Re: symptoms symptoms everywhere

June 19, 2006

wrote:

As it turns out the hair loss was caused by something

else so I may up the T2 to 150 mcg again (I am getting

quite tired at the moment).

I think this is important information for all of us —

I have seen many folks lean towards believing that all symptoms

are hypo or hyper related when they aren’t necessarily,

and can stop us from getting help we need in

other areas of our health and bodies. I belong

to a few other health boards and it’s amazing how they also attribute ALL

of their symptoms to that particular disorder as well –

and the thing is that almost all of them are identical to the ones here on the

thyroid board and I just can’t help but think we need to take a step back sometimes

and realize that none of us have great days every day and none of us go without allergies,

or digestive problems or tiredness, insomnia, etc. at SOME points in our lives- -

my 12 year old daughter has bad days and she is not hypo or hyper

or menopausal or a host of other disorders that any of us may have.

When we do eat right, sleep right, exercise enough and eliminate stress and still feel like crap,

well then there’s a problem somewhere but it may not always be thyroid and I think knowing

that can free us up to improve or get help in other areas of our lives.

That’s just my two cents for the day/week/month?

Sue.

June 20, 2006

I'm afraid I could not agree with you less on this point. And I think it is

dangerous to tell people that their symptoms are not all thyroid related,

and have them running after shadows, spending thousands on treating symptoms

rather than the root cause. The thyroid hormone is the basis of all life !

It is used by every single cell in the body. Every cell needs it, the right

quantity of it, to function correctly. If there is too much or too little,

nothing will function as it should and you will have an amazing number of

sypmtoms - things you wouldn't dare go and talk to your doctor about for

fear of being laughed at. Like biting your tongue in the night ? - hypo, the

tongue swells. Like ingrowing toenails ? - hypo, all nails become deformed.

Yes, you could put these things down to something else, but the root problem

is the thyroid. My wonderful doctor says, if the thyroid doesn't work,

nothing works ! I spent years and years before diagnosis, running from

doctor to doctor, spending all my money trying new treatments, thinking I

had a thousand different ailments, and nothing worked. Since I've been on

Armour, all my symptoms are gradually fading away. Anyone doubting this

should read Dr Broda book. His theories work.

Lili

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: <The_Thyroid_Support_Group >

>Subject: Re: symptoms symptoms everywhere

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:44:40 -0500

>

> wrote:

>As it turns out the hair loss was caused by something

>else so I may up the T2 to 150 mcg again (I am getting

>quite tired at the moment).

>

>I think this is important information for all of us ‹

>I have seen many folks lean towards believing that all symptoms

>are hypo or hyper related when they aren¹t necessarily,

>and can stop us from getting help we need in

>other areas of our health and bodies. I belong

>to a few other health boards and it¹s amazing how they also attribute ALL

>of their symptoms to that particular disorder as well

>and the thing is that almost all of them are identical to the ones here on

>the

>thyroid board and I just can¹t help but think we need to take a step back

>sometimes

>and realize that none of us have great days every day and none of us go

>without allergies,

>or digestive problems or tiredness, insomnia, etc. at SOME points in our

>lives- -

>my 12 year old daughter has bad days and she is not hypo or hyper

>or menopausal or a host of other disorders that any of us may have.

>

>When we do eat right, sleep right, exercise enough and eliminate stress and

>still feel like crap,

> well then there¹s a problem somewhere but it may not always be thyroid

>and

>I think knowing

>that can free us up to improve or get help in other areas of our lives.

>

>That¹s just my two cents for the day/week/month?

>

>Sue.

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June 20, 2006

You know.....I had no idea I had symptoms of anything when I found

out I had hypo. My doctor thought it was about time for a full blood

workup because I had just turned 20. A few weeks later I get a call

and I'm told I'm hypo and need to come in and get on meds. It was a

total shock to me but really made me feel better when I wasnt even

aware I was feeling crappy. I guess I chalked it up to my first

semester living on a college campus and a hectic sophomore 1st

semester. Boy was I ever wrong!

> >As it turns out the hair loss was caused by something

> >else so I may up the T2 to 150 mcg again (I am getting

> >quite tired at the moment).

> >

> >I think this is important information for all of us ‹

> >I have seen many folks lean towards believing that all symptoms

> >are hypo or hyper related when they aren¹t necessarily,

> >and can stop us from getting help we need in

> >other areas of our health and bodies. I belong

> >to a few other health boards and it¹s amazing how they also

attribute ALL

> >of their symptoms to that particular disorder as well

> >and the thing is that almost all of them are identical to the ones

here on

> >the

> >thyroid board and I just can¹t help but think we need to take a

step back

> >sometimes

> >and realize that none of us have great days every day and none of

us go

> >without allergies,

> >or digestive problems or tiredness, insomnia, etc. at SOME points

in our

> >lives- -

> >my 12 year old daughter has bad days and she is not hypo or hyper

> >or menopausal or a host of other disorders that any of us may have.

