Re: Questions about the new Red bar and where to find it

[Guest guest]

Hi Idit-

I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes and the

adjustable bar. They are located in central California and their number is

. You have to leave a message and they will call you back. I'm

not sure if they ship international or not but they ship within the US. The

shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close to $60 too. If

you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably just do that

route though.

I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold (non

adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar is the best

because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money down the road.

Hope this helps,

>

>Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

>To: nosurgery4clubfoot

>Subject: Questions about the new Red bar and where to

>find it

>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

>

>

>Hello dear parents.

>This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

>bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel products and

>I have 3 questions:

>1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

>adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in Israel I

>want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer through the

>web or not.

>2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

>contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

>Canada.

>3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second hand red

>adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

>Thanks and have a great day

>Idit

>

>

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Hello, Idit,

Here is some info on the FAB components, provided by Hall,

an orthotist in Iowa. I believe the company that makes the bar is

called Fillauer. If you need more information I bet she would be

willing to talk to you; her contact info is included:

http://pages.ivillage.com/ponseti_links/id11.html

Here, too, is a site in the UK which offers the adjustable bar and

seems to ship internationally:

http://www.ketteringsurgical.com/foot/marden/ajp.htm

We have had the same red adjustable bar since our child first got her

brace at 6 months. She is now 3 1/2 years old, and it has been

adjusted wider as she has grown. We've gone through 4 pairs of shoes,

sizes 1, 3, 5 and now 7, but still the same bar..

Good luck,

and

>

> Hello dear parents.

> This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel products

and

> I have 3 questions:

> 1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in Israel I

> want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer through

the

> web or not.

> 2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

> Canada.

> 3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second hand

red

> adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> Thanks and have a great day

> Idit

[Guest guest]

Hi

I just thought that I would add the fact that I have a gold

adjustable bar.

It is made by Markell it is just one bar but is notched at the end

and this slides in brackets on the shoes. It looks very similar to

the unadjustable ones but has overhang beyond the nuts on the bottom

of the shoes. There is a pic of it in the photo section under

.

It goes from 10 to 14 inches and it seems to be working really well.

I like it because I can easily take his shoes off the bar to put them

on. I also like the fact that I don't have to deal with those little

black clamps on the red bar.

Just thought I would add another option.

-Ruth

Mum to born March 31, 2003. LCF

> Hi Idit-

>

> I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes and the

> adjustable bar. They are located in central California and their

number is

> . You have to leave a message and they will call you

back. I'm

> not sure if they ship international or not but they ship within the

US. The

> shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close to $60

too. If

> you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably just do

that

> route though.

>

> I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold (non

> adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar is the

best

> because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money down

the road.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> >Subject: Questions about the new Red bar and

where to

> >find it

> >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> >

> >

> >Hello dear parents.

> >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel products

and

> >I have 3 questions:

> >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in Israel I

> >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer through

the

> >web or not.

> >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

> >Canada.

> >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second hand

red

> >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> >Thanks and have a great day

> >Idit

> >

> >

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> http://wine.msn.com/

[Guest guest]

Dear and ,

Thank you for you response. I have contacted the Markel company and:

ketteringsurgical.com/ and got answers.

Can you please write if your kid has the small or large bar? I

think to buy the large one- 9 " -15 " .

It is so hard to do it without actually see it.

Thanks again

idit

> >

> > Hello dear parents.

> > This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel products

> and

> > I have 3 questions:

> > 1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in Israel

I

> > want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer through

> the

> > web or not.

> > 2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

> > Canada.

> > 3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second hand

> red

> > adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > Thanks and have a great day

> > Idit

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the answer.

I have seen only the blue bar and I'm so confused with what is

best...

Thank you

Idit

> Hi Idit-

>

> I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes and the

> adjustable bar. They are located in central California and their

number is

> . You have to leave a message and they will call you

back. I'm

> not sure if they ship international or not but they ship within

the US. The

> shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close to $60

too. If

> you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably just

do that

> route though.

>

> I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold (non

> adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar is

the best

> because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money down

the road.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> >Subject: Questions about the new Red bar and

where to

> >find it

> >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> >

> >

> >Hello dear parents.

> >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel products

and

> >I have 3 questions:

> >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in Israel I

> >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer through

the

> >web or not.

> >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

> >Canada.

> >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second hand

red

> >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> >Thanks and have a great day

> >Idit

> >

> >

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> http://wine.msn.com/

[Guest guest]

Thanks, good to know, the red one is more expensive.

