Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Theresa, As far as testing goes, we didn't do all the viral panels that are lsited in the book, our doctor tested my son as what he saw as the problems. My son didn't exhibit viral symptoms, I took him to allergist/immunologist because ped neurologist gave me NOTHING to go on, she jsut told me to continue with therapy etc, and bring him back in a year and if focusing was still an issue, ... I saw where that was leading and vowed I wouldn't be coming back to see her. The doctor I am taking my son to has been doing this for 30 plus years, so one gets a feel for this over time, he told me, what he has been seeing in children over the past 10 years is a total deterioration in cognition that is fueled by something yet to be named... but he said it will be bigger than the tobacco lawsuits.He said this is huge breakthru, for our generation health wise, we are the products of an over immunized generation producing over assaulted children who are then further assaulted. Did you know that HiB vaccine contains 8 viruses in one vaccine? Neither did I, coupled along with the other one they get at that visit, I know my son received DTap at the same visit so count it up that is 11 viruses at once, and who remembers those early visits? Don't take your child out in public places for first several weeks, keep ill people away, they can't localize an infection well because the blood brain barrier isn't formed yet, well hello, injecting that many viruses at one time to a baby that has not fully developed immune system, I honestly don't think they did the research needed at our childrens expense. I remember calling Merck after a bad reaction to Varivax, they honestly told me when they did the initial research they did not follow after 42 days, that was it, not one follow up study. Sounds like a bit of vioxx goiing on there. Enough about that. Anyway, my son's doctor said he sends all his " suspect patients " , whatever their diagnosis, AD/ADHD, speech disorders, tourette kids, anyone with any hint of learning disability issue to Jill , not just autistic children, because he said it is the SAME exact cause, just manifests differently, and he said the numbers match, they all seem to have the same exact issue, not detoxing, and over time it is accumulating. So like I said the initial study is for autictic children because that was the focus, however evidence proves otherwise, they seem to all be coming back with the same out of whack numbers.So rather than it being a working hypothesis, I believe it just blossomed into including other children. Even, get this, a friend of mine niece is 20 years old, received Hep b to get into college 2 years ago, child had hx of diabetes developed chronic fatigue, migraines, had to withdraw out of school last May, couldn't keep up. The mom took her to my son's doctor, she too had same exact problem, now doing much better on same treatments, she only started 6 weeks ago, but feels much improved, so this goes way beyond autism. As far as testing went, he did amino acid panel,(fasting,)urine organic acid then your routine labs, cbc,SMA28, thyroid panel thyroid antibodies, myelin basic protein antibodies,(guess that is a viral indication) celiac panel, homocysteine, folate, rbc folate, vitamin b1,b6 and b12 , T and B cell enumeration IgG,A,M,E, IGG subclasses 1- 4, amonia pyruvate and lactate levels, and lipid panel. As far as getting more info for the study, that I will have to ask Doctor about, I knwo there are several doctors working with her who they are I don't know. I know of several different studies going on, but most all are autism directed, and according to Jill , she feels this is the main area that the problems will come from seeing the improvements accross the board, alot of the other studies seem to be too scattered gene wise.I hope this helps, and again just ask, I would be more than willing to point youin the direction you need, if I can.Good luck with your move. Colleen -- In , Theresa Truax <tltbaku@y...> wrote: > > Colleen and Everyone, > > Thanks so fantastically much for this! I'm going to digest it all and will probably ask some clarifying questions based on what I know from the Children with Starving Brains book, which basically sets out what Binstock told me was a " middle of the road " DAN! protocol. I know, for example, that testing and evaluation is important, so I will want to know if the tests you included hee are the only tests that were run, rather than all the standard ones first, etc. As a frist reaction, how did you implement this diet? Wow, I have tons of work to do just to get started on it! I've been figuring out how to implement the GF/CF, but to add soy, egg and corn to the banned list takes away many of my substitute foods! Anyone know of an asian cookbook for kids? But I am in jest -- we will figure it all out, not to worry -- I'm just venting in a vaguely humorous way! > > Do you know if there is a way for me to get more information on the S Jill study you are part of, other articles by her, contact information for her? I would very much like the docotor (and associated laboratory - the European Laboratory of Nutrients) we have contacted here and who has attended several DAN! conferences in the US to contact her about this. Perhaps she can give us more information for our docotors here on the protocol for the study you are with. Can you tell me or point me to infomration on what the working hypothesis of the study you're with is, why it included non- autistic children, etc? Is this a published clinical trial or something? If so, there is probably a website that announces it. Anything you can give me would be great as I must get most of my info through the internet. > > I am still in a transition period and will hopefully be moving today into our temporary housing today (3 months) as we await our furniture's arrival by ship. It MAY take me several days to get online