> >

> >When we do eat right, sleep right, exercise enough and eliminate

stress and

> >still feel like crap,

> > well then there¹s a problem somewhere but it may not always be

thyroid

> >and

> >I think knowing

> >that can free us up to improve or get help in other areas of our

lives.

> >

> >That¹s just my two cents for the day/week/month?

> >

> >Sue.

>

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June 20, 2006

>

I'm afraid I could not agree with you less on this point. And I

think it is

> dangerous to tell people that their symptoms are not all thyroid

related,

> and have them running after shadows, spending thousands on treating

symptoms

> rather than the root cause.

-

You are certainly entitled to your opinion-but I can tell you with utmost certainty that not EVERY SINGLE THING that bothers you or anyone on this planet is thyroid-related, particularly IF you are in treatment with a qualified doctor and on proper dosage of medicine.

One thing I notice, every time I even TRY to put a positive outlook on life, health, eating — SOMEONE jumps on me IMMEDIATELY to tell me how wrong I am and it’s all Thryoid —BUT ---if I give valuable information – like how blood tests are affected by taking or not taking meds before blood draw — NOT ONE PERSON (other than Topper) has a single nice thing or positive feedback for me. Just so you know, I don’t like it — I can’t change it and I don’t understand it, but I don’t appreciate it.

I have read books – studied the disease of the thyroid until I was exhausted and then gone back and studied some more – I have changed doctors, changed meds and had a gamut of tests. But let’s face the facts — we are all getting older, ALL of us and age is one thing MANY, not all, of us have in common — start reading on the process of aging and you will find that some hair loss, or aches and pains are NORMAL and there’s no need to magnify them by putting them under a microscope.

I am nearly 50 years old and while I would LOVE to feel as pain free and ache-free as I was when I was 20, it’s not going to happen — but we can take an active part in our health — and you are doing yourself a GRAVE injustice if you think doctors and books are going to make you have a pain-free, trouble-free life — it doesn’t work like that and there are a MULTITUDE of other diseases out there — pick up the Merck Manual sometime and you will get a small idea of how many things go wrong with the body that are NOT thyroid related.

Sue

June 20, 2006

There ya go — and that’s what I was saying — when you have identified the disease and when you are being PROPERLY TREATED, you WILL feel better.

Sue

You know.....I had no idea I had symptoms of anything when I found

out I had hypo. My doctor thought it was about time for a full blood

workup because I had just turned 20. A few weeks later I get a call

and I'm told I'm hypo and need to come in and get on meds. It was a

total shock to me but really made me feel better when I wasnt even

aware I was feeling crappy. I guess I chalked it up to my first

semester living on a college campus and a hectic sophomore 1st

semester. Boy was I ever wrong!

------------

June 20, 2006

Hi E,

Yes, thanks, I really do put a lot of thought into what I say and do

and know that while the thyroid is the “engine’ of our bodies,

I have also done a lot of research and worked with some nutritionists

and a biologist who have clearly shown me that the adrenal glands

actually are a precursor to thyroid health and if we can get those corrected,

many thyroid diseases/symptoms will actually subside or even go away.

There’s so much to all of this and we each must find our own path.

Thanks,

Sue

Hey Sue:

Oh...I see. Well, what you have to say there sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I would venture the guess there are plenty of hot-button issues surrounding all things thryoid, and these things can rare there heads here from time to time.

As you say...hairloss and premature aging could be tell-tale signs of thyroid imbalance or not. Then of coursem one has to decide what constitutes hairloss or permature aging. After all, we all lose hair every day...we all age every day. LOL:)

Keep up the good work Sue...you sound very thoughtful about all this.

~E:)

June 20, 2006

> The other point I was trying to make, is that if most people on

here are on

> treatment for thyroid and still feel like crap, how, if ever, can

we help

> them feel better or get well? I don¹t think either T3, T4, or

Armour is a

> cure-all for any of us ‹ so I just think it¹s a shame to depend

only on

> thyroid treatment for wellness. And it makes me sad to think

everyone here

> will suffer a lifetime and not know why ‹ or not get good

treatment.

>

> I could be way off base, but I know at almost 50 my body is aging

and I

> will feel the affects of that.

