Re: Post Ops, Do you feel Hungry all of the time?

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I get hungry often, but I definately cannot eat past full. It would make me too uncomfortable. I definately cannot eat large quanities of food at one time. I am 9 months post op. For instance just a couple of weeks ago I got a Mcs quarter pounder with cheese meal. I ate about 1/2 of the sandwich, 5 or 6 fries, and I was totally satisfied and full. Now I may be hungry again 2 to 3 hours later. However, before I would have finished my whole meal and anything my kids had left and been ready to eat more in about an hour. When I compare it to what I ate pre-op, I am very satisfied by much smaller amounts.

Hope this helps!

Dawn

4.27.00

Dr. Hess

Down 95 pounds

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if any of your Doctors, or Nutrinistist say it is grazing if we eat half of a sandwich and a few fries, and then eat more in 2-3 hours? I cannot eat much even at almost 14 months post-op, so I get hungry more often. The problem is, that I was told this is grazing, we are only suppose to eat 3 meals, with a few small snacks a day. I have stopped losing weight at 7 months out, and I don't know if I am eating too frequently or what the problem is. I drink my water, and do water areobics 3 days a week, and the scale either stays the same or goes up and down by 8 lbs. I did start with a BMI of 46.1 and I am now at 31. I do know what I am suppose to eat, so I lay very low on the carbs, eating mostly protein, and I do have a little sugar, but nothing to stop a weight lose, or even prevent it. I just had an endoscope and My stomach is about the quarter the size of a normal stomach as tols to me by the gastronologist. I still need to lose 50 lbs to be at the high end of the charts, and my time is running thin, along with my patience. Any ideas?

Patti

DS done 12-3-99

Dr. Gagner

Re: Post Ops, Do you feel Hungry all of the time?

I get hungry often, but I definately cannot eat past full. It would make me too uncomfortable. I definately cannot eat large quanities of food at one time. I am 9 months post op. For instance just a couple of weeks ago I got a Mcs quarter pounder with cheese meal. I ate about 1/2 of the sandwich, 5 or 6 fries, and I was totally satisfied and full. Now I may be hungry again 2 to 3 hours later. However, before I would have finished my whole meal and anything my kids had left and been ready to eat more in about an hour. When I compare it to what I ate pre-op, I am very satisfied by much smaller amounts. Hope this helps! Dawn 4.27.00 Dr. Hess Down 95 pounds

[Guest guest]

Hi Blain, it sounds like you have been reading mostly info on other

surgeries than the DS, regarding overeating and getting sick. I can't

speak for all but I have heard many times that there is something about

rny surgery that makes it difficult to know just when to stop, prolly

because the capacity is so little and they may overeat before they know

it, and because they don't have the pyloric valve so when they do eat

just a little too much it often times comes right back up or causes the

infamous dumping syndrome. I had surgery in December, and am

comfortable with the amount I can eat, but I too nibble here and there.

I can definitely tell you, Blain, that I absolutely feel the need to

stop after a few bites, whereas before, I could eat nonstop,

practically. What I do now is once I get full of food, I have to wait

1/2 to an hour to drink something, then I switch to drinking lemonade or

Crystal Light or ice water. I nurse about two glasses over the next

couple of hours and do not feel deprived at all. I know this will be

hard to believe but I find I have to make myself eat every couple of

hours because I often forget. :-)

HTH,

Robin F

[Guest guest]

You asked for ideas, so here are mine! First, what you're eating needs

to be taken into consideration. I'm only barely two months post op but

I can see this is not exactly effortless, and that I will need to still

watch what I eat, for the sole purpose of making sure the stuff I do

ingest is the best for me and not a hinderance. French fries are

probably the first thing you should cut out. Can you switch to

all/mostly protein? Do you like salads? Food combining principles are

important, too, such as eating only protein with vegetables, or

bread/potatoes with vegetables, not bread and meat together at the same

time. Sometimes I think when we stagnate or plateau it is time for a

little revamping or change in our styles. Please remind me of this when

I get to that point, okay? <g> Best of luck to you...

Robin F

[Guest guest]

Blain -

I had the same fears, pre-op. I was a very emotional eater and for almost

any emotion. I was really afraid that I wouldn't feel satisfied, would feel

deprived and that I was suffering, like I did for as long as most of my

" diets " would last. I have to tell you that it is absolutely AMAZING what

this surgery did for me in that area. I feel NO deprivation. I feel TOTAL

satisfaction. I get physically hungry every few hours (never really knew

physical hunger before) -- but it is satisfied with very little. I have

been " starving " only a couple times since the surgery -- and that was

because I put off eating too long for a support get-together dinner. I

rememdy that by having a little something even if its only a couple hours

beore a dinner. This food/hunger thing is one of the many miracles of this

surgery. I used to think about food ALL the time -- from when I woke up til

when I went to sleep -- trying to decide what all I wanted to gorge on that

day. Within the first couple weeks of my surgery, I distinctly remember

waking up one morning and thinking " oh no, its another day -- I have to EAT

food and DRINK liquid " . I laughed out loud at myself -- what a (bpa)

switch! To know I have to eat to live, not live to eat. I am more than

satisified at how I feel about food and hunger. It is simply astounding to

me that I am truly satisified with no feelings of deprivation -- I feel SO

grateful! I think my experience is pretty common among post-ops.