again, I just don't know. Please bear with my silence if I don't respond immediately. > > I am very excited about this and feel very strongly that it could help us. I hope that others will try it, too. > > Much love and peace to all of you and Happy New Year, > Theresa > > > Colleen, is > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:56:28 -0000 > From: " deverelementary " > Subject: Re:EWG Report ---- Autism report news release 12.13.04 > > > Theresa, > > No problem, strict gf/cf/soyfree/preservative,egg,chocolate,corn, > corn syrup,peanut,sugar, color/dye free,fluoride free for one month, > second month begin nutritional supplements: > Nuthera 2 capsules a day one am one pm > TMG one am one pm > Folinic Acid(folinic NOT folic) two capsules a day one am one pm > The above are the supplements to drastically increase glutathione > (MAJOR anti-oxidant in the body, boys have less than females, illness > lowers it, so do environmental assaults ie,vaccines, car > exhaust,pesticides in foods, etc) > > Diet wise second month challenge foods, sugar in excess for a day, > watch for reactions,reactions may last as long as 3 days, ANY change > is significant, looser stools,firmer stools, sleepy,hyper, red > eyes,red ears,behavior. > > If no reaction challenge another food, say dyes, give kool aid in > excess, the mix you make with regular sugar one food item you already > challenged and had no reaction to.Wait 3 days, then do say, > preservatives, let them eat a hot dog that has preservatives(major > offender BHT, MSG) > > Once you are aware of what causes issues, you just don't let them eat > it, meanwhile still gf/cf. As time goes on and body/heatlh is > improving, a little skittles here or there, or starburst is ok. > Major to the improvements is getting bowel movements daily, we were > told to use:(42 pound 6 year old) > Magnessium citrate one teaspoon daily (1/2 am 1/2 pm) > Zinc one teaspoon daily at bedtime (away from food, doesn't absorb > well w/food in stomach. > ProEFA 3 caps daily, on it's own > > Month 3 we added methyl b 12 every other day, steady > balance/coordintaion improvements the longer we gave this beynd the 3 > month study dictates. > N-AC was added to the mix in month 4 huge nurturing/affctionate > skills came with this one, reading ability skyrocketed, major > handwriting improvements/neatness/speed.Teacher told me at last > parent teacher conference (November, he is way ahead of the other > children (mainstream 1st grade, no IEP, no speech, no OT/PT)in all > areas, reading, spelling, math. I was speechless, but had noticed it > all at home with his ability to read his sisters pleasure books, > Lemony snickets series.) > > Teacher said, he is ALWAYS focused and in tune, she said she wished > the whole class would do what he is doing. > Turn the clock back one year ago, he was crying in class,unable to > pronounce letters, or sounds of them, chewing his clothing,(came home > many a day with missing shirt buttons), sppech therapy twice a weeek, > one step foward two backwards. no consistancy with progress, same as > for PT/OT, one day ability was there, the next day gone. Consistantly > inconsistant. > > We are still in the study, and as mentioned above it is what we are > doing, now in the process, of cutting down on the m b12, to see what > his right fit is, it is not a deficiency of b12 that drives this, it > is the inablity of the body to use the form it has, so more of a > dependancy of mb12, so we are trying to find his lowest dose of need, > and on we go.. > > Just a point of note, DIET is major here, you really can't do one > without the other, it is a sensitivity issue, any inflammation > impedes the nutritional uptake of what the child needs, and the most > common offenders are gluten/casein.The immune system is totally > regulated in the gut, it is where glutathione is formed with the > liver/intestines/stomach being the sources of this process. > > The things she measured that would indicate reduced ability to detox > would be a low methionine level, low homocysteine, low cysteine > level.these numbers were accross the board with AD/ADHD, autism, CAPD > the numbers were not any different among the children, the only thing > different was the childs response to these numbers, they are all > affected differently. > > She did a thiol profile, which measures other detox pathways in the > body, I believe there are six pathways she tested for, but the most > prevalent, (which is according to researchers, about 40% of > caucasions)is the MTHFR gene, some of the others she tested came in > around 20-30% some only 10-15% so that is what McCAndeles mentions is > the appendix of children with starving brains, most common and > TMG/Folinic/Mb12 does the trick.Unfortunately Jill lab is the > only lab in the country doing the blood testing, at this point. > > Being homozygous for MTHFR you have a 60 % reduced ability to detox > toxins, heterozygous a 30% reduced ability, we are heterozygous all 6 > of us at our household.And my son (I have 3 girls also) is the only > one that has had a problem, I do see some things in my girls but not > affecting them cognitively, and my youngest wont be getting anymore > vaccines, just to be on the safe side. > > I have sent 9 people to get tested(not related to me in anyway) and > all 9 are positive, and they all have kids that have various issues, > CAPD, AD/ADHD, speech disorders, PDD, autism.And their kids are all > positive also, so pretty statistically significant if you are a > numbers person. > > One thing to note, a starting point bllod work wise, my son's blood > was the only one from our house that was sent to Jill because > of his cognitive issues, doctor sent our bloods to regular lab, for > > Methylenetetrahydrofolate Reductse (MTHFR) > Homocysteine, > serum b12, > rbc folate > b6 > > > As far as brand of supplements for the study, they were all Kirkmans, > and Proefa was Nordic Naturals. Not pushing