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This is such a huge decision. And the decision is different for different

families. I will try to answer your questions by giving you the reasons why we

decided to go with this.

First of all, yes, CI is forever. What I mean by that is once it is done you

can never go back. You destroy any residual hearing in that ear. So if you

implant and then decide that it wasn't for her then you can not use a hearing

aid in that ear. So it will change her life forever.

Now for us that was not a bad decision. We had our daughter bilaterally

implanted about 1 1/2 years ago and she is doing just awesome. She was getting

the most from her hearing aids but really wasn't able to hear enough to be able

to use speech. We did try sing language but she did not like it. She refused

to sign. But would try to use her voice. This was the reason that we chose to

look into implants. So Annika will never be the same as before. But now she

can talk and she can hear. Yes, it is a more mechanical sound(or so I am told)

but she doesn't know any different.

This is kind of my simplistic explanation in the difference between hearing aids

and CI's. With aids the sound is amplified, all of it. With the CI, she hears

but in a different way. But to her this is what hearing is like. She doesn't

remember anything different(she lost her hearing at 2 1/2 months old).

Now for devices. I think to just say that they all work and that is what is

important. We have the Advanced Bionics Hi Res implant. We chose this one for

very personal reasons. We liked it better than the others for us. But also

because it was the one implant that her CI center had the most experience with.

Now if we wanted the other one all that would mean would be to either switch CI

centers or do it anyway. It is not like they don't have any experience with the

other one but just not as much.

As far as problems later on. Yes, the implant will fail in her lifetime. That

is something that you can probably count on but that just means she will have to

go back and reimplant. I am not trying to make this a small issue because it

really is not something you wish to happen. But for us the risk is not a big

deal in comparison to her being able to hear and listen and speak. There are

days I have to remind myself that she is deaf. She can't hear me without the

implants. She can talk with her implants on or off(she is just an incredible

lip reader already). Now yes there is a difference she cannot hear with them

off.

What is so neat for us is that there was a day that people would notice that she

was deaf(either because we signed or she wasn't able to hear sounds) but now

people notice her physical delays (she has spastic cerebral palsy) and hardly

ever question her " buttons " on her head. Most people just think that they are

some hair pretties. Totally amazing to us.

I think that is all your questions. I hope this helps.

Mom of 4

Marcus 14

13

Jon 11

Annika 3

bilaterally implanted 3/1/04

hookup 3/25/04

spastic diaplegic CP

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In a message dated 6/22/2005 7:47:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

muneeba_mahmood@... writes:

I want to ask u what r the perfered divices

used in CI and secondly is CI is for ever? like If

once she had it then she will have no problem in her

operated ear later on?? how many of u think that

hearing thru CI is far more better then listening thru

hearing aid, ( definitly it is not going to be that

clear but the other one is machanically

voice)?????????

Muneeba,

First of all, there are no stupid questions on this list. Almost all of the

parents on this list had a point in our lives when we knew almost nothing

about hearing loss or deafness. We all asked questions of anyone who might be

able to help us learn. I asked questions of anyone and everyone who I thought

might be able to help me to help my son. And by sharing what we learned, we

help the newer parents learn. It is much friendlier and easier than trying to

sort out all the technical information from all the different doctors. Doctors

are great, but their technical explanations can be overwhelming.

As the other parents have already said, a CI is forever. By implanting the

CI device into the ear, the inner ear, the cochlea is basically destroyed. That

is why a CI is suggested only after it is found that there is little or no

help from wearing hearing aids. After the operation, when the child cannot

wear the CI (like when they are swimming) they are deaf. But you cannot wear a

hearing aid when swimming either, so that is not a big difference.

A CI is an electronic device. When we found out that our son, Ian, could

become a candidate, he started calling it the " computer for my ears " and " the

computer in my head. " But it is not a little computer voice repeating what it

hears. It takes the sound and stimulates the nerves. It replaces the cochlea

(inner ear) in the process of getting the sound impulses to the auditory nerve.

