Correct doses of CoQ10 + Carnitine

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have been using the Carnitor and Q Gel for a month consistently and finding it is helping. I am trying to get the doses right and not finding it easy.

My doctor suggested starting with 1 330mg tab of Carnitor 3x a day, and then every two weeks increasing it to 2 3x a day and then finally 3, 3x a day. I can't remember what she told me about the Q Gel.

I have tried introducing 2 at a meal and find I was having diarrhea. Of course, not sure that is the cause, as I could find other things to suspect. Anyone have trouble increasing the dose?

Also I am confused about the Q Gel. I have read that using the carnitine actually sets in motion metabolic changes, that calls for the need of antioxidants. Therefore the Q Gel is important to take with it. But If I can work up to 3 tabs of 330mg, 3x a day....that is a LOT of carnitine. I am wondering how much Q Gel to take.

Anyone out there taking a lot of both?

Thanks,

Adam

[Guest guest]

I have a question regarding the dosage of Co Q too. I just increased the dosage,

since I am in this crash, but since there is Vit. E in

with the CoQ I am thinking I may be taking too much vitamen E. Should I try and

find some CoQ without Vit E so I don't overdose on

the E. Is it possible to overdose on the E- or does it sort of work along with

the Qgel. By the way, I thought last nights chat was very

interesting, Celia-

-- In , AdamM321@a... wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I have been using the Carnitor and Q Gel for a month consistently and finding

> it is helping. I am trying to get the doses right and not finding it easy.

>

> My doctor suggested starting with 1 330mg tab of Carnitor 3x a day, and then

> every two weeks increasing it to 2 3x a day and then finally 3, 3x a day. I

> can't remember what she told me about the Q Gel.

>

> I have tried introducing 2 at a meal and find I was having diarrhea. Of

> course, not sure that is the cause, as I could find other things to suspect.

> Anyone have trouble increasing the dose?

>

> Also I am confused about the Q Gel. I have read that using the carnitine

> actually sets in motion metabolic changes, that calls for the need of

> antioxidants. Therefore the Q Gel is important to take with it. But If I can

work up to

> 3 tabs of 330mg, 3x a day....that is a LOT of carnitine. I am wondering how

> much Q Gel to take.

>

> Anyone out there taking a lot of both?

>

> Thanks,

> Adam

[Guest guest]

Adam,

The Q-Gel comes in several doseages and formulas. I have attached info

from www.epic4health.com that is Tishcon's (Q-

Gel's distributor).

Unlike most other forms of Coenzyme Q-10, our

patented, hydrosoluble Q-Gel® CoQ10 passes the test for dissolution.

Most other forms of CoQ10 exhibit dissolution levels of less than 1%. (Compare

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months NOT years as required with many other forms of CoQ10.

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and cardiologists.

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•

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• R. B. Singh, M.D., FACN, President, International College of

Nutrition said: "Q-Gel

Coenzyme Q10 softgels provide an immediate boost in blood CoQ10 levels

and therapeutic levels exceeding 2.5 mcg/ml within weeks as revealed by

research data."

• Q-Gel® absorption is not dependent on the

food you eat or proximity to meals and provides effective serum levels

at lower dosages.

• Q-Gel® is the only Coenzyme Q10 supplement formulated via the

patented Bio-Solv® technology.

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including MELAS syndrome, MERRF syndrome, and Kearnes-Sayre syndrome.

All of which can cause heart disturbances, dementia, movement

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thought to be caused by problems in the mitochondria, structures that

produce energy in the body's cells. The heart contains the single

largest concentration of CoQ10 in the body.

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Q-Gel Mega 100

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Sale price: $41.00

L-Carnitine and

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Regular price: $49.95

Sale price: $23.50

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CoQ10 Dissolution

Claims

Heart Failure and

Q-Gel CoQ10

CoQ10 and Statin

Drugs

Coumadin and CoQ10

Titanium dioxide

in Q-Gel? Why??

Medium chain

triglycerides in Q-Gel CoQ10. Safe?

tto Seed

Extract in Q-Gel. Why?

Soy in Q-Gel

CoQ10?

Propylene Glycol in

Q-Gel CoQ10?

Is Q-Gel an Organic

CoQ10?

Has Q-Gel CoQ10

gone through chemical processing to make it hydrosoluble?

Q-Gel products to

be verified by The United States Pharmacopeia (USP)

NSF Certification

GMP Certification

Is Q-Gel the most

powerful CoQ10?

Q-Gel CoQ10 uses

only Kaneka Q10

AdamM321@... wrote:

Hi Laurie,

Thanks for letting me know what has been recommended to you. I am not

clear on the Q Gel dose though. My understanding is that there are two

forms of Co Q10 you can take. Regular CoQ10, which comes in 90-120mg

doses, and Q Gel which comes in doses of 30mg but are equal to the 90mg

of the regular.

You said you are taking 2400mg 4x a day??

If it is the Q Gel as you indicated , and the dose of each cap is 30mg,

that would mean taking 80 capsules 4x a day. Is that what you are

saying?

Thanks,

Adam

In a message dated 2/27/2004 1:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Adam

For Carnitor, 3 tabs 3X a day is the normal dose for an adult. I take

that,

along with 2400 mg Q-gel 4X a day. That is a very high dose, but it is

what

I need and I did the increases in consultation with my doctors. My

mother

has diahhrea and the MDA neuro who knows lots about mito had her

increase

her Q-gel.

Good luck with getting the dose right. You may need to make increase

more

slowly.

laurie

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[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

>

> When you say 100 mgs of Q Gel, that is the capsule that usually have the

30mg

> dose? When you say it effected your heart rate, in what way? Did this

> change the longer you took it?

>

> Thanks,

> Adam

It's an actual 100mg capsule. I get it from www.epic4health.com

It seemed like I had episodes of a racing heart when I first started taking

over-the-counter Q10, years ago. Then a couple of years later when I

started taking OTC l-carnitine, the first day I had a terrible episode of

tachycardia. It's hard to say if this was a coincidence, or what. Now

that I take the Q-Gel and Carnitor, I don't have these problems.

I happen to have 2 separate heart conditions that effect heart rate. One is

caused from mito, which slows the heart down; and the other is a congenital

defect, which can cause tachycardia. Ugh!

If you know, or suspect that you have heart issues, you may want to keep an

eye on your heart rate and pressure while starting out on these supplements.

You asked about dizziness. Because of the heart racing, I did feel somewhat

dizzy and disoriented. It's so hard to say what or how reactions are

caused. I think that mito, itself, can cause dizziness for some people.

I hope this didn't cause you even more confusion : /

B