RE: Pregnenolone and dhea -Cheri

[Guest guest]

Cheri,

Hi,

My doctor wants me to take Prenenolone in a very low dose, he says it is a

precursor to all the hormones and I am low in it.

There is SO much to deal with when healing ones Adrenals etc... and I am just

wonderding from your perspective ,how to take this one step at a time, what to

tackle first?

I know to get my tests done. I will have my blood tests taken Friday. I was

going to do it tommorow, but Friday will be clear of the Pred. I cm going to

have to go off of the blood results for my cortisol level. I know the salivia is

the best way, but it will have to wait until I can afford it in Jan. With that

being said, my doctor most likely he will start me on something like HC if my

blood results are low. Will this mess me up when I am to take the salvia test?

Will I have to be off the HC for a month? I have another cold and the fatigue

off the Pred. is big time! Mt DHEA Sulfate was 95 a couple months ago. I am

being tested for this again when I have my bood drawn.

Maybe I miseread a post the other day, but Val replied to someone waying that

if their DHEA level was high then they would most likey be experiencing low

cortisol. My levels of DHEA are more on the low side.

I remember you also teling me you first cleaned your stomach. I am taking

probiotics. I have constipattion due to my medication but I try to eat some

prunes or take epson salt in soem natural juice my doctor adviced me if I get

too backed up which is happening.

My depressin, thnak goodness has lifted alot since last week and weekend. My

doctor had me go up on the lamicatal I take for now until he gets my results

back.

Thanks for reading this! (= I know it is long, but any feedbackis much

appreciated as there si suhc good information but I feel for me to change alot

at once is not good because I like to know what migty be casuing what. If I add

to many new things at once it is too confusing.

Thanks,

a

MsSquarepants wrote:

Pregnenolone really seemed to screw up my hormones. I was probably taking

too much. I think it will be a few more months before I get my hormones

stabilized. I found that DHEA was causing more estrogen dominance too so I

have to cut back. Not sure in your case if they both will make you worse or

better but keep your doses low. I was very, very low in DHEA and really

don't recommend it if you are not low as it can be very potent. I am stage 7

fatigue, by the way.

You could have low magnesium or sodium that causes that pain. I get that

every so often and from experimenting it seems to be either magnesium or

sodium related or both.

Cheri

Pregnenolone and dhea

Hi I am new to the group and just wanted to know if anyone out there

experienced lumbar spinal discomfort while taking pregnenolone and

dhea. I am taking adrenstim which is a lotion that you rub in your

body that contains these ingredients. My doc just started me on this

because I've already been on isocort but can't seem to raise my

thyroid meds because adrenals keep crashing. Have been on 1/2 grain

for about a month and everytime I think my adrenals are feelin great

I try that other 1/2 grain and experience a major crash (tired,

depressed). So my doc thought if we tried adrenstim in addition to

isocort mabye that would do the trick so I can raise my

naturethroid. Adrenstim makes me feel alert, positive, improves

memory, less tendency to get depressed-However my lumbar spine right

where the low back meets the sacrum is so unusually tight (right

around kidney/ adrenal) and at night my calves feel slightly cramped.

I really wasn't low in DHEA but am stage 5 adrenal fatigue. Mabye the

Dhea is to much although this cream is only supposed to deliver small

amounts and it's the pregnenolone I think is helping. Sometimes I

really think having the autoimmune component makes this so tricky

because my body is so sensitive to everything b/c hashi's and most

likely other autoimmune stuff going on in my body. Really scared to

take Cortef I'm only 29 and am hoping I can restore some of this.

Balancing the endocrine is like walking a tight rope and I just pray

for the day I can feel some sense of balance instead of this yo-

yoing. Any comments or suggestion or stories would be greatly

appreciated. THANKS

[Guest guest]

a,

The HC can limit the value of the tests but if you are really low like I

was, even taking it you can still come back low and get valuable information

for doing the saliva tests. I got valuable results on mine and this time I

will have been on Isocort for 2 months while doing the saliva tests. For

someone like me at stage 7, I cannot go off for two weeks to test...it would

send me to the hospital. So, you do the best you can. While the saliva tests

won't tell you how the unaided adrenals are doing, if you are really low

which I suspect you are, it might at least tell you if the stuff you are

taking is getting into the cells and working at all. So, if your doctor puts

you on HC, take it...but make sure it is a low dose and you ramp up

according to the schedule so you don't make your adrenals worse.

My DHEA was super low as were my cortisol levels for the latter morning and

afternoon. Usually when both are low you are in a later stage of adrenal

fatigue.

Pregnenolone and DHEA should be started no more than 5 mg a day and work up

and check for symptoms. The thing about them is, you don't know that they

will necessarily convert into the hormones you need or into the quantity you

need. Preg I think caused me the depression I was having because it did

something that made my estrogen dominance worse. DHEA has some good benefits

for me, but I still am getting estrogen dominance from it so I am having to

experiment with stopping and restarting and cutting my dosage. For example,

lets say you are low in testosterone and estrogen but all the conversion

raises the estrogen only and now your testosterone is even more imbalanced.

