Re: needing to tweak something, Val?

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>>Question is: I'm pretty tired (as you would suspect). Do you think I

should lower my hc one more time to 27.5 or do you think I should sit

tight and wait for my next Armour increase which will be in about 4 days?

My current hc dosing is 10, 7.5., 7.5 and 5 through the night. Thinking

of lowering the 3rd dose to 5. My temps are steady for past 9 days

between 97.2 and 97.3.<<

With the problems you have had, I would hold this HC dose while you optimize the

thyroid. Adrenals CAN'T heal untiol the thyroid is optimal so I would not go any

lower withotu more thyroid support in place.

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Hi Val,

Yes, that is what part of me thinks too. But the other part wonders if I

am on too much hc for the amount of armour I am on and if that is a bad

thing? I tend to feel more tired after each of my hc day time doses.

But perhaps I should just increase my exercise overall and work off the

hc a little?

I've found I do better on my increases if I go 1/8 grain per 5-7 days, so

it will be almost 2 more weeks til I'm even on 60 mgs Armour.

thanks for your help,

Dahlia

wrote:

>>Question is: I'm pretty tired (as you would suspect). Do you think I

should lower my hc one more time to 27.5 or do you think I should sit

tight and wait for my next Armour increase which will be in about 4 days?

My current hc dosing is 10, 7.5., 7.5 and 5 through the night. Thinking

of lowering the 3rd dose to 5. My temps are steady for past 9 days

between 97.2 and 97.3.<<

With the problems you have had, I would hold this HC dose while you

optimize the thyroid. Adrenals CAN'T heal untiol the thyroid is optimal

so I would not go any lower withotu more thyroid support in place.

[Guest guest]

>>Yes, that is what part of me thinks too. But the other part wonders if I

am on too much hc for the amount of armour I am on and if that is a bad

thing? I tend to feel more tired after each of my hc day time doses.

But perhaps I should just increase my exercise overall and work off the

hc a little?<<

Feeling tired after a HC dose is NOT from too much. It is from habvign ENOUGH

cortilsl as you are used to running on adrenaline. I do NOT recvommend exercise

during the ramp up with HC or thyroid time. If your cortiosl falls too low from

exercise the thyroid STOP getting to the cells and this will show up in LOW

temps after exerciseing.

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[Guest guest]

>>btw, I do currently engage in light exercise like walking and my temps

are not effected. Does that mean it's not stressing the adrenals and is

okay?<<

Usng temps is an excellent weay to tel if ti is too much, and as your temps are

unaffected, I would say it is perfect.

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[Guest guest]

>>btw, I do currently engage in light exercise like walking and my temps

are not effected. Does that mean it's not stressing the adrenals and is

okay?<<

Usng temps is an excellent weay to tel if ti is too much, and as your

temps are unaffected, I would say it is perfect.

Hi Val,

One last question: my basal temps have been steady at 97.3, but my first

a.m. reading 3 hours after I wake up is usually 96.9. And my overall

temps for the day are pretty steady at 97.3. But I don't understand why

the first waking temp would be lower than the basal.

Any thoughts on this?

Thank you!

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>One last question: my basal temps have been steady at 97.3, but my first

a.m. reading 3 hours after I wake up is usually 96.9. And my overall

temps for the day are pretty steady at 97.3. But I don't understand why

the first waking temp would be lower than the basal.<<

That sounds liek adrenal stress. But it could be that your thyroid simply runs

out then. How much thyroid are you on and how are you dosing it?

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Hi Val,

I don't understand this. When Armour runs out, temps get higher? Please tell me

how this happens.

Thank you,

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From: T

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:12 AM

>> But I don't understand why the first waking temp would be lower than the

basal.<<

That sounds liek adrenal stress. But it could be that your thyroid simply runs

out then. How much thyroid are you on and how are you dosing it?

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[Guest guest]

>>I don't understand this. When Armour runs out, temps get higher? Please tell

me how this happens.<<

Not Armour, T3. And temps get LOWER not higher.

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Hi, I'm sorry for the extra email. I saw that totally wrong.

While we are on temps, my basal today was the highest ever, 98.7 (ax). Previouly

it has never been out of the 97s and sometimes in the 95s. Does that mean that

something good is happening or do I need to cut back on something? I'm confused.

Could it be that I'm taking too high of a dose of the HC cream? I'm still

waiting for the HC shipment. Yesterday, my BGs were higher than usual so I cut

way back on the cream, and this morning, the high temp. Do I need to change

anything? I'm on 3.25 grains of Armour, no thyroid. I'm trying to get the

eqiuvalent of 7 Isocort in the cream.

Thanks,

>>>Not Armour, T3. And temps get LOWER not higher.

[Guest guest]

It is likely you used more cream than you were getting from the Isocort

and it is causing a bit of a thyroid dump.

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[Guest guest]

>>One last question: my basal temps have been steady at 97.3, but my

first

a.m. reading 3 hours after I wake up is usually 96.9. And my overall

temps for the day are pretty steady at 97.3. But I don't understand why

the first waking temp would be lower than the basal.<<

That sounds liek adrenal stress. But it could be that your thyroid simply

runs out then. How much thyroid are you on and how are you dosing it?