I saw the photos too. is so cute

Thanks (-:

> > Hi Idit-

> >

> > I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes and

the

> > adjustable bar. They are located in central California and their

> number is

> > . You have to leave a message and they will call

you

> back. I'm

> > not sure if they ship international or not but they ship within

the

> US. The

> > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close to

$60

> too. If

> > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably just

do

> that

> > route though.

> >

> > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold

(non

> > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar is

the

> best

> > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money

down

> the road.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> >

> >

> > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > >Subject: Questions about the new Red bar

and

> where to

> > >find it

> > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hello dear parents.

> > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

products

> and

> > >I have 3 questions:

> > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

Israel I

> > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

through

> the

> > >web or not.

> > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

> > >Canada.

> > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second

hand

> red

> > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > >Thanks and have a great day

> > >Idit

> > >

> > >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > http://wine.msn.com/

[Guest guest]

Hi

My son is 9 and a half months and weighs about 23lb. He also has the gold

bar that slots into the shoes which is great as you can put regular trousers

on and just undo the bolt and release the bar if need be. He has the 14 " bar

which is set on 11 " so has an overhang on either side. I think he will be in

the this bar for a long time to come!!!

Good luck

Rach, Steve and Connor

-- Questions about the new Red bar

and

> where to

> > >find it

> > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hello dear parents.

> > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

products

> and

> > >I have 3 questions:

> > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

Israel I

> > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

through

> the

> > >web or not.

> > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US and

> > >Canada.

> > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second

hand

> red

> > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > >Thanks and have a great day

> > >Idit

> > >

> > >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > http://wine.msn.com/

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

Can I ask if the so overhang bar on either side can be dangerus?

thanks

idit

> > > Hi Idit-

> > >

> > > I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes and

> the

> > > adjustable bar. They are located in central California and

their

> > number is

> > > . You have to leave a message and they will call

> you

> > back. I'm

> > > not sure if they ship international or not but they ship

within

> the

> > US. The

> > > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close to

> $60

> > too. If

> > > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably

just

> do

> > that

> > > route though.

> > >

> > > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold

> (non

> > > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar

is

> the

> > best

> > > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money

> down

> > the road.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > >Subject: Questions about the new Red bar

> and

> > where to

> > > >find it

> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> products

> > and

> > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> Israel I

> > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> through

> > the

> > > >web or not.

> > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US

and

> > > >Canada.

> > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second

> hand

> > red

> > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > >Idit

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

_________________________________________________________________

> > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > http://wine.msn.com/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi There

I don't think that the overhang is dangerous. With my son

who is 10 months, with the bar set at 12 inches (bolt to bolt, not

heel to heel, he is about 8 inches or shoulder width heel to heel)the

overhang past the edge of the shoes is only about 1/2 to 1 inch on

each side (see picture). I have never had any problems with it, he

does occasionally snag a blanket when I pick him up but that is

certainly nothing to worry about.

I have been very happy with this bar and recommend it totally, of

course I have no experience with any other type but this one seems to

work just fine and if it is a little bit cheaper then that sounds

good to me!

Hope this helps

-Ruth

> > > > Hi Idit-

> > > >

> > > > I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes

and

> > the

> > > > adjustable bar. They are located in central California and

> their

> > > number is

> > > > . You have to leave a message and they will call

> > you

> > > back. I'm

> > > > not sure if they ship international or not but they ship

> within

> > the

> > > US. The

> > > > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close

to

> > $60

> > > too. If

> > > > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably

> just

> > do

> > > that

> > > > route though.

> > > >

> > > > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold

> > (non

> > > > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar

> is

> > the

> > > best

> > > > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money

> > down

> > > the road.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > > > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > >Subject: Questions about the new Red

bar

> > and

> > > where to

> > > > >find it

> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> > products

> > > and

> > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> > Israel I

> > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> > through

> > > the

> > > > >web or not.

> > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US

> and

> > > > >Canada.

> > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second

> > hand

> > > red

> > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > >Idit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> _________________________________________________________________

> > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

There isn't that much overhang that you can see as the shoe covers most of

it because of the angle. It certainly hasn't bothered us and I know there is

room to grow. It's harder to get him in the foot muff in the pushchair but

can still do it, otherwise haven't noticed any difference. Also he sleeps on

his side so his leg is in the air and this hasn't made any difference either

Rach

-- Questions about the new Red bar

> and

> > where to

> > > >find it

> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> products

> > and

> > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> Israel I

> > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> through

> > the

> > > >web or not.

> > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US

and

> > > >Canada.

> > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second

> hand

> > red

> > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > >Idit

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

_________________________________________________________________

> > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > http://wine.msn.com/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi idit! I'm more of a lurker here on this board, but I wanted to

let you know my experience with this type of bar. My son started out

in the bar with the overhang. Our local dr. said we were supposed to

keep it on 24 hrs. a day until he started walking (we found out later

this was ridiculous), which meant he had it on when he was rolling

and crawling. The only real problem we had with it was that he

scratched a lot of paint off our walls with it. He would roll over

to the wall as fast as he could and he would just move his legs up

and down. Personally, I think he liked the sound of it, because just

as soon as we moved him to the middle of the floor, he would beat it

over to the wall again. I am so thankful that we were able to see

Dr. Ponseti and get the red bar. Our local dr. was actually pretty

impressed with the red bar-he called the local prosthetic lab to see

if they would switch to the red bar. (I know they were going to

contact people in Iowa City for more info.)

- (son Jaren 4/18/02 unilateral clubfoot)

> Thanks,

>

> Can I ask if the so overhang bar on either side can be dangerus?

>

> thanks

>

> idit

>

[Guest guest]

I imagine it's mostly dangerous to the parents lol

I think the overhang would drive me nuts personally. But then again I

haven't tried it. I don't get why they can't come up with an adjustable

bar that's bent properly and has nuts that can be undone. Is this

physically impossible or what?

Kori

At 11:05 PM 1/28/04, you wrote:

>Thanks,

>

>Can I ask if the so overhang bar on either side can be dangerus?

>

>thanks

>

>idit

>

>

>

>

> > > > Hi Idit-

> > > >

> > > > I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes and

> > the

> > > > adjustable bar. They are located in central California and

>their

> > > number is

> > > > . You have to leave a message and they will call

> > you

> > > back. I'm

> > > > not sure if they ship international or not but they ship

>within

> > the

> > > US. The

> > > > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is close to

> > $60

> > > too. If

> > > > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably

>just

> > do

> > > that

> > > > route though.

> > > >

> > > > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the gold

> > (non

> > > > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable bar

>is

> > the

> > > best

> > > > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of money

> > down

> > > the road.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > > > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > >Subject: Questions about the new Red bar

> > and

> > > where to

> > > > >find it

> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son with

> > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> > products

> > > and

> > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the new

> > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> > Israel I

> > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> > through

> > > the

> > > > >web or not.

> > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I can

> > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in US

>and

> > > > >Canada.

> > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a second

> > hand

> > > red

> > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > >Idit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>_________________________________________________________________

> > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you everybody for your help.

I think we will go with the red one…

Our doctor also told us to put the shoes until the baby walks…

He is 5 month old now and we saw Dr. Herzenberg who came to

visit in Israel and he corrected our Doctor.

Thank you all,

Good night/day

And Kori, I here you, You should look at Oshri's shoes now… god!

Idit

> > > > > Hi Idit-

> > > > >

> > > > > I use Ease Distributers at for ordering shoes

and

> > > the

> > > > > adjustable bar. They are located in central California and

> >their

> > > > number is

> > > > > . You have to leave a message and they will

call

> > > you

> > > > back. I'm

> > > > > not sure if they ship international or not but they ship

> >within

> > > the

> > > > US. The

> > > > > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is

close to

> > > $60

> > > > too. If

> > > > > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would propably

> >just

> > > do

> > > > that

> > > > > route though.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of the

gold

> > > (non

> > > > > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red adjustable

bar

> >is

> > > the

> > > > best

> > > > > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots of

money

> > > down

> > > > the road.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > > > > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > > >Subject: Questions about the new Red

bar

> > > and

> > > > where to

> > > > > >find it

> > > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son

with

> > > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> > > products

> > > > and

> > > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the

new

> > > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> > > Israel I

> > > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> > > through

> > > > the

> > > > > >web or not.

> > > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I

can

> > > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in

US

> >and

> > > > > >Canada.

> > > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a

second

> > > hand

> > > > red

> > > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > > >Idit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >_________________________________________________________________

> > > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am sorry I came in at the end of this conversation. Did Dr. Herzenberg see

you recently in Isreal? He is our doctor and I know he was just out of town for

two weeks. I wondered if he was there with you.

