Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Thankk you ,Val,looks like I'll have tough it out for a while longer. You suggested adding some Isocort at night - how much and when? Following is my dosing schedule as it stands now: 7:00 AM 7.5 (3) pellets ll:00 5 2 3:00 5 2 ll:30 2.5 l My temps are very unsteady - all my life have been 97.6 and many times much lower. Since starting 8 pellets, I noticed once a 98 reading - whoopie' Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 >>Thank's Val for your answer to the 4:00AM terror. I can see I don't want PS or sugar at night. Since my cortisol is obviously staying low at night, wouldit be safe to start a small amount of T3 at night since there would be no high cortisol to block T3 receptors? << Hihg cortisl does nto block T3 receptors. It blocks conversion of T4 to T3. LOW cortisl causes the receptors to not OPEN to the Thyroid and with lwo night tie cortisll thyorid will nto be able to get inot the cells. Cprtisll must be RIGHT for thyroid to work properly. Too low of too high and it cannto function as it is supposed to. I would keep on working wiht the Iocort, adding some AT bedtime until your temps are steady. THEN try the thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 11:10 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 7:00 AM 7.5 (3) pellets ll:00 5 2 3:00 5 2 ll:30 2.5 l It is looking like you will need HC. But you can try ading another ellet to the 11:30PM one, I take it that is bedtime? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yes, ll:30 is bedtime, so I'll add one ore starting tonight. In the event that I do need HC, do I just rub in the l% I bought at Walmart. Is there a dosing schedule to study? I've looked at the Isocort schedule and it says it can be used for HC but I'm wondering about the cream. Or, do I need to look into obtaining some kind of oral HC? I'm sure I wouldn't be able to get a perscription - not at this time anyway. Later, Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 7:00 AM 7.5 (3) pellets ll:00 5 2 3:00 5 2 ll:30 2.5 l It is looking like you will need HC. But you can try ading another ellet to the 11:30PM one, I take it that is bedtime? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 11:10 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 You would use the cream the same as the Isocort but only replace one dose at a time and give it a few days between switching each dose to feel if it is absorbing more than the Isocort which i possible, The real danger wiht the cream is in overdosing! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Very good. Is a dose of thr l% cream l/4 tea? At least that's whatI seem to be seeing on tnis site. Thank's so much for the help and information. Re: Safe to Begin T3 You would use the cream the same as the Isocort but only replace one dose at a time and give it a few days between switching each dose to feel if it is absorbing more than the Isocort which i possible, The real danger wiht the cream is in overdosing! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.11/1161 - Release Date: 11/30/2007 12:12 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yes 1 teaspoon of 1% cream equals 10MG HC. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Sorry it is 1/4 teaspoon of the 1% cream that equals 10MG HC. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Gotcha. Now for. the next question - I seem to be full of them, don't I? How do you and the other members cope woth the shakey, nervous feeling around 8:00-9:00 and on into the morning? I sometimes take GABA plus and l00 mgs. phosphatidylserene, but don't know if that is prudent. Thank'sfor any advice. Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 Sorry it is 1/4 teaspoon of the 1% cream that equals 10MG HC. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.11/1161 - Release Date: 11/30/2007 12:12 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 >>Gotcha. Now for. the next question - I seem to be full of them, don't I? How do you and the other members cope woth the shakey, nervous feeling around 8:00-9:00 and on into the morning? I sometimes take GABA plus and l00 mgs. phosphatidylserene, but don't know if that is prudent.<< that shaky nervous feeling is most likly either hypoglycemia or low cortiosl. You can try eating a protein snack and if that ha no effect I would take 2.5mg HC as an inbetween dose. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yes. the low cortisol causing T3 not to get to the cells fits me. When I started Isocort, I could feel the thyroid getting into the cells and whatever was circulating around suddenly got there because I felt very hyper for a few days until I used up what was circulating. Now I can tell I have a need for my thyroid supplementation in general but it was very interesting to see how my body reacted during the first few weeks. Cheri Re: Safe to Begin T3 Hihg cortisl does nto block T3 receptors. It blocks conversion of T4 to T3. LOW cortisl causes the receptors to not OPEN to the Thyroid and with lwo night tie cortisll thyorid will nto be able to get inot the cells. Cprtisll must be RIGHT for thyroid to work properly. Too low of too high and it cannto function as it is supposed to. I would keep on working wiht the Iocort, adding some AT bedtime until your temps are steady. THEN try the thyroid. -- . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Cheri, if I'm remembering correctly, you are, like me, high cortisol in the morning and other readings low? I believe you have 5 dosing times rather than 4. I'm thinking I need to add one either early afternoon or late afternoon. What works for you? I'm definitely looking forward to starting T3, as it really fit the bill for me when I used it for 2 years. The Armour didn't quite do it for me as I seem to have a brain deficit of T3. Reply only if you have time. Thanks so much, Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 Hihg cortisl does nto block T3 receptors. It blocks conversion of T4 to T3. LOW cortisl causes the receptors to not OPEN to the Thyroid and with lwo night tie cortisll thyorid will nto be able to get inot the cells. Cprtisll must be RIGHT for thyroid to work properly. Too low of too high and it cannto function as it is supposed to. I would keep on working wiht the Iocort, adding some AT bedtime until your temps are steady. THEN try the thyroid. -- . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 I added l more pellet of Isocort at bedtime and pleased to say didn't wake " til after 6:00 - good for me. I need to get over the next hurdle: how would one cope with the feeling that a dark blanket drops down in the afternoon,but usually a sinking feeling that develops into extreme anxiety that only leaves after the evening meal- but not always. You can tell I'm looking forward to getting back on T3, as it eliminated all this. Thank you Val and Members, Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 Yes 1 teaspoon of 1% cream equals 10MG HC. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.11/1161 - Release Date: 11/30/2007 12:12 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Anxiety that is responsive to eating would suggest oyu need to eat more oftern smaller meals and snacks with protein. Avoiding carbs will also help this. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Good Morning Val: I worked up to 9 pellets of Isocort for the past few days, and my first mornings temp was 98'. I'm usually 97.6 at best, so any clues as to why? This is so unusuall,but of course it won't stay and is already dropping. Also very unusual ia that blood pressure lower number has lowered about l0 points. It's usually around l47/98 and higher at times - sometimes lower in evenings. Here are labs: Saliva cortisol l7.2H 3.7-9.5 noon l.7 l.2-3.0 eveningl. l.6 0.6-l.9 night 0.5 0.4-l.0 blood T3 95 60-l8l ng/dl T4 7.2. 4.5-l2.5 mcg/dl T3, Free 2.7l 230-420 pg/dl I'm anxious,literally, to start T3, again, but think things aren't stable enough yet. What do you think. Hope you can overlook the self-centered attitude - guess you get that way while off thyroid. BestwishePat T3, 27l 230-420 pg/dl Re: Safe to Begin T3 Anxiety that is responsive to eating would suggest oyu need to eat more oftern smaller meals and snacks with protein. Avoiding carbs will also help this. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Usually it means the htyroid is getting ot the cells and that is what raises the temps. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Well, I sure won't complain about that ( temperatureraise meaning thyroid is getting to cells). I took a kelp tablet this morning, which leads me to ask you this, since my adrenals aren't quite ready for thyroid yet and I have bad anxiety or depression. would kelp, and dulse help? Also, my ND had me on 4 Iodoral 3X day for a week then, I think only morning. It's been about 3-4 months as I quit due to hyper (or maybe hypo) feelings. What can you tell me about Iodoral. I haven't seen anything about it on this site, Thank you, Patt Re: Safe to Begin T3 Anxiety that is responsive to eating would suggest oyu need to eat more oftern smaller meals and snacks with protein. Avoiding carbs will also help this. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Your doctor had you on 150 mgs of Iodoral per day???? Why such a high dose? Linn > > Well, I sure won't complain about that ( temperatureraise meaning thyroid is getting to cells). I took a kelp tablet this morning, which leads me to ask you this, since my adrenals aren't quite ready for thyroid yet and I have bad anxiety or depression. would kelp, and dulse help? Also, my ND had me on 4 Iodoral 3X day for a week then, I think only morning. It's been about 3-4 months as I quit due to hyper (or maybe hypo) feelings. What can you tell me about Iodoral. I haven't seen anything about it on this site, > > Thank you, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't know - unless she thought it would lessen inflamation. I was still somewhat hyperthyroid from doctor-perscribed Armour increases. She said kidneys were failing and adrenals pumping out oodles of cortisol. Regards, Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 Your doctor had you on 150 mgs of Iodoral per day???? Why such a high dose? Linn > > Well, I sure won't complain about that ( temperatureraise meaning thyroid is getting to cells). I took a kelp tablet this morning, which leads me to ask you this, since my adrenals aren't quite ready for thyroid yet and I have bad anxiety or depression. would kelp, and dulse help? Also, my ND had me on 4 Iodoral 3X day for a week then, I think only morning. It's been about 3-4 months as