It is not a little robot voice. The CI does not talk. It replaces the

cochlea. A CI skips past the eardrum and middle ear and brings the impulses

right

to the auditory nerve which passes that info to the brain which interprets the

impulses as sounds.

It does sound different to what we hearing-people hear, but I am told that

after a while, it does not seem to be different at all. I know this because I

asked my own silly questions.

Our son started losing his hearing around kindergarten, so he use to hear

just fine. He requested that I ask people on this list how the sound was

different. The funniest response was that right after getting the CI, one lady

thought it sounded like " a Smurf underwater " but after a very short time, she

stopped noticing anything odd and it was just normal sounds because her brain

had adjusted. If the time comes that Ian can get a CI, then he will be able to

tell me what the difference is.

Please ask more questions. If anything we have said does not make sense to

you, or if you want more information, just ask. We are here to help, as well as

to learn.

Best -- Jill

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Hi Muneeba,

I am a mom with a sever to profoundly deaf daughter. I can give you

the point of view from a family who chose not to get a CI. No matter

what choices we make we all still have children with hearing loss.

With hearing aids, or implants our lives have been changed forever.

I think when making such a decision it's important to think about

what device or method will work best for your family and the way you

live your life. Doctors are very quick to make the choice for us,

but they are not the ones to live with the choice.

The first thing I did upon finding out about my daughter hearing

loss was research. I went out and found organizations, conferences,

and fun events where I could meet other people with hearing loss. I

needed desperately to understand what it meant to be deaf. Everyone

around me was full of information. The teachers, doctors,

audiologist, but none of them had a hearing loss. Once I spoke with

various deaf adults and children, and began educating myself on

the " culture " I was able to breath again. I knew that no matter what

choice we made our daughter could live a happy and successful life.

For our family we decided that we could not make such a major

decision that involves surgery and physically changing her body for

our daughter. We feel very strong that once she is older and fully

understands what a CI is and how it works, she may decide to have it

done. However, this means that we will miss the window of

opportunity for the speech skills that can be aquired through the

CI. Making the choice to give her the choice meant that we would

have to work ten tims harder and give her every available tool to

succeed with hearing aids. It also means that we are accepting the

fact that ASL is her first and strongest language. Although we use

sign language and spoken english, total communication, we have to

know that Zahra is not going to be a strictly oral child. I do not

know if I lived in another city and did not have the resources

available to me that we would have made such a choice. Because we

live in Los Angeles California and there is a huge Deaf community,

our system of support is amazing! All of our family and friends have

changed their lives to communicate with Zahra. We actually have

several friends who decided to take sign language class on their own

time in order to learn our daughter's first language. I was

practially in tears when just last month we had our first party with

our hearing and deaf friends together. To see my crazy friends,

artist, musicians, actors, people who you'd never expect, making an

effort to communicate with our deaf friends with painfully slow

finger spelling was so awesome! This works for our family, we were

able to adapt and change our views on life and language and accept

Deaf Culture as a part of our family. And if one day my daughter

comes to me and says, mom I want to get a CI. Then we will happily

accept that as a part of our life too!

Just know that your daughter can have a fantastic life no matter

what choice you make.

Best of Luck,

Apryl

> Dear All

> Hello

> I am receiving ur letters full with new ideas, and

> suggestions from last two yrs. My daughter is hard of

> hearing profound, using digital hearing aid since she

> was 1 yr old. our dr is now suggesting us to get her

> CI done. I want to ask u what r the perfered divices

> used in CI and secondly is CI is for ever? like If

> once she had it then she will have no problem in her

> operated ear later on?? how many of u think that

> hearing thru CI is far more better then listening thru

> hearing aid, ( definitly it is not going to be that

> clear but the other one is machanically

> voice)?????????

> I think my Question will look like i am so stupid

> asking these silly questions but i want to satisfy my

> self before taking the decision.

> Hoping to get a good responce from u all. As i live in

> third world country where we don't get much

> informations.