>

> Sue

>

You are on track.. my Aunt has Arthritis and Hep C.. she does the

samething but then her doctor also does the same thing to her.. it

is all related to the liver or the Arthritis..she is tired, it is

her arthritis, she can not sleep it is her arthritis..she catches a

cold it is her liver and nothing gets treated properly. I have told

her to go get iron and B12 levels checked and her doc told her it

was just her arthritis, no tests run..

When I was 18 I got really ill..her doctor told me it was Arthritis,

it runs in the family..I could not move with out it hurting and

barely had strength to feed myself..2 weeks later I went off the

birthcontrol pill so I could start some other med he wanted me on,

well that cured me..not the other med, never started it..I did not

have arthritis and proper testing, x-rays from another doc

determined that I do not have any type of arthritis..it was a side

effect of the pill..so I can not take B/C pills. This same doc who

put me on B/C 3 months earlier was willing to write me of as

Arthritis with out even a test as it runs in the family. I switched

docs, my aunt won't..after all this doc has arthritis and

understands her..

Kats3boys

June 20, 2006

Hi Kats,

Thanks, you totally and definitely get what I was/am saying...I appreciate your input.

Sue

> The other point I was trying to make, is that if most people on

here are on

> treatment for thyroid and still feel like crap, how, if ever, can

we help

> them feel better or get well? I don’t think either T3, T4, or

Armour is a

> cure-all for any of us — so I just think it’s a shame to depend

only on

> thyroid treatment for wellness. And it makes me sad to think

everyone here

> will suffer a lifetime and not know why — or not get good

treatment.

>

> I could be way off base, but I know at almost 50 – my body is aging

and I

> will feel the affects of that.

>

> Sue

>

You are on track.. my Aunt has Arthritis and Hep C.. she does the

samething but then her doctor also does the same thing to her.. it

is all related to the liver or the Arthritis..she is tired, it is

her arthritis, she can not sleep it is her arthritis..she catches a

cold it is her liver and nothing gets treated properly. I have told

her to go get iron and B12 levels checked and her doc told her it

was just her arthritis, no tests run..

When I was 18 I got really ill..her doctor told me it was Arthritis,

it runs in the family..I could not move with out it hurting and

barely had strength to feed myself..2 weeks later I went off the

birthcontrol pill so I could start some other med he wanted me on,

well that cured me..not the other med, never started it..I did not

have arthritis and proper testing, x-rays from another doc

determined that I do not have any type of arthritis..it was a side

effect of the pill..so I can not take B/C pills. This same doc who

put me on B/C 3 months earlier was willing to write me of as

Arthritis with out even a test as it runs in the family. I switched

docs, my aunt won't..after all this doc has arthritis and

understands her..

Kats3boys

June 20, 2006

My dear Sue,

I'm so sorry if I upset you ! It was not my intention, my intention was, as

always, to try and help. I very rarely reply to posts here - only if I have

very certain knowledge or feel very strongly about something. And feeling

strongly, I'm sometimes a bit brusque. And, having spent a lifetime of being

told that my symptoms were not thyroid related, but 'something else', I feel

very strongly about this. I am now 61, and am well aware of the aging

process. I am also aware that a hell of a lot of people have aged better

than me ! In any case, what exactly is the aging process ? It is the

diminishing activity of the thyroid. That's all. And at 50, you shouldn't be

feeling as old as all that - 50 is young ! So, having felt 90 for the past

ten years at least, I am hoping now to make up for a little lost time. lol

And I certainly do not rely on doctors and medicine for my health, I too

have done a lot of research. And, in my journey to enlightenment, I have

consulted some of the worst, most incompetant, most insulting doctors on

this earth ! And it's only after many years, this March, that I finally

found the intelligent - and hypo - doctor I have now. I am also aware that

there are many, many illnesses that can plague the humane body. But why ?

What causes them ? Are we obliged to suffer them ? Or is an inefficient

thyroid the root of all these illnesses as many immenant doctors believe ?

The theory sounds logical to me, humble and untrained patient that I am.

You say : 'not EVERY SINGLE THING that bothers you or anyone on this

>planet is thyroid-related, particularly IF you are in treatment with a

>qualified doctor and on proper dosage of medicine.' But the number of

>people that have a 'qualified doctor' and are on 'proper dosage of

>medicine' I should imagine is very small. You must realise just how few

>doctors know the first thing about this disease, no ? And even a lot of

>them that do know something about it are terrified of giving us the doses

>that we need - because a lot of us really do need huge doses. Most doctors

>are afraid of replacement hormones. That is a fact. They think that the

>patient is going to have a heart attack or something else equally dreadful

>if they give us enough, and they talk about the dangers of going hyper

>without really knowing what this means. Yes, did say that her

>hair falling out was due to 'something else', but she didn't tell us what,

>or why she thought so, or what she did about it. It remains unproved.

