OT: Nutrition classes for doctors

[Guest guest]

> Most doctors only have 2 classes in nutrition, this is not their

> field.

>

Only *2*? With Type 2 diabetes running rampant across the world??

Worse than I thought. Although I'm not sure a dietary education -

I'd think the usual high-carb, low-fat, Ancel-Keys-flawed-seven-

countries-study doga based - would be *good* for diabetics - but more

than 2 would be a start.. Maybe class 3 would actually talk in

detail about ketogenic metabolism, insulin-sensitive lipase, leptin,

different kinds of fat (abdominal vs. hips/other-place - where do men

preferentially store fat if not in the belly area?), and the

deleterious effects of trans-fat. It might even get to how at least

one study glumped " animal fat " in with hydrogenated-oil trans-fat " ,

before we appreciated the specific dangers of trans-fat, and so has

suspect or totally invalid conclusions for fat intake ( " animal fat

hypothesis " by Wydner in 1965, referenced in Know Your Fats, p84).

Jim Witte

[Guest guest]

The doctors hand out a diet sheet, send the patient to weight watchers,

and or classes in nutrition.

From: Jim Witte

... Maybe class 3 would actually talk in

detail about ketogenic metabolism, insulin-sensitive lipase, leptin,

different kinds of fat (abdominal vs. hips/other-place - where do men

preferentially store fat if not in the belly area?), and the

deleterious effects of trans-fat. It might even get to how at least

one study glumped " animal fat " in with hydrogenated-oil trans-fat " ,

before we appreciated the specific dangers of trans-fat, and so has

suspect or totally invalid conclusions for fat intake ( " animal fat

hypothesis " by Wydner in 1965, referenced in Know Your Fats, p84).

Jim Witte

[Guest guest]

And how much time do they spend on the endocrine system? This is what I found

out while I was an undergrad at a major university:

2 weeks on the endocrine system

1 day on thyroid

When the med student told me that, I laughed and asked her if she had any

curiosity to explore this topic more in depth.....

She was already wearing her white lab coat in the library...

Tasia

[Guest guest]

My endo didn't even know that cold hands and feet are a symptom of

hypothyroid even though it is considered one of the most common. When I

pointed to a diagram on her wall that had it listed, she said " oh, well that

is outdated. " What an idiot. She seemed obsessed with my weight and the fact

that even though I gained 30 lbs I was still thinner than her. I knew then

and there I was in big trouble.

It would be fun to write a book on all the horrible doctors we have had over

the years. A comedy-tragedy.

Cheri

Re:OT: Nutrition classes for doctors

And how much time do they spend on the endocrine system? This is what I

found out while I was an undergrad at a major university:

2 weeks on the endocrine system

1 day on thyroid

When the med student told me that, I laughed and asked her if she had any

curiosity to explore this topic more in depth.....

She was already wearing her white lab coat in the library...

Tasia

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[Guest guest]

This sounds like the endo here who said that the data that Durant-

Peatfield relied on (that Armour actually *worked for decades*, about

physiologic cortisol support, etc was 'outdated'. I saw him once,

then I ran when he wanted to retest with TSH at 5.9 already and said

it was 'borderline'. How can an endocrinologist not know probably

the second most well-known hypoT effect after weight-gain (which

isn't universal) and even pass whatever test endo's have to pass to

get into the specialty? Of course, as a older T1-diabetic I know

said, most of an endo's patients are diabetics, not hypoT's. Well,

some are probably both, but only the diabetes is recognized.

Jim

> My endo didn't even know that cold hands and feet are a symptom of

> hypothyroid even though it is considered one of the most common.

> When I

> pointed to a diagram on her wall that had it listed, she said " oh,

> well that

> is outdated. " What an idiot.

[Guest guest]

Endo's do mainly focus on diabetes, they're not nearly as adept at

thyroid issues. My daughter has both T1 and Hashi's, it's ridiculous

how her thyroid issues get treated.

Linn

>

> This sounds like the endo here who said that the data that Durant-

> Peatfield relied on (that Armour actually *worked for decades*, about

> physiologic cortisol support, etc was 'outdated'. I saw him once,

> then I ran when he wanted to retest with TSH at 5.9 already and said

> it was 'borderline'. How can an endocrinologist not know probably

> the second most well-known hypoT effect after weight-gain (which

> isn't universal) and even pass whatever test endo's have to pass to

> get into the specialty? Of course, as a older T1-diabetic I know

> said, most of an endo's patients are diabetics, not hypoT's. Well,

> some are probably both, but only the diabetes is recognized.

>

> Jim

[Guest guest]

>>Endo's do mainly focus on diabetes, they're not nearly as adept at

thyroid issues. <<

Well if the state of MOST Diabetics is any guage, the whoel Endocrinology system

is in trouble! Here I ma with the best A1c of ANY of my doctors Diabetic

patients an guess what.. he ha d nothign to do with it. Until I got Diabetes I

thuhgt Endos all were specialized in Diabetes too, but now I kno they specialize

in NOT KNOWING ANYTHING.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Ain't that the truth. I could tell horror stories. One endo is surprised at my

good control and when I wsked him to hire me to help his other patients, he uses

the excuses, 1) he can't afford me or 2) if someone is not motivated, it won't

work anyway. Sheesh.

Another endo, when I told him I found out how to not get complications he

actually said to me " Shhh, now you know my secret. " IOW, if his patients stay

ill, he makes a new car/house payment and doesn't get perks for handing his

neoro, ortho, nephro,opthalmo buddies his screw-ups.

>>>Until I got Diabetes I thuhgt Endos all were specialized in Diabetes too, but

now I kno they specialize in NOT KNOWING ANYTHING.

[Guest guest]

Val,

I TOTALLY cracked up when I just read this post. The subject matter isn't funny

at all, but you make me laugh!! Supposedly the endo I was just working with is

known as " Chief Medical Officer " and HIGHLY regarded for his knowledge and

treatment of diabetes, adrenals, pituitary, and thyroid. I must say he was the

best I've seen and I also liked that he was open-minded and when he didn't know

or hadn't heard of something he would say " I haven't heard of that " instead of

" that's a quack thing " , however, I do have to question his ability too when he

stated that a " full replacment dose " for a 190 lb. person with adrenal

insufficiency is 20 mgs. AND when he says that plasma DHEA levels of 38 are

NORMAL. Good thing I know better!!

Re: Re:OT: Nutrition classes for doctors

>>Endo's do mainly focus on diabetes, they're not nearly as adept at

thyroid issues. <<

Well if the state of MOST Diabetics is any guage, the whoel Endocrinology

system is in trouble! Here I ma with the best A1c of ANY of my doctors Diabetic

patients an guess what.. he ha d nothign to do with it. Until I got Diabetes I

thuhgt Endos all were specialized in Diabetes too, but now I kno they specialize

in NOT KNOWING ANYTHING.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/