> Thanks

> muneeba ( mom of Adiva Ahmad 3yr old)

>

>

>

> ____________________________________________________

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Hi- May I ask where in LA you are learning ASL? It occured to me

that everyone that has suggested we use a complete oral approach has

typical hearing. Just an hour ago, a DHOH list mate on another group

pointed out that asking a pedi audi about ASL is similar to asking a

formula company about breastfeeding.

Thank you in advance for any info.

mom to Kate 12 mos mild/mod loss

In Listen-Up , " geminigroove " <geminigroove@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Muneeba,

>

> I am a mom with a sever to profoundly deaf daughter. I can give

you

> the point of view from a family who chose not to get a CI. No

matter

> what choices we make we all still have children with hearing

loss.

> With hearing aids, or implants our lives have been changed

forever.

> I think when making such a decision it's important to think about

> what device or method will work best for your family and the way

you

> live your life. Doctors are very quick to make the choice for us,

> but they are not the ones to live with the choice.

>

> The first thing I did upon finding out about my daughter hearing

> loss was research. I went out and found organizations,

conferences,

> and fun events where I could meet other people with hearing loss.

I

> needed desperately to understand what it meant to be deaf.

Everyone

> around me was full of information. The teachers, doctors,

> audiologist, but none of them had a hearing loss. Once I spoke

with

> various deaf adults and children, and began educating myself on

> the " culture " I was able to breath again. I knew that no matter

what

> choice we made our daughter could live a happy and successful

life.

>

> For our family we decided that we could not make such a major

> decision that involves surgery and physically changing her body

for

> our daughter. We feel very strong that once she is older and fully

> understands what a CI is and how it works, she may decide to have

it

> done. However, this means that we will miss the window of

> opportunity for the speech skills that can be aquired through the

> CI. Making the choice to give her the choice meant that we would

> have to work ten tims harder and give her every available tool to

> succeed with hearing aids. It also means that we are accepting the

> fact that ASL is her first and strongest language. Although we use

> sign language and spoken english, total communication, we have to

> know that Zahra is not going to be a strictly oral child. I do not

> know if I lived in another city and did not have the resources

> available to me that we would have made such a choice. Because we

> live in Los Angeles California and there is a huge Deaf community,

> our system of support is amazing! All of our family and friends

have

> changed their lives to communicate with Zahra. We actually have

> several friends who decided to take sign language class on their

own

> time in order to learn our daughter's first language. I was

> practially in tears when just last month we had our first party

with

> our hearing and deaf friends together. To see my crazy friends,

> artist, musicians, actors, people who you'd never expect, making

an

> effort to communicate with our deaf friends with painfully slow

> finger spelling was so awesome! This works for our family, we were

> able to adapt and change our views on life and language and accept

> Deaf Culture as a part of our family. And if one day my daughter

> comes to me and says, mom I want to get a CI. Then we will happily

> accept that as a part of our life too!

>

> Just know that your daughter can have a fantastic life no matter

> what choice you make.

>

> Best of Luck,

> Apryl

>

>

> > Dear All

> > Hello

> > I am receiving ur letters full with new ideas, and

> > suggestions from last two yrs. My daughter is hard of

> > hearing profound, using digital hearing aid since she

> > was 1 yr old. our dr is now suggesting us to get her

> > CI done. I want to ask u what r the perfered divices

> > used in CI and secondly is CI is for ever? like If

> > once she had it then she will have no problem in her

> > operated ear later on?? how many of u think that

> > hearing thru CI is far more better then listening thru

> > hearing aid, ( definitly it is not going to be that

> > clear but the other one is machanically

> > voice)?????????

> > I think my Question will look like i am so stupid

> > asking these silly questions but i want to satisfy my

> > self before taking the decision.

> > Hoping to get a good responce from u all. As i live in

> > third world country where we don't get much

> > informations.

> > Thanks

> > muneeba ( mom of Adiva Ahmad 3yr old)

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________________________________________________

> > Yahoo! Sports

> > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football

> > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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--- You wrote:

Hi- May I ask where in LA you are learning ASL? It occured to me

that everyone that has suggested we use a complete oral approach has

typical hearing. Just an hour ago, a DHOH list mate on another group

pointed out that asking a pedi audi about ASL is similar to asking a

formula company about breastfeeding.