We have the red bar and love it. We used to have the gold one and it was not as

good at all.

Thanks!

Questions about the new Red

bar

> > > and

> > > > where to

> > > > > >find it

> > > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son

with

> > > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> > > products

> > > > and

> > > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the

new

> > > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> > > Israel I

> > > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> > > through

> > > > the

> > > > > >web or not.

> > > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I

can

> > > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in

US

> >and

> > > > > >Canada.

> > > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a

second

> > > hand

> > > > red

> > > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > > >Idit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >_________________________________________________________________

> > > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

how much ($) is the red bar? Is there ANY way to make it easy to get the

shoes off? I don't take them off much anymore but when I want to, I want

to do it easily. Does anyone think any modifications could be made to

it? And it comes pre-bent to 15 degrees?

Kori

At 01:29 PM 1/29/04, you wrote:

>I am sorry I came in at the end of this conversation. Did Dr. Herzenberg

>see you recently in Isreal? He is our doctor and I know he was just out

>of town for two weeks. I wondered if he was there with you.

>

>We have the red bar and love it. We used to have the gold one and it was

>not as good at all.

>

>Thanks!

> Questions about the new Red

> bar

> > > > and

> > > > > where to

> > > > > > >find it

> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old son

> with

> > > > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New Markel

> > > > products

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to the

> new

> > > > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are unavailable in

> > > > Israel I

> > > > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a dealer

> > > > through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >web or not.

> > > > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada that I

> can

> > > > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to friends in

> US

> > >and

> > > > > > >Canada.

> > > > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a

> second

> > > > hand

> > > > > red

> > > > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > > > >Idit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > >_________________________________________________________________

> > > > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.

> > > > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Kori, I don't think it comes pre-bent...when Dr. Pirani saw Owen's

bar, the first thing he did was try to wrap around his knee in an

effort to bend it (LOL)...in the end, he gave it to the orthotist and

asked her to adjust it to the correct degree of dorsiflexion. As far

as making it easy to take the shoes off the bar...I can't really

offer much there as we never had to do it that way. I guess we were

among the lucky ones who didn't really have an adjustment phase.

Owen seemed to take to the DBB right away without any problems.

Daiga and Owen, 02/04/03

Unilateral LCF, DBB 14/24

> > > > > > > Hi Idit-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I use Ease Distributers at for ordering

shoes

> > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > adjustable bar. They are located in central

California and

> > > >their

> > > > > > number is

> > > > > > > . You have to leave a message and they

will

> > call

> > > > > you

> > > > > > back. I'm

> > > > > > > not sure if they ship international or not but they

ship

> > > >within

> > > > > the

> > > > > > US. The

> > > > > > > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar is

> > close to

> > > > > $60

> > > > > > too. If

> > > > > > > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would

propably

> > > >just

> > > > > do

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > route though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware of

the

> > gold

> > > > > (non

> > > > > > > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red

adjustable

> > bar

> > > >is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves lots

of

> > money

> > > > > down

> > > > > > the road.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > > > > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > > > > >Subject: Questions about the

new Red

> > bar

> > > > > and

> > > > > > where to

> > > > > > > >find it

> > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-old

son

> > with

> > > > > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New

Markel

> > > > > products

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar to

the

> > new

> > > > > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are

unavailable in

> > > > > Israel I

> > > > > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a

dealer

> > > > > through

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >web or not.

> > > > > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or Canada

that I

> > can

> > > > > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to

friends in

> > US

> > > >and

> > > > > > > >Canada.

> > > > > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to sell a

> > second

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > red

> > > > > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > > > > >Idit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

>_________________________________________________________________

> > > > > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @

MSN.

> > > > > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Kori, Daiga and Owen can you please explain what do you mean by:

comes pre-bent to 15 degrees? what part? Sorry I don't get it. Do

you mean the center of the bar? Or the dorsiflexion- the plate where

the shoes go? I want to understand because I will have to do it

myself, or at least I need to know how it should be.