Best to you -

Kris G

Cincinnati, Ohio

5'7 " , 40 years old

8/22 - 283 - BMI 44.3

01/22 - 193 - BMI 30.2

ciao to 90 lbs. & 87+ inches in 5 months

Open BPD/DS 08/22/00

Dr. Maguire, Kettering OH

HumanaFreedom Plus Plan

iwillbefit@...

Post Ops, Do you feel Hungry all of the time?

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| The thing that have made me unable to diet is the overwhelming

| feeling of hunger All Of The Time.

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| I have read where some WLS only restrict your ability to take in

| food. The people are still very hungry, In fact there is one e-group

| that is devoted to this, WLS_hungry I think.

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| I think that to have me be hungry all of the time would be a very

| effective method of torture.

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| Does the DS allow you to get full and to fuction for a number of

| hours without getting so hungry that you would eat anything?

|

| I as afraid I will out eat the surgery.

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| One phrase I have often read was: " Getting to know when your stomach

| is full... " .

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| It seems that now I ignore when I am full, often gorging myself. If I

| could stop when I was full wouldn't eat as much.

|

| A lot of the posting on WLS seem to tell me that the success of the

| surgery depends on the patient getting sick when they over eat

| causing a conditioned response of sickness (vomiting and nausea).

|

| The reason I became interested in the DS is because I thought it

| allowed natural eating with a feeling of satisfied not that I had to

| learn to read the signs and determine now is enough. I worry

| because I have a proven track record of being unable to do this.

|

| Blain

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[Guest guest]

Ha! If i could do that, I wouldnt be fat. :o/

> You asked for ideas, so here are mine! First, what you're eating

needs

> to be taken into consideration. I'm only barely two months post op

but

> I can see this is not exactly effortless, and that I will need to

still

> watch what I eat, for the sole purpose of making sure the stuff I do

> ingest is the best for me and not a hinderance. French fries are

> probably the first thing you should cut out. Can you switch to

> all/mostly protein? Do you like salads? Food combining principles

are

> important, too, such as eating only protein with vegetables, or

> bread/potatoes with vegetables, not bread and meat together at the

same

> time. Sometimes I think when we stagnate or plateau it is time for

a

> little revamping or change in our styles. Please remind me of this

when

> I get to that point, okay? <g> Best of luck to you...

>

> Robin F

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin:

I was responding to a post about someone eating french fries and a burger,

and used that as an example. I DO NOT eat french fries at fast food places.

I have eaten them once in 14 months and that was last summer, when I ate

about 4 fries, with my steak. What I do eat is salad with cheese, and my

protein such as turkey breast, tuna, or chicken on it. I do not eat

potatoes,rice, nor bread. Like I said I know what to eat, and I lay really

low on carbs.

I have spent many of days with Crissy on the list who is 3 months post-op,

and she can surely eat more than me,but it is all good food. I do know it

takes an effort for some, and I have truly taken every measure I can

possibly think of other than going low fat. I had this type of surgery to be

able to eat fat, and not be on a fat free diet, as the RNY does.

Thanks for responding Robin.

Patti

Re: Post Ops, Do you feel Hungry all of the time?

> You asked for ideas, so here are mine! First, what you're eating needs

> to be taken into consideration. I'm only barely two months post op but

> I can see this is not exactly effortless, and that I will need to still

> watch what I eat, for the sole purpose of making sure the stuff I do

> ingest is the best for me and not a hinderance. French fries are

> probably the first thing you should cut out. Can you switch to

> all/mostly protein? Do you like salads? Food combining principles are

> important, too, such as eating only protein with vegetables, or

> bread/potatoes with vegetables, not bread and meat together at the same

> time. Sometimes I think when we stagnate or plateau it is time for a

> little revamping or change in our styles. Please remind me of this when

> I get to that point, okay? <g> Best of luck to you...

>

> Robin F

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> The thing that have made me unable to diet is the overwhelming

> feeling of hunger All Of The Time.

>

> I have read where some WLS only restrict your ability to take in

> food. The people are still very hungry, In fact there is one e-

group

> that is devoted to this, WLS_hungry I think.