This is what I found was happening with me...it seemed to all be going to

estrogen dominance which I already had a problem with. Again, make sure with

DHEA and Pregnenolone that your dosage is low because they might make you

feel great initially (they did with me) but then there is a crash where

problems start. I recommend you Google for any cautionary stuff on both. I

read a good long thing from www.raysahelian.com.

Your constipation is something you really need to address ASAP even if you

need to take some herbal formulas to help, as it impacts everything from

your liver function, to hormones, to adrenals. If you don't have at least

two well formed bowel movements a day, it is a problem. Dr. Oz is so right

on that analysis. The colon and liver are the two largest detoxifying organs

in the body and they do work synergistically...when the colon is blocked it

causes more strain on the liver to work harder. When that is overloaded, the

toxins start spilling into the blood and all the organs. Since you take a

lot of medications, this creates more problems too. Your liver is overtaxed

so I hope you are also taking liver support...Milk Thistle several times a

day at minimum. I am rarely constipated anymore, but the past couple of days

I have had some and boy do I noticed the difference in fatigue, skin

breakouts, liver function, etc. I got this bulletin from Vitacost that said

easy bruising can be a symptom of Vitamin C deficiency and also liver

issues. I noticed it has gotten worse for me since on Isocort so I am

thinking it is the extra strain on my liver and am increasing my liver

support too.

Everything in our body impacts everything else, which is why this is all so

complicated and there aren't any simple solutions. Would love if I could

take a pill a day and be fine, lol.

Cheri

RE: Pregnenolone and dhea -Cheri

Cheri,

Hi,

My doctor wants me to take Prenenolone in a very low dose, he says it is a

precursor to all the hormones and I am low in it.

My depressin, thnak goodness has lifted alot since last week and weekend.

My doctor had me go up on the lamicatal I take for now until he gets my

results back.

Thanks for reading this! (= I know it is long, but any feedbackis much

appreciated as there si suhc good information but I feel for me to change

alot at once is not good because I like to know what migty be casuing what.

If I add to many new things at once it is too confusing.

Thanks,

a

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[Guest guest]

Cheri,

Thanks for all the information! I am not going to even try the Pregnenolone

and Dhea for bit. I can not afford my mood to go

down anymore.

I am not on anything for my liver and I know I am in danger. Now I read Milk

Thistle on my medication can be not such a good mixture. I will hopefully get to

this health store this weekend, the woman their is pretty knowledgable, and she

never tries to make money off of me if she feels I will not benefit from the

product I ask about.

I took an extra Magnesium thinking this would help being back up, and usually

it helps, but not today.

Did you find out you where more estrogen dominace from the salivia test?

My doctor was having me take 50 mg. of bioidentical progestorone the week

before that time of month and then 100 mg. while I had it. It does help my skin

and I found I was less PMS while taking it. On the Diagnos- Tech sheet it says

that any hormones can effect the results of the test. So this month I think I

will not take it.

So if I am understanding what you posted, sorry my brain is foggy due to

having a cold, if my doctor puts me on a low dose of HC and then on day 19th or

20th of my cycle I can take the salivia test and should ge an ok reading?

There is a one tube, not the pour off tube, but one tube that says T1 I think.

I have read the instructions a couple times and it says nothing about this tube.

I know all to well lol that there are no simple soulutions. Just when I think

I have stumbled on something that can be the problem, something else unfolds.

This time last year I was not good, but was ok to go visit my friends in LA

now I can not make I am so fatigued until the doctor can see what is going on

with my tests.

I just found a one night cortisol test I took 11/17/06. It says salivary

cortisol result 0.19 . The am test was a blood test I think for cortisol and it

was 15.2 the reference range 4.0 - 22.0.

Thanks (=

a

MsSquarepants wrote:

a,

The HC can limit the value of the tests but if you are really low like I

was, even taking it you can still come back low and get valuable information

for doing the saliva tests. I got valuable results on mine and this time I

will have been on Isocort for 2 months while doing the saliva tests. For

someone like me at stage 7, I cannot go off for two weeks to test...it would

send me to the hospital. So, you do the best you can. While the saliva tests

won't tell you how the unaided adrenals are doing, if you are really low

which I suspect you are, it might at least tell you if the stuff you are

taking is getting into the cells and working at all. So, if your doctor puts

you on HC, take it...but make sure it is a low dose and you ramp up

according to the schedule so you don't make your adrenals worse.

My DHEA was super low as were my cortisol levels for the latter morning and

afternoon. Usually when both are low you are in a later stage of adrenal

fatigue.