And one more please: Dose the bar curves or is it strait?

thank you so much

Idit

> > > > > > > > Hi Idit-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I use Ease Distributers at for

ordering

> shoes

> > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > adjustable bar. They are located in central

> California and

> > > > >their

> > > > > > > number is

> > > > > > > > . You have to leave a message and they

> will

> > > call

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > back. I'm

> > > > > > > > not sure if they ship international or not but

they

> ship

> > > > >within

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > US. The

> > > > > > > > shoes cost $66.95 plus shipping from them. The bar

is

> > > close to

> > > > > > $60

> > > > > > > too. If

> > > > > > > > you can find a way to purchase all the web I would

> propably

> > > > >just

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > route though.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've never heard/seen a blue bar. I'm just aware

of

> the

> > > gold

> > > > > > (non

> > > > > > > > adjustable) and red (adjustable)ones. The red

> adjustable

> > > bar

> > > > >is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > because you can adjust it yourself and it saves

lots

> of

> > > money

> > > > > > down

> > > > > > > the road.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > > > > > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > > > > > > > >Subject: Questions about the

> new Red

> > > bar

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > where to

> > > > > > > > >find it

> > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:14:11 -0000

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Hello dear parents.

> > > > > > > > >This forum helped me so much. I have a 5-month-

old

> son

> > > with

> > > > > > > > >bilateral clubfeet. I learned here about the New

> Markel

> > > > > > products

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >I have 3 questions:

> > > > > > > > >1. What is the deference between the old blue bar

to

> the

> > > new

> > > > > > > > >adjustable red one? Since the products are

> unavailable in

> > > > > > Israel I

> > > > > > > > >want to know if it will be worth it to buy from a

> dealer

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >web or not.

> > > > > > > > >2. Dose anyone know a dealer/place in US or

Canada

> that I

> > > can

> > > > > > > > >contact? I will need shipment to Israel or to

> friends in

> > > US

> > > > >and

> > > > > > > > >Canada.

> > > > > > > > >3. Dose anyone know someone who is willing to

sell a

> > > second

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > red

> > > > > > > > >adjustable bar 9 " -15 " ?

> > > > > > > > >Thanks and have a great day

> > > > > > > > >Idit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >_________________________________________________________________

> > > > > > > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine

@

> MSN.

> > > > > > > > http://wine.msn.com/

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Idit,

I've been meaning to post about this. Glad you brought it up. I had posted

before that the first time we saw Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore he bent Zoe's

straight, non-adjustable bar himself. The other day when I took off the car

seat strap covers to wash them, I noticed that the bend was closer to her

clubfoot, not in the middle as I had previously assumed. Thought that was

interesting...

Hope this helps.

Joanne W. mom to Zoe (3-25-01, right clubfoot)

www.geocities.com/joannewalton2003/clubfootstory.html

Message: 2

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:24:50 -0000

Subject: Re: Questions about the new Red bar and where to find it

Kori, Daiga and Owen can you please explain what do you mean by:

comes pre-bent to 15 degrees? what part? Sorry I don't get it. Do

you mean the center of the bar? Or the dorsiflexion- the plate where

the shoes go? I want to understand because I will have to do it

myself, or at least I need to know how it should be.

And one more please: Dose the bar curves or is it strait?

thank you so much

Idit

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[Guest guest]

Joanne,

Our bars are bent in two spots. About 4 " from the bolt hole on each

side. I think some are bending them once in the middle, and some are

bending in two spots. I've seen pictures of the red bar and it looks like

it's curved instead of bent. I don't know enough about the red bar to say

if this is normal or not. Whatever the case, I think as long as it's bent

to 15 degrees dorsiflexion it's ok. Bending the bar in two places seems to

give baby something a little more solid to stand on than if it's bent in

the middle. I wonder if your bar was just bent closer to the CF just

because they didn't make sure to bend it in the middle?

Something else I've learned recently... and I feel a little stupid for not

figuring it out myself... is that her normal foot doesn't need the 15

degrees of dorsiflexion so theoretically her bar should only be bent on one

side. Interesting huh?

Kori

At 05:46 PM 1/31/04, you wrote:

>Idit,

>

>I've been meaning to post about this. Glad you brought it up. I had posted

>before that the first time we saw Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore he bent Zoe's

>straight, non-adjustable bar himself. The other day when I took off the car

>seat strap covers to wash them, I noticed that the bend was closer to her

>clubfoot, not in the middle as I had previously assumed. Thought that was

>interesting...

>

>Hope this helps.

>Joanne W. mom to Zoe (3-25-01, right clubfoot)

>www.geocities.com/joannewalton2003/clubfootstory.html

>

>Message: 2

> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:24:50 -0000

>

>Subject: Re: Questions about the new Red bar and where to find it

>

>Kori, Daiga and Owen can you please explain what do you mean by:

>comes pre-bent to 15 degrees? what part? Sorry I don't get it. Do

>you mean the center of the bar? Or the dorsiflexion- the plate where

>the shoes go? I want to understand because I will have to do it

>myself, or at least I need to know how it should be.