>

> I think that to have me be hungry all of the time would be a very

> effective method of torture.

>

> Does the DS allow you to get full and to fuction for a number of

> hours without getting so hungry that you would eat anything?

>

> I as afraid I will out eat the surgery.

>

> One phrase I have often read was: " Getting to know when your

stomach

> is full... " .

>

> It seems that now I ignore when I am full, often gorging myself. If

I

> could stop when I was full wouldn't eat as much.

>

> A lot of the posting on WLS seem to tell me that the success of the

> surgery depends on the patient getting sick when they over eat

> causing a conditioned response of sickness (vomiting and nausea).

>

> The reason I became interested in the DS is because I thought it

> allowed natural eating with a feeling of satisfied not that I had

to

> learn to read the signs and determine now is enough. I worry

> because I have a proven track record of being unable to do this.

>

> Blain

Blain,

Wow, this was my biggest fear of all when I was Pre-Op just 3 months

and 3 weeks ago! My experience has been that my eyes are MUCH bigger

than my new " plumbing " , which I thought was going to be nearly

impossible to handle emotionally. Let me tell you it is NOT! I can

at times eat a whole sandwich or as much as a half of a Hoagie (I am

from Phila), but other times I get full on a half sandwich. I eat my

protein first and very rarely have enough room to eat the other stuff

(chips, salad, whatever) that I used to eat w/my meals or snacks.

Snacking is something I rarely do because I am just NOT HUNGRY!!! in

between meals! So, the bottom line is no I am NOT hungry all the

time like I was also Pre-Op. I eat what I want, when I want and I

stop when I FEEL FULL! A feeling I truly never felt before! Good

Luck to You! Hope this is helpful.

Your WLS Friend, Kjay

Post-Op

Dr. Herron

BPD/DS

10/6/00

-64 lbs so far!

[Guest guest]

Dear Patti:

Dr. A as well as his nutrinistist Carol told me that my eating habits are the best kind. I eat every 3 to 4 hours and have since I had the surgery. All of my blood work has been good and my weight loss couldn't be better.

If you seem stuck try adding some fats to your diet to kick it back into losing mode your exercising seems good as does your water intake so you may just need to up your fat intake. It certainly won't hurt you other than making you a bit more gassy and it may loosen your bowels for a while.

I added fats slowly and now I eat most fats with no problem at all.

Huggles,

Tiger Lake

Female

160 lbs. BMI 21.7

224lbs gone

165 1/2 inches gone

6' -- 53yrs young

Dr. Anthone@USC So. Calif.

Open DS

Surgery 1/13/99 384lbs BMI 51.21

Last Visit 4/20/99 315.5 BMI 42.07

7/19/99 274.8 BMI 36.64

9/03/99 259.3 BMI 34.54

10/04/99 252.4 BMI 34.02

10/25/99 231 BMI 32

12/17/99 217.5 BMI 30.2

01/19/00 211 BMI 28

02/20/00 195 BMI 26

04/08/00 182.9 BMI 25

06/07/00 160 BMI 21.7

01/08/01 164.3 BMI 21.7

Hernia repair on 06/07/00 Dr. Anthone

Tummy Tuck & Breast Reduction Dr. Downey

Total Weight Loss! 224.1lbs GONE!

Total inches lost 165!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

sorry... didnt mean to make you feel bad.. I am real curious if i'll

be able to handle food after wards which i currently hate.. i guess

i'll see.. )

>

> > Ha! If i could do that, I wouldnt be fat. :o/

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>I have stopped losing weight at 7 months out, .....I did start

with a BMI of 46.1 and I am now at 31. <<<<<<<<

Patti,

Maybe you really have lost all of the excess FAT you need to lose and

the only way to get the additional 50 pounds off would be to have

your excess skin removed. It sounds to me like you exercise a lot so

you probably have a lot of muscle mass. Muscle weighs a lot too you

know. What does your doctor say about this? Are you large boned?

[Guest guest]

> I am going to try to stick to the 3 tiny meals a day(as that is all

my stomach will handle, and I will have 2 small pieces of protein for

a snack.

In other words, I am going to diet and starve, which is the opposite

of why I wanted this surgery. If this doesn't work, I will contact my

surgeon, and listen to him tell me to contact the nutritionist who I

think is useless, as far as the DS goes. She told me I was eating

good, just don't eat fat.<<<<

I am not an expert but starving yourself just shuts down your

metabolism more. We need to eat fat. (some) If we do not eat it

then our body thinks we are in starvation mode and metabolism slows

down to save the fat we have to keep from starving. Instead of

waiting till later to call your surgeon, do it sooner. If he tells

you to go to the nutritionalist then go armed with DS facts (I go

tomorrow for my appt and my nutritionalist is totally psyched from

learning about this procedure.)