Hi Val,

If you recall, I had to start from scratch last month, and so far I'm

only taking 45 mg Armour, like this:

15 mg when I wake up (6 am), 15 mg at around 1 pm and 15 mg when I wake

up at night around midnight--I'm trying to stretch out the doses as much

as possible to lessen adrenal stress. The dose in the middle of the

night helps me sleep. This could also be raising the basal temp? This

a.m. it was 97.6, yesterday 97.3. So not sure how reliable it is for me

anyway.

I'm also taking my last dose of 5mg hc during the night too, as my

bedtime is too early to take hc (8 pm).

Total hc: 30 mg, at 6, 10, 2, middle of the night.

Today is the big day! I am planning on adding 7.5 mg Armour, around 5 or

6 pm and if my temps stay steady, I will try to add another 7.5 in 3 or 4

days or maybe more, and spread that out with my other doses. That would

bring me to 60 armour. I'm holding each raise 1 week.

What do you think?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>Today is the big day! I am planning on adding 7.5 mg Armour, around 5 or

6 pm and if my temps stay steady, I will try to add another 7.5 in 3 or 4

days or maybe more, and spread that out with my other doses. That would

bring me to 60 armour. I'm holding each raise 1 week.

What do you think?<<

Sounds good! I really htink you are running out of thyroid and that is why your

temps dip after you have been up.

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You might be on the right track....I was on too much HC and not

enough Armour. It was causing a conversion problem. I thought at

first it was a Reverse T3 problem but, it ended up to be too much

cortisol. The longer I was on too high a dose, the more side effects

started to appear. So, I started the weaning process-- I eventually

lowered my Cortisol to 27.5 and then raised my Armour up once. I am

down to 20 HC (equiv.-Medrol @ 4 mg) and will be raising my Armour

again. So, for some of us, it is better to lower the HC down first,

bc of conversion problems and then raise Armour....we are each

individual. BTW-if you are having a gut feeling, go with that....it

is usually right!

Good luck! :0)

Dana

> >>Question is: I'm pretty tired (as you would suspect). Do you

think I

> should lower my hc one more time to 27.5 or do you think I should

sit

> tight and wait for my next Armour increase which will be in about 4

days?

>

> My current hc dosing is 10, 7.5., 7.5 and 5 through the night.

Thinking

> of lowering the 3rd dose to 5. My temps are steady for past 9 days

> between 97.2 and 97.3.<<

>

> With the problems you have had, I would hold this HC dose while you

> optimize the thyroid. Adrenals CAN'T heal untiol the thyroid is

optimal

> so I would not go any lower withotu more thyroid support in place.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Sounds good! I really think you are running out of thyroid and that is

why your temps dip after you have been up.>>

Hi Val,

Well, with that endorsement, I feel good to go!

Thanks, I certainly feel like I'm running out of thyroid, I've just

wanted to go really slow and not mess up. I just can't wait for my

increase today, I feel like a little kid on her birthday!

Dahlia

p.s. What do you think of my dosing schedule?

<<15 mg when I wake up (6 am), 15 mg at around 1 pm and 15 mg when I

wake

up at night around midnight--I'm trying to stretch out the doses as much

as possible to lessen adrenal stress..I am planning on adding 7.5 mg

Armour, around 5 or

6 pm ..>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val, I'm re-sending this, as I don't think you've seen it. Thanks!

Dahlia

Dahlia: >>One last question: my basal temps have been steady at 97.3, but

my first

a.m. reading 3 hours after I wake up is usually 96.9. And my overall

temps for the day are pretty steady at 97.3. But I don't understand why

the first waking temp would be lower than the basal.<<

Val: >>That sounds liek adrenal stress. But it could be that your thyroid

simply runs out then. How much thyroid are you on and how are you dosing

it?>>

Val: >>Sounds good! I really think you are running out of thyroid and

that is

why your temps dip after you have been up.>>

Hi Val,

Well, with that endorsement, I feel good to go!

Thanks, I certainly feel like I'm running out of thyroid, I've just

wanted to go really slow and not mess up. I just can't wait for my

increase today, I feel like a little kid on her birthday!

Dahlia

p.s. What do you think of my dosing schedule?

<<15 mg when I wake up (6 am), 15 mg at around 1 pm and 15 mg when I

wake

up at night around midnight--I'm trying to stretch out the doses as much

as possible to lessen adrenal stress..I am planning on adding 7.5 mg

Armour, around 4 or 5 pm>>

[Guest guest]

>>p.s. What do you think of my dosing schedule?

<<15 mg when I wake up (6 am), 15 mg at around 1 pm and 15 mg when I

wake

up at night around midnight--I'm trying to stretch out the doses as much

as possible to lessen adrenal stress..I am planning on adding 7.5 mg

Armour, around 4 or 5 pm>><<

That sounds perfect.It seems with weak adrenals breaking the doses up as much as

possible helps the body utilize it best.

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[Guest guest]

" " artisticgroomer@... valharly wrote:

<<15 mg when I wake up (6 am), 15 mg at around 1 pm and 15 mg when I

wake

up at night around midnight--I'm trying to stretch out the doses as much

as possible to lessen adrenal stress..I am planning on adding 7.5 mg

Armour, around 4 or 5 pm>><<

>>That sounds perfect.It seems with weak adrenals breaking the doses up

as much as possible helps the body utilize it best.>>

Thanks, Val! Dosing times seem almost as important as the amount of

Armour, at least as far as the adrenals are concerned.