>And one more please: Dose the bar curves or is it strait?

>

>thank you so much

>Idit

>

>_________________________________________________________________

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>

[Guest guest]

Hello dears,

Thank you all. I' have been looking for a strait bar all day now. I

thought It would be easier for him to stand and walk with a strait

bar. I'm so confused. Also, I thought Oshri has " clicks " in his leg

because the shoes are not parallel to the floor. And now I see it

shouldn't be strait. I will write Dr. Ponseti and let you all now

what is his answer. I don't know how I can bend the bar my self.

Kori has a good point about bending it in two spots... well I'll see

Thank you so so much

idit

> >Idit,

> >

> >I've been meaning to post about this. Glad you brought it up. I

had posted

> >before that the first time we saw Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore he

bent Zoe's

> >straight, non-adjustable bar himself. The other day when I took

off the car

> >seat strap covers to wash them, I noticed that the bend was

closer to her

> >clubfoot, not in the middle as I had previously assumed. Thought

that was

> >interesting...

> >

> >Hope this helps.

> >Joanne W. mom to Zoe (3-25-01, right clubfoot)

> >www.geocities.com/joannewalton2003/clubfootstory.html

> >

> >Message: 2

> > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:24:50 -0000

> > From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> >Subject: Re: Questions about the new Red bar and where to find it

> >

> >Kori, Daiga and Owen can you please explain what do you mean by:

> >comes pre-bent to 15 degrees? what part? Sorry I don't get it. Do

> >you mean the center of the bar? Or the dorsiflexion- the plate

where

> >the shoes go? I want to understand because I will have to do it

> >myself, or at least I need to know how it should be.

> >And one more please: Dose the bar curves or is it strait?

> >

> >thank you so much

> >Idit

> >

> >_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Kori, can you ask your dr. about the normal foot? Dose it need to be

in a position? I already wrote Dr. Ponseti about the bar in general

and I forgot to ask him that (silly me!).

sorry

idit

> >Idit,

> >

> >I've been meaning to post about this. Glad you brought it up. I

had posted

> >before that the first time we saw Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore he

bent Zoe's

> >straight, non-adjustable bar himself. The other day when I took

off the car

> >seat strap covers to wash them, I noticed that the bend was

closer to her

> >clubfoot, not in the middle as I had previously assumed. Thought

that was

> >interesting...

> >

> >Hope this helps.

> >Joanne W. mom to Zoe (3-25-01, right clubfoot)

> >www.geocities.com/joannewalton2003/clubfootstory.html

> >

> >Message: 2

> > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:24:50 -0000

> > From: " iditwagner " <iditwagner@h...>

> >Subject: Re: Questions about the new Red bar and where to find it

> >

> >Kori, Daiga and Owen can you please explain what do you mean by:

> >comes pre-bent to 15 degrees? what part? Sorry I don't get it. Do

> >you mean the center of the bar? Or the dorsiflexion- the plate

where

> >the shoes go? I want to understand because I will have to do it

> >myself, or at least I need to know how it should be.

> >And one more please: Dose the bar curves or is it strait?

> >

> >thank you so much

> >Idit

> >

> >_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Idit,

I wanted to say ... my son has unilateral cf, and discoounting the small changes

Dr Ponseti did to accomodate the type of cf he did, this is what his bar is like

- adjustable red Fillauer (sp?) bar, slightly bent on either end, non-cf at 20

degrees (this is something fairly new they are doing, alot of doctors still use

40 degrees for non cf, either way is fine) and cf at 70 degrees. Dr Ponseti

himself adjusted Kai's bar. In Kai's case, the cf is actually set at 50

degrees, but that has to do with his personal needs. Everything else I

described is exactly as told to me by Dr Ponseti.

Angel

Re: Questions about the new Red bar and where to find it

> >

> >Kori, Daiga and Owen can you please explain what do you mean by:

> >comes pre-bent to 15 degrees? what part? Sorry I don't get it. Do

> >you mean the center of the bar? Or the dorsiflexion- the plate

where

> >the shoes go? I want to understand because I will have to do it

> >myself, or at least I need to know how it should be.

> >And one more please: Dose the bar curves or is it strait?

> >

> >thank you so much

> >Idit

> >

> >_________________________________________________________________

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