--- end of quote ---

HI - I think that's true to some degree. I certainly feel like I'm better

informed on hearing loss issues than our pediatrician, but on the other hand,

she sends HER residents to US if they have questions so fortunately, she knows

that she doesn't know.

Barbara

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Manager, Social Science Computing

Kiewit Computing Services

Dartmouth College

Hanover NH 03755

Tel: 603/646-2877

URL: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~ssc

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You can get pediatric audiologists who know sign. We had one (in

Thousand Oaks). Her name is Eleanor . Some of the audis at

UCLA sign - the CI coordinator signs, and also UCLA provides an

interpreter for mapping sessions. If you call any school for the

deaf that uses TC or simultaneous communication (sim/com) they also

have pediatric audiologists who sign. I also met an audiologist in

Ventura who signs ( with Gold Coast Audiologists).

I took ASL at Moorpark College, but I would recommend you contact

Greater Los Angeles Agency on Deafness at http://www.gladinc.org/ and

ask where they recommend you take classes. The base office is LA and

they have satellite offices in Bakersfield, Ventura, etc (see the

site).

I also totally agree with Geminigroove's recommendations! She is

right on! A great thing to do is Deaf Day at Disneyland usually the

first week of March.

One note - I did decide to implant my daughter at age 11. This was

more my choice than hers, but now we are both happy with the

decision.

---> Hi- May I ask where in LA you are learning ASL? It occured to me

> that everyone that has suggested we use a complete oral approach

has

> typical hearing. Just an hour ago, a DHOH list mate on another

group

> pointed out that asking a pedi audi about ASL is similar to asking

a

> formula company about breastfeeding.

>

>

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We had found the same to be true of our pediatricians when it came to food

allergies. Our son has multiple life-threatening food allergies and the practice

we go to had very little knowledge of life with allergies to that extent.

They've been great about learning what they need to know to accommodate us and

other families. They've learned with us and from us.

On the other note, we started learning ASL at home through a state program. Our

son was still covered under early intervention so our state agency paid for it.

A HOH adult came to our house for 10 weeks (2 hours each time) and taught us as

a family. It was a wonderful experience for us all. We live in NH. I'm not sure

if other states have such programs. They have a second 10-week course that we'd

love to take, but our school district won't pay and we can't afford it right

now. In the meantime, my husband has taken ASL classes at the deaf/hoh school 45

minutes from our house.

johanna

Barbara.T.Mellert@... wrote:

--- You wrote:

Hi- May I ask where in LA you are learning ASL? It occured to me

that everyone that has suggested we use a complete oral approach has

typical hearing. Just an hour ago, a DHOH list mate on another group

pointed out that asking a pedi audi about ASL is similar to asking a

formula company about breastfeeding.

--- end of quote ---

HI - I think that's true to some degree. I certainly feel like I'm better

informed on hearing loss issues than our pediatrician, but on the other hand,

she sends HER residents to US if they have questions so fortunately, she knows

that she doesn't know.

Barbara

******************************

Barbara Mellert

Manager, Social Science Computing

Kiewit Computing Services

Dartmouth College

Hanover NH 03755

Tel: 603/646-2877

URL: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~ssc

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>

> Hi, Everyone--

>

> I hope you're all doing well. I have a few questions about the

adrenal glands/function, as I'm becoming suspicious of my newest

bout of symptoms.

>

> Do I get a blood test to see if my adrenals are out of whack?

If so/If not, what is the test called?

>

> My New Goofy Symptoms

> I spend almost every other night staring at the ceiling, tired

but not able to sleep until about 3am. My heart rate, even with

beta blockers, won't go below 84 beats per minute on these

occasions, as well. The next day, I'm exhausted and my meds kick

in.

>

> Action Steps

> I have an appointment to see my doctor on Saturday, April 29th.

How worried should I be--meaning, do I try to get an earlier

appointment?

