hears an afib.

Then she tells me to eat some ginger, which I now keep in a jar at

bedside. I have been less successfull with splashing cold water on my

face, a afib reversing method suggested by a Family Doctor.

I often check my pulse at my temple, instead of my wrist, for I find

that easier for me. When standing and afibbing I may be unable to

find my pulse at all there. Fortunately with my ginger therapy, and

another diet method which I will report soon, my afib is pretty much

under control, unless the " insults " that set it off, have been rather

excessive. As long as I prevent the " insults " and use my diet

supplement methods, my afib has dropped from 3 times a week to less

than 1 time a week.

The bothersome " insults " for me are the same as reported in the survey

as the most common for everyone: excess alcohol, excess caffeine, and

excess stress. My alcohol insult was as little as one beer, before I

discovered the benefit of taking ginger, and shows up 12 to 18 hours

afterwards. When I am taking ginger, I easily tollerate 3 beers

without a problem.

I am a 72 year old man, have had afib problems for 4 years, who

exercises regularly, either hiking or skiing in the local mountains.

Curiously, afib is very rare when I am exercising. I also have

arthritis and controlling its pain is a complicaiton. As I am on

blood thinners for the afib, my choice in pain medicines for the

arthritis is quite limited, so I tend to use a couple of beers to numb

out the arthritis pain. Before I discovered the benefits of ginger,

that method of pain control would set off an afib event the next day.

Life was pretty misserable then.