any Kirkmans products but > was part of the study for research purposes, no variables. > > So, Theresa, that is most of it in a LONG nut shell, I hope this > helps you get to where we are, and you are way ahead of the game, she > is sooooo young, the younger the better.Good luck, and e-mail me when > ever you have any questions, be so glad to help if I can, the results > are amazing to say the least. > > Colleen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hi all, I'm back online and am just now devouring all the important materials Colleen has sent to us. How will we ever be able to thank you, Colleen? If there is anyone interested in heavy metal toxicity and neurodevelopmental / learning disorders, a very interesting first read is a book called " Turning Lead Into Gold: How Heavy Metal Poisoning Can Affect Your Child and How to Prevent and Treat It, " by Halladay , RN and Zigurts Strauts, MD. It was written in 1995, so it won't have all the new research on glutathione, new chelating agents, the DAN! protocol, etc. But it is quite amazing how much these people knew then about what was going on and it does detail a variety of heavy metals, where they come from in the environment (not vaccines in this book, so you have to order Cave's book for info on vaccines, or the new one on mercury and vaccines that is due out soon) and what you can do to prevent environmental exposure. Halliday had a pair of twins who were severely ADHD with autistic tendencies -- so much so that her descriptions of them make them look like a couple of " wild child " kids. They would tear of every stitch of their clothes, eat walls and car upholstery (severe pica), smear their feces everywhere, etc. They could barely take the boys on an outing, it was so bad. Strauts was the doctor who first proposed heavy metals as the cause and chelation as the " cure " (of course the new research suggests that a " cure " is far more complex than just chelating). They tested them for body burden of heavy metals and chelated them and extremely large amounts of lead, arsenic, cadmium, and more came out of their bodies. The twins improved immediately, and after 18 months and 6 rounds of chelating had lost their diagnoses and displayed only mild symptoms in two out of fourteen indices on which they previously had scored severe. Interestingly, Hallaway found that many kids in her neighborhood of North Vancouver, British Columbia, had neurodevelopmental disorders -- those who were chelated were either " cured " or were vastly improved. It's a very interesting read, even if it is 10 years old, and it relates to all the new research coming out and to what Colleen has experienced. When, Halladay asks, will we be ready to except the evidence? Good question... Maybe now with all this research by S. Jill and colleagues. Another interesting article I found online is by Neubrander, MD, one of ' colleagues in the new research, and the one who has done the most research on methylcobalamin (methyl B12). The article is from 2003, before all the new work he's been doing with on glutathione and methylcobalamin - http://www.autisme-montreal.com/congres/2003/Neubrander.html Make sure to follow the links at the bottom of the page to see the rest of his materials. He has the entire protocol he uses for methylcobalamin injections, and it is a VERY interesting read. In citing some of the research literature on methylcobalamin he says this: methylcobalamin deficiency found in early infancy shows developmental delay and hypotonia; transmethylation by methylcobalamin may induce functional recovery from ischemia; methylcobalamin's direct and/or indirect role in protection from demyelination and/or its potential role in remyelination. These are just some highlights I thought everyone here would be interested in. And guess what one sign of B12 deficiency is -- abnormal gait -- sound like global apraxia? Binstock of the Autism Research Institute told me the following about the methyl B12 connection: " The current interest in mB12 (methylcobalamin) comes from Neubrander, MD, and from many clinicians' results therewith, from findings of Jill , PhD. Also, there is so much positive anecdotal evidence that the MIND Institute is launching a mB12 study in collaboration with Autism Research Institute. " I believe that she was referring to the UC MIND Institute. Here's their website: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mindinstitute/ They have a large database of clinical studies they are doing, some of which may be applicable and several other interesting elements on their website such as their position on vaccines and lots of resources. Okay all, I've got to run and try to stock up our new kitchen with supplies and help my beloved husband with our dearly beloved daughter! Lots of love to you and yours, Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Colleen, Thank you so much! So your doc has been in the know for 30 yrs,what a find!Where are you located?Does he know of any likeminded docs in VA?We live in Va Beach area,and the lack of any knowledge or interest in biomedical interventions is unbelievable.I recently switched peds and the new one is nice but old thinking is hard to overcome.I know she would give me a referal if asked,she offered to give me one to Dr.Megson but she does not take insurance I agree with you competely with the immunization link,my 11 yr old dd HFA regressed after her 18 mo shots,she continues to have regressions from time to time.Autism for her has been the gift that keeps on giving.My 13 yr old ds has aspergers,He has made tremendous progress with gfcf diet and CLO.The differences between the two,my dd stayed ill and was on antibiotics off and on for years.And they were born in different states Again thank you so much for all the great information,it is so very appreciated Theresa in Va Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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