Re: Hypocondriac? NOT!

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> I don't understand why people (and drs.) don't believe in adrenal

> insufficiency or adrenal fatigue. If any other part of the body

> malfunctions

> there is no question about it. I've never heard anyone say " I don't

> believe

> in gastric ulcers " or " I don't believe in cardiac insufficiency " or

> any

> other illness. How is it that people can say one part of the body

> can not

> malfunction? Or that it isn't really malfunctioning till you are

> nearly

> dead? I just don't get it. My GYN actually looked at me & said " You

> don't

> look like you have adrenal fatigue " .

>

I think that's it - there is no " look " to adrenal fatigue (or

thyroid problems) until they are quite advanced and you are nearly

dead. The same thing with depression, and it's generally thought to

be undertreated I think, and there certainly is a stigma too it (as

with all mental illnessnes I think - back to the good-ol American " I

can get over anything MYSELF - I don't need any help.. " mentality)

Is AF as a recognized (by some) condition " new " ? I can well

imagine that it's incidence is increasing, as our society becomes

faster and more stressful in general, and we push ourselves close to

or beyond our personal limits.. But it could be that it's just so

new, and so easy to mis-diagnose. Mis-diagnosed unconsciously I

would think (I'm not that Machiavellian - yet anyway). But

influenced by a conservative medical culture, doctors not having time

to keep up with the research, having " handy " remedies for the

symptoms (which are conveniently pushed by drug reps at every

opportunity..), not willing to rely on empirical " other patient

success " evidence for fear of lawsuits and covering their @$$'s with

clinical " journal-research " and professional-organization dogma (a

whole other can of worms-of-influence), and not having enough time

with patients period

> And another time he said " You know,

> some drs. don't believe in adrenal fatigue " . Yes, I do know

> that ;-) Too bad

> they don't treat their patients very well.

> Also from my GYN " You don't get pain in your adrenals "

>

Oh HELL - if you have Type 1 diabetes, you don't get pain in your

pancreas because your immune system is eating through your islets

EITHER.. I'm sure there are a few GYN conditions (that are

recognized) that you " don't get pain in " either.. (Not being a

woman, I wouldn't know, but I'm sure at least some of the cancers

can't be felt until the tumors are well advanced) Male doctors don't

say that about prostate cancer just because you " can't feel it " (I

don't think - at least in early stages). We don't say that about

breast cancer (or testicular cancer).. Jesus H. Christ.. (And what

DOES the H stand for anyway? Not H$!! I hope ;-)) What is the world

coming to - and why do I feel like I'm in a fast-moving hand-basket

> I told him that I must have some whopping kidney disease then

> because that is where the pain is. He offered to do an MRI of my

> kidneys, I declined.

>

You shouldn't have - the adrenals sit right on top of them, and they

MIGHT have shown up. But again, that would diagnose near 's

if anything at all, and wouldn't do anything if the problem is

secondary in the pituitary, except lighten your wallet by a lot..

> I fail to see how they can deny that adrenal glands can be in

> pain. Why the heck not? I had back pain for years that I assumed

> was muscular pain until I joined this

> group & started taking HC (Look Mom! No more pain!)

>

Define pain for them.. I went to one doctor who was one of those

docs at a university who you figure either can't cut it at a semi-

private practice group, or doesn't want the mess of only 10 minutes

with each patient, and reams of paperwork to do.. I mentioned the

symptoms I " felt " (basically fatigue and low energy) And he said

something along the lines of, " well, fatigue isn't really a good

measure. What one person calls fatigue, another.. How do you define

it? Translation: we'll stick with good-ol-sort-of-accurate-some-of-

the-time TSH, even if it IS two steps removed from actual T3..

Jim

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Jim,

Kidney pain can indicate kidney stones. Been there and done that one. Not fun.

Not fun at all. You should get the MRI. It could show stones. Mine did. If you

have kidney pain, PLEASE, please get it checked. Stones are horrible. The pain

is indescribable. I was vomiting from the pain it was so horrific. And I was

told by one of our friends (male) that it is much worse in men, so please at

least get it checked out.

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Where abouts is your adrenal pain?

I have had bad lower back pain for a couple of weeks, usually sleeping with a

tens machine for a few nights sorts it out but this just will not goa away.

Could this be adrenal pain? I am currently on 40mg Cortef dosed 5 times and no

t3 praying temps will stabalise.

Thanks

Caroline

B wrote:

Also from my GYN " You don't get pain in your adrenals " I told him that I

must have some whopping kidney disease then because that is where the pain

is.

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>

>

>> I don't understand why people (and drs.) don't believe in adrenal

>> insufficiency or adrenal fatigue.

>>

What comes to my mind with the statement above is there are many

diseases/conditions that are not " recognized " as being a disease until

they are full-blown. The medical establishment surely recognizes

's and Cushing's, so it is ridiculous that they seem in practice

to admit no intermediate steps to the full-blown frank diseases. There

are papers, studies, and articles sufficient to prove that there are

indeed intermediate stages to these diseases, but doctors generally

don't act as if they have ever heard of a disease progressing from a

mild beginning to an extreme acute stage. They know diseases progress,

are taught this, presumably, and yet manage to ignore it so completely

in their daily practice with patients. It is really beyond me at this

point in my life to believe most doctors can actually think and reason

logically at all. It is why I have so little respect for the profession

as a whole.

sol

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When I had it, my back pain was on both sides of my lower back (flank).