You writ : 'One thing I notice, every time I even TRY to put a positive

outlook on life,

>health, eating ‹ SOMEONE jumps on me IMMEDIATELY to tell me how wrong I am

>and it¹s all Thryoid ‹BUT ---if I give valuable information like how

>blood

>tests are affected by taking or not taking meds before blood draw ‹ NOT ONE

>PERSON (other than Topper) has a single nice thing or positive feedback for

>me. Just so you know, I don¹t like it ‹ I can¹t change it and I don¹t

>understand it, but I don¹t appreciate it.' I would just like to say that I

>understand your feelings here, but you shouldn't take it personally. I

>should imagine that it happens to all of us, and it is only human nature to

>behave in that way - we are far more likely to react to the negative than

>to the positive. Please, don't let it get you down. I'm sure that all these

>people to whom you give this valuable information are suitably grateful,

>even if they don't say so. And, you know, getting upset about little things

>is a thyroid symptom in itself.

So, please, please don't take this to heart. Try and keep a sense of

preportion about it all. Ask yourself if your doctor really knows what he's

talking about ????? And is your dose of hormone really optimal ????

I wish you joy in your life, and good health,

lili

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: <The_Thyroid_Support_Group >

>Subject: Re: Re: symptoms symptoms everywhere

>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:30:59 -0500

>

> >

>I'm afraid I could not agree with you less on this point. And I

>think it is

> > dangerous to tell people that their symptoms are not all thyroid

>related,

> > and have them running after shadows, spending thousands on treating

>symptoms

> > rather than the root cause.

>

>-

>

>You are certainly entitled to your opinion-but I can tell you with utmost

>certainty that not EVERY SINGLE THING that bothers you or anyone on this

>planet is thyroid-related, particularly IF you are in treatment with a

>qualified doctor and on proper dosage of medicine.

>

>One thing I notice, every time I even TRY to put a positive outlook on

>life,

>health, eating ‹ SOMEONE jumps on me IMMEDIATELY to tell me how wrong I am

>and it¹s all Thryoid ‹BUT ---if I give valuable information like how

>blood

>tests are affected by taking or not taking meds before blood draw ‹ NOT ONE

>PERSON (other than Topper) has a single nice thing or positive feedback for

>me. Just so you know, I don¹t like it ‹ I can¹t change it and I don¹t

>understand it, but I don¹t appreciate it.

>

>I have read books studied the disease of the thyroid until I was

>exhausted

>and then gone back and studied some more I have changed doctors, changed

>meds and had a gamut of tests. But let¹s face the facts ‹ we are all

>getting

>older, ALL of us and age is one thing MANY, not all, of us have in common ‹

>start reading on the process of aging and you will find that some hair

>loss,

>or aches and pains are NORMAL and there¹s no need to magnify them by

>putting

>them under a microscope.

>

>I am nearly 50 years old and while I would LOVE to feel as pain free and

>ache-free as I was when I was 20, it¹s not going to happen ‹ but we can

>take

>an active part in our health ‹ and you are doing yourself a GRAVE injustice

>if you think doctors and books are going to make you have a pain-free,

>trouble-free life ‹ it doesn¹t work like that and there are a MULTITUDE of

>other diseases out there ‹ pick up the Merck Manual sometime and you will

>get a small idea of how many things go wrong with the body that are NOT

>thyroid related.

>

>Sue

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June 20, 2006

Hi Liliane Wise,

You have not offended me – I just offer a different point of view.

I am truly sorry you have not, as you say, aged as well as you could have,

and I admit to nagging my 45 year old husband about his

“not so good aging” habits all the time.

What is aging? A natural process – but we can either do it well or poorly, speed it up or slow it down.

For instance, my dear sweet husband does not get proper sleep –his choice to stay up and watch late night TV, he eats RIGHT before he falls off to sleep, does not exercise AT ALL and so -- he feels like crap a lot of the time.

Do I think it’s thyroid? I admit, at first, yeah, I did — but we both went for physicals and his numbers are perfect — very low TSH and good T3F and T3F. His cholesterol is high, he is somewhat overweight and inactive— is that all Thyroid when you look at his eating/activity habits? Heck NO –but it is an epidemic in our country.

For those of us that have the hashis, the hypo, the hyper, the noduels, goiters and such — I can’t see a point to attributing every ailment to that because most folks have been on their meds and still feel like crap – in fact, I think I have only heard of one, maybe two that even feel good at all — almost ever! That’s pretty discouraging and I would hate for all members- old and new to feel there’s just no getting better... We need to treat our thyroid and then move on to the other areas of our body and health that need treating and TLC.

Again, just my thoughts and opinions