Pregnenolone and DHEA should be started no more than 5 mg a day and work up

and check for symptoms. The thing about them is, you don't know that they

will necessarily convert into the hormones you need or into the quantity you

need. Preg I think caused me the depression I was having because it did

something that made my estrogen dominance worse. DHEA has some good benefits

for me, but I still am getting estrogen dominance from it so I am having to

experiment with stopping and restarting and cutting my dosage. For example,

lets say you are low in testosterone and estrogen but all the conversion

raises the estrogen only and now your testosterone is even more imbalanced.

This is what I found was happening with me...it seemed to all be going to

estrogen dominance which I already had a problem with. Again, make sure with

DHEA and Pregnenolone that your dosage is low because they might make you

feel great initially (they did with me) but then there is a crash where

problems start. I recommend you Google for any cautionary stuff on both. I

read a good long thing from www.raysahelian.com.

Your constipation is something you really need to address ASAP even if you

need to take some herbal formulas to help, as it impacts everything from

your liver function, to hormones, to adrenals. If you don't have at least

two well formed bowel movements a day, it is a problem. Dr. Oz is so right

on that analysis. The colon and liver are the two largest detoxifying organs

in the body and they do work synergistically...when the colon is blocked it

causes more strain on the liver to work harder. When that is overloaded, the

toxins start spilling into the blood and all the organs. Since you take a

lot of medications, this creates more problems too. Your liver is overtaxed

so I hope you are also taking liver support...Milk Thistle several times a

day at minimum. I am rarely constipated anymore, but the past couple of days

I have had some and boy do I noticed the difference in fatigue, skin

breakouts, liver function, etc. I got this bulletin from Vitacost that said

easy bruising can be a symptom of Vitamin C deficiency and also liver

issues. I noticed it has gotten worse for me since on Isocort so I am

thinking it is the extra strain on my liver and am increasing my liver

support too.

Everything in our body impacts everything else, which is why this is all so

complicated and there aren't any simple solutions. Would love if I could

take a pill a day and be fine, lol.

Cheri

RE: Pregnenolone and dhea -Cheri

Cheri,

Hi,

My doctor wants me to take Prenenolone in a very low dose, he says it is a

precursor to all the hormones and I am low in it.

My depressin, thnak goodness has lifted alot since last week and weekend.

My doctor had me go up on the lamicatal I take for now until he gets my

results back.

Thanks for reading this! (= I know it is long, but any feedbackis much

appreciated as there si suhc good information but I feel for me to change

alot at once is not good because I like to know what migty be casuing what.

If I add to many new things at once it is too confusing.

Thanks,

a

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

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> Pregnenolone and DHEA should be started no more than 5 mg a day and

work up and check for symptoms. The thing about them is, you don't

know that they will necessarily convert into the hormones you need or

into the quantity you need. Again, make sure with DHEA and

Pregnenolone that your dosage is low because they might make you feel

great initially (they did with me) but then there is a crash where

problems start. I recommend you Google for any cautionary stuff on

both. I read a good long thing from www.raysahelian.com.

>

Cheri, thanks so much for recommending the link above. Wow! I had

no idea DHEA could cause people so many problems. DHEA is actually

implicated as a CAUSE of hair loss and heart palpitations, problems

that people on this list have WITHOUT taking DHEA. I also found it

interesting that Dr. Sahelian recommends a dose of 5mg OR LESS, even

for people that are deficient. People reported problems even at 10

mg/day.

Anyone taking DHEA or contemplating taking it should read this.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Dr. Ray has a lot of good info on his site. I like that he is honest and

says he really doesn't know what it does and neither do other docs. I think

that is refreshing. I don't know if you read all the comments by people who

were using it but I found that interesting that some it really helped even

at 25 mg and others it really messed them up badly. Definitely needs to be

studied more and I always buy the 5 mg bottles because I agree with him that

the high doses they sell are not a good idea for something they really do

not understand well. I know with increasing my Isocort I needed to increase

my DHEA but then after a point it felt like too much and I was getting

irritable so I tapered down and felt better.

I never did over 25 mg of DHEA and even that was only for a week then I

tapered down again but I was taking high doses of 7-Keto (didn't seem to

affect me one way or another) and high doses of Preg which I think the preg

was what really caused me to get worse after years of feeling better with a

lot of symptoms.

After reading Dr. Ray's site I decided that I am going to keep lower doses,

no more than 5-15 mg and do at least a week off after every two weeks. It is

all really experimenting based on symptoms but I guess that is all I have to

work with right now.

Cheri

Re: Pregnenolone and dhea -Cheri

Cheri, thanks so much for recommending the link above. Wow! I had

no idea DHEA could cause people so many problems. DHEA is actually

implicated as a CAUSE of hair loss and heart palpitations, problems

that people on this list have WITHOUT taking DHEA. I also found it

interesting that Dr. Sahelian recommends a dose of 5mg OR LESS, even

for people that are deficient. People reported problems even at 10

mg/day.

Anyone taking DHEA or contemplating taking it should read this.

Barb

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