Right where the kidneys are (and the adrenals sit on top of the kidneys.

Sometimes I could barely move with the pain. I thought it was muscle pain,

knew it wasn't spine.Now, only if I'm really stressed or forget to take my

HC do I get the pain & it's usually not severe.

I don't know if what you have is adrenal pain. With 40 mgs of HC I don't

see how it would be but I'm not the expert here. Val would know, I'm sure.

B

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Re: Hypocondriac? NOT!

> Where abouts is your adrenal pain?

> I have had bad lower back pain for a couple of weeks, usually sleeping

> with a tens machine for a few nights sorts it out but this just will not

> goa away. Could this be adrenal pain? I am currently on 40mg Cortef dosed

> 5 times and no t3 praying temps will stabalise.

>

> Thanks

> Caroline

[Guest guest]

>> I told him that I must have some whopping kidney >>disease then because

>> that is where the pain is. He >>offered to do an MRI of my kidneys, I

>> declined.

>

>You shouldn't have - the adrenals sit right on top of >them, and they

>MIGHT have shown up. But again, >that would diagnose near 's if

>anything at all, >and wouldn't do anything if the problem is secondary >in

>the pituitary, except lighten your wallet by a lot..

That's the biggest reason why I declined the MRI.

>Define pain for them..

Good idea. I have not done that.

Thanks for your insights, Jim.

B

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[Guest guest]

,

In my case it was on both sides at the same time so I never even

considered kidney stones. Also my pain did not progress to " vomiting and

indescribable " , but was helped by resting and even more by HC.

B

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----- Original Message -----

> Jim,

> Kidney pain can indicate kidney stones. Been there and done that one. Not

> fun. Not fun at all. You should get the MRI. It could show stones. Mine

> did. If you have kidney pain, PLEASE, please get it checked. Stones are

> horrible. The pain is indescribable. I was vomiting from the pain it was

> so horrific. And I was told by one of our friends (male) that it is much

> worse in men, so please at least get it checked out.

[Guest guest]

B,

I am SO glad it wasn't KS! Also glad that the HC and resting more helped your

adrenals. HC and resting is helping mine, also. Yes, pain on both sides would

indicate something other than KS! I should point out that pain IN the kidney can

indicate a kidney infection - been there and done that. Pain for a KS is

generally a little lower once the stone has passed out of the kidney and is

progressing down the urethra. OMGosh, the pain is quite horrible. The urethra is

tiny, but my stone was 2-3 times the size of the tube. As the stone goes further

down the urethra the pain wraps around from the back, kidney area, to the front,

so they had to make a determination in the ER if it was kidney or some other

abdominal pain, as this was my first time with KS. DH said I was literally

writhing in pain. I don't really remember the ER too much until I got the pain

reliever in the vein! It was horrible. Truly horrendous pain. Never want to go

there again, so I drink plenty of water and eat

raw pineapple when I can - it has enzymes in it that can actually dissolve

small stones. Watermelon is another fruit that is good for prevention of KS.

C.

<<<<< ,

In my case it was on both sides at the same time so I never even

considered kidney stones. Also my pain did not progress to " vomiting and

indescribable " , but was helped by resting and even more by HC.

B >>>>>

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Thanks

That is where the pain is, usually when I get this it is one sided and the

tens machine clears it up pretty quickly, when I use it. It's weird I lie away

in pain thinking if i get the tens I will be able to sleep LOL.

Caroline

B wrote:

When I had it, my back pain was on both sides of my lower back

(flank).

Right where the kidneys are (and the adrenals sit on top of the kidneys.

Sometimes I could barely move with the pain. I thought it was muscle pain,

knew it wasn't spine.Now, only if I'm really stressed or forget to take my

HC do I get the pain & it's usually not severe.

I don't know if what you have is adrenal pain. With 40 mgs of HC I don't

see how it would be but I'm not the expert here. Val would know, I'm sure.

B

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One nation under God

Re: Hypocondriac? NOT!

> Where abouts is your adrenal pain?

> I have had bad lower back pain for a couple of weeks, usually sleeping

> with a tens machine for a few nights sorts it out but this just will not

> goa away. Could this be adrenal pain? I am currently on 40mg Cortef dosed

> 5 times and no t3 praying temps will stabalise.

>

> Thanks

> Caroline

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[Guest guest]

Thanks

That is where the pain is, usually when I get this it is one sided and the

tens machine clears it up pretty quickly, when I use it. It's weird I lie away

in pain thinking if i get the tens I will be able to sleep LOL.

Caroline

B wrote:

When I had it, my back pain was on both sides of my lower back

(flank).

Right where the kidneys are (and the adrenals sit on top of the kidneys.

Sometimes I could barely move with the pain. I thought it was muscle pain,

knew it wasn't spine.Now, only if I'm really stressed or forget to take my

HC do I get the pain & it's usually not severe.

I don't know if what you have is adrenal pain. With 40 mgs of HC I don't

see how it would be but I'm not the expert here. Val would know, I'm sure.

B

God Bless America!

One nation under God

Re: Hypocondriac? NOT!

> Where abouts is your adrenal pain?

> I have had bad lower back pain for a couple of weeks, usually sleeping

> with a tens machine for a few nights sorts it out but this just will not

> goa away. Could this be adrenal pain? I am currently on 40mg Cortef dosed

> 5 times and no t3 praying temps will stabalise.

>

> Thanks

> Caroline

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