>

> Best to all--

>

> Carolyn

>

What meds are you taking and how are you taking them? Dose, etc??

Kats3boys

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Hi Liz, I am peri meno as well. However, after doing some

research, I chose not to use estrogen to combat it. As our bodies

grow older and start going thru meno...the body's level of

progestrone drops. Estrogen and Prog need to be balanced. Many

docs say that you need to add estrogen, but if that is increasing

due to the decrease in prog, it didn't make sense to me. I use a

natural progesterone cream 14 days out of the month. It took a

couple of months to get the hot flashes etc...under control, but at

this point, I might have one or two hotflashes a month ( rather than

two or three a day). Rhonda Beagan that posts here sometimes, can

explain it much better than I can.

Anyway, HTH.

Kat

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Just as there are certain foods those of us with thyroid disease

(hypothyroidism) should avoid, are there certain foods that enhance

thyroid function?

>

> Also, I recently started on HRT (Prempro, which I don't like) and

was told it would not interfere with the thyroid medication I am

taking (levothyroxine.) This synthetic hormone replacement therapy

is supposed to relieve some of the unpleasant peri-menopausal

symptoms I've been experiencing lately.

>

> Is anyone else on this list undergoing a similar treatment? If

so, how's it going for you?

>

> I've got an appointment with my GP in a couple weeks, and I'm

going to request a safer HRT alternative than the Prempro. After

researching this product online, and although I'm taking a very

small dose, I am concerned about the possibility of exposing myself

to more serious health problems over time.

>

> Liz

>

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Dear Kat, and thanks for your post.

I understand the process, yet the symptoms I've started experiencing got to the point where they were interfering with my daily life. It's been six months since I had my last "barely there" period, and am hoping to make it through the next six months without another one in order to be done with it...yes!

The goal, of course, is to start feeling better as soon as possible and recovering some semblance of feeling as good as I used to (or as much as possible) before starting peri-menopause.

Liz

Hi Liz, I am peri meno as well. However, after doing some research, I chose not to use estrogen to combat it. As our bodies grow older and start going thru meno...the body's level of progestrone drops. Estrogen and Prog need to be balanced. Many docs say that you need to add estrogen, but if that is increasing due to the decrease in prog, it didn't make sense to me. I use a natural progesterone cream 14 days out of the month. It took a couple of months to get the hot flashes etc...under control, but at this point, I might have one or two hotflashes a month ( rather than two or three a day). Rhonda Beagan that posts here sometimes, can explain it much better than I can.Anyway, HTH.Kat>> Dear Group,> > Just as there are certain foods those of us with thyroid disease (hypothyroidism) should avoid, are there certain foods that enhance thyroid function? > > Also, I recently started on HRT (Prempro, which I don't like) and was told it would not interfere with the thyroid medication I am taking (levothyroxine.) This synthetic hormone replacement therapy is supposed to relieve some of the unpleasant peri-menopausal symptoms I've been experiencing lately. > > Is anyone else on this list undergoing a similar treatment? If so, how's it going for you?> > I've got an appointment with my GP in a couple weeks, and I'm going to request a safer HRT alternative than the Prempro. After researching this product online, and although I'm taking a very small dose, I am concerned about the possibility of exposing myself to more serious health problems over time. > > Liz>

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Hi Liz

There are a couple of foods that I know of which can help your

thyroid, and I'm sure there are many others.

Brazil nuts are good for selenium which is essential to help convert

your T4 to T3. Virgin Coconut Oil and coconut products in general

help speed up the metabolism, helping with body temperature, cold

extremeties and metabolism of your meals, etc. I've also read that

zucchini are good for the thyroid - I think it is to do with the

sodium level? Celtic Sea Salt also provides a whole range of trace

minerals which you may be lacking.

HTH

Katy

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Just as there are certain foods those of us with thyroid disease

(hypothyroidism) should avoid, are there certain foods that enhance

thyroid function?

>

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Thanks for your input, Katy.

Although I have read about the benefits of coconut oil, it is a saturated fat, and not very healthy.

Liz

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