Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Hi, I had a visit with a new EP in Honolulu the other day and he was very helpful and gave me a lot of good information about vagal afib and about alternatives to dofetilide which I've been on since Sep 11, 2001. One of the questions I asked him was why when I cut out sugars and starch for a couple of days, my body goes into Ketosis when it starts burning fat directly. The good news is that on the low sugar low carp diet I can lose weight (and it lowers my cholesterol too!). but the bad news is that as soon as I go into ketosis, I start having afib episodes. So I asked the EP why that was and he said it was because ketosis is keto-acidosis and as the body becomes more acidic it's more prone to afib. I never really thought about that before. Has anyone in here researched that route? Has anyone tried to see if changing the acid/akalai balance in your body made a difference? I got some pH strips and I'm pegging the chart on the acidic side; at the health food store I saw some " ph drops " that are supposed to akalyse your body... I don't know if that's a bunch of snake oil or what. any feedback? Aloha Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 > > Hi, I had a visit with a new EP in Honolulu (snip) So I asked the EP why that was and he said it was > because ketosis is keto-acidosis and as the body becomes more acidic > it's more prone to afib. > > I never really thought about that before. > > Has anyone in here researched that route? Has anyone tried to see if > changing the acid/akalai balance in your body made a difference? here The whole area of PH in the body is a bit controversial. The whole food community have presented a complex and sometimes contridictory therory of Acid (PH ) and acid causing foods.In this view the following things are acid forming and should be avoided sugars(empty carbs ), meats, high-fat, dairy ,alcohol,(and otehrs) I will not go into detail here but acid things like rasberries are not acid forming in this view . There is a book I previously identified that is tring to bring a better science to this subject. Unfortunately I have lost the reference right now " PH and Diabedes, another is " Stop Inflammation Now " Your personal observation is consitent with a new rising concern about Low Carb craze. In genreal the best way to overcome this problem is to go to a whole food diet . lots of veg.some raw food see my recent link to a Dr Dean Ornish's page. Be suspicious of snake oil solutions which unfortunately are adequately represented in health food stores. The idea that you can adjust PH by a " drop " is part of the " PILL " world and is not part of the whole food aproach to healthy eating. My success is significantly attributable to my anti inflammatory ,high alkaline (opposite to acid ) diet . I am pleased and surprised that your EP is aware of this connection . Please ask him to publish on this subject soon (we need a revolution in prevention of Af now.) NSR 1.9 years (after 9 months in persistent AF ). no anti- arrhythmics etc. Whole food lifestyle. see link: http://content.health.msn.com/content/pages/9/3068_9408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 In a message dated 12/24/04 10:40:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, jpowell@... writes: > as the body becomes more acidic > it's more prone to afib. > Wow, I never heard that before. I have been highly acidic since birth. I get rashes if I sweat ... as a baby (back in land, summer, very humid) my mom had to leave me naked a lot cuz my skin would go raw from heat even in a dry diaper. I went " off the charts " on an acid test one time. I can't wear silver jewelry as the acidity on my skin will eat right through it and cause bad skin reactions as well. I can't eat grapefruit or raw pineapple as they are acidic AND acid producing (tomatoes and oranges, on the other hand, are acidic but produce enough alkaline to offset their own acidity ... lucky me since I like both). I never even thought of a correlation between how acidic I've always been and a-fib. I'll need to research this more. What an interesting twist on this annoying condition. Toni CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 In a message dated 12/31/04 10:17:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, jpowell@... writes: > Anyway I started spreading my magnesium dose around the day ~500 mg > morning, 250 noon and another 500 mg night time, Jim ... does that dosage give you the runs? I'm taking 200 mgs. 3x a day ... and I increase it (usually double it) if I go into a-fib or if I have a lot of PACs or PVCs (I can't tell the difference) that sometimes precede an attack. When I double it I tend to get the runs, which to me is a dandy trade-off and I don't much care about it. My doc (regular doc, internist) said to try to keep it under 1200 a day, but I didn't ask why since I don't usually take that much a day. What was your doc's input? I'm glad it's working for you ... and maybe why it works for me is because I'm so acidic and it helps balance me .... I never tested for pH as I had no idea it could contribute to a-fib. This is interesting new information. Thanks. Toni CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Thanks for your feedback, both of you. I did try, as an experiment, to take some baking soda -- that didn't seem to be a great solution so then I started taking a bit more magnesium -- I had already cleared the idea of taking magnesium supplements with my doctor a long time ago when I heard that this might have an impact on afib... no one ever mentioned that a connection might have to do with pH balance. Anyway I started spreading my magnesium dose around the day ~500 mg morning, 250 noon and another 500 mg night time, and test my pH, it is much less acidic; I had been pegging the bottom of the chart on the pH test strip but with the extra mag it moved more to the neutral (with the baking soda it seemed to swing much more wildly towards the heavy base side of things. In any event it SEEMS to have made a difference in my afib, but I think it's too soon to tell. I'll report back after a couple of weeks. Thanks everyone for the feedback. Jim > > Hi, I had a visit with a new EP in Honolulu the other day and he was > very helpful and gave me a lot of good information about vagal afib > and about alternatives to dofetilide which I've been on since Sep 11, > 2001. > > One of the questions I asked him was why when I cut out sugars and > starch for a couple of days, my body goes into Ketosis when it starts > burning fat directly. The good news is that on the low sugar low carp > diet I can lose weight (and it lowers my cholesterol too!). > > but the bad news is that as soon as I go into ketosis, I start having > afib episodes. So I asked the EP why that was and he said it was > because ketosis is keto-acidosis and as the body becomes more acidic > it's more prone to afib. > > I never really thought about that before. > > Has anyone in here researched that route? Has anyone tried to see if > changing the acid/akalai balance in your body made a difference? > > I got some pH strips and I'm pegging the chart on the acidic side; at > the health food store I saw some " ph drops " that are supposed to > akalyse your body... I don't know if that's a bunch of snake oil or what. > > any feedback? > > Aloha > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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