I quit due to hyper (or maybe hypo) feelings. What can you tell me about Iodoral. I haven't seen anything about it on this site, > > Thank you, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1167 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 12:20 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Pat, Are you on the iodine group? Linn > > I don't know - unless she thought it would lessen inflamation. I was still somewhat hyperthyroid from doctor-perscribed Armour increases. She said kidneys were failing and adrenals pumping out oodles of cortisol. > > Regards, > > > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Well here I am on this subject again,but things sure are different than last month. I'm sleeping all night, no shakiness in the morning, and my temperature is 98.5. I don't think temp has ever been much over 97,6. I'm rather excited about all this, however still fed up with afternoon depression and some panic when stressed - and water retention. I feel I'm more ready to start a teeny amount of T3 than I've ever been. What do you think? I'd really like to stop the upward spiral of blood pressure which this new adrenal activity caused. Thank you for your help, Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 7:00 AM 7.5 (3) pellets ll:00 5 2 3:00 5 2 ll:30 2.5 l It is looking like you will need HC. But you can try ading another ellet to the 11:30PM one, I take it that is bedtime? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 11:10 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 With your temps that good you may not even need alot of T btu I think as long as temps are stable you are good to go to try it. Start very slowly 1/4 to 1/2 tab then if that goes welkl in 2-3 days double it. Keep the doses split up through out the day as best you can. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Thank's ValL Another thingI;m wondering is once you're getting the temps and adrenals working, could that cause a blood pressure rise? I can't make senseout of it, but maybe you can I should clarify it has been what's considered high, but in past week raised about 20 pts.at times. I;m the one who had hypo symptoms on Benazepril after only three days, and now off it. What do you think is raising BP now? Not real alarmed,as I know I',m hypo - Just don't understand. Thank's always for reading and answering. Pat Re: Safe to Begin T3 With your temps that good you may not even need alot of T btu I think as long as temps are stable you are good to go to try it. Start very slowly 1/4 to 1/2 tab then if that goes welkl in 2-3 days double it. Keep the doses split up through out the day as best you can. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1189 - Release Date: 12/18/2007 9:40 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Low potassium can cause high BP but I woul dnot recommend supplementing it just increasing foods that are high in potassium. Between that and getting thyroid correct i should settle down though it can take a while. Mine has come down VERY nicely from a really bad dangeroud high of 245/148 to it's current 130/70! but it took me 13 year s and tweaking alot of things to get here. Damage from hypo was my worst cause, then high cortiosl which I feel I have FINALLY got a good handle on and sleep apnea were all causes of mine. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Thank's so much for sharing how you managed your high blood pressure. Looks like it can go pretty high without causing a stroke or heart attack, but is nonetheless, quite a concern. gives me several things to work on. Later, Pat From: To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Safe to Begin T3 Low potassium can cause high BP but I woul dnot recommend supplementing it just increasing foods that are high in potassium. Between that and getting thyroid correct i should settle down though it can take a while. Mine has come down VERY nicely from a really bad dangeroud high of 245/148 to it's current 130/70! but it took me 13 year s and tweaking alot of things to get here. Damage from hypo was my worst cause, then high cortiosl which I feel I have FINALLY got a good handle on and sleep apnea were all causes of mine. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1189 - Release Date: 12/18/2007 9:40 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Oh yes, Val, I failed to ask you. What significance does the diastolic blood pressure have if it increases suddenly about 5 points and stays there while the upper number comes back down? Thanks Pat- From: To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Safe to Begin T3 Low potassium can cause high BP but I woul dnot recommend supplementing it just increasing foods that are high in potassium. Between that and getting thyroid correct i should settle down though it can take a while. Mine has come down VERY nicely from a really bad dangeroud high of 245/148 to it's current 130/70! but it took me 13 year s and tweaking alot of things to get here. Damage from hypo was my worst cause, then high cortiosl which I feel I have FINALLY got a good handle on and sleep apnea were all causes of mine. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1189 - Release Date: 12/18/2007 9:40 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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