Re: Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

[Guest guest]

That's interesting... my gyno thinks I have polycystic ovary disease.... hmmm....

-med.

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

An ovarian cyst can actually stimulate your thyroid as a low TSH antogonsist.. meaning if you have low thyroid signals from the pituary gland it could of been what was balancing you out..Your doc can order a TPO antibody test..high numbers usually indicate Hashimoto's which can be diagnostic before TSH raises too high..Your symptoms sound hypo..except your monthly cycle..which makes me think other hormones may also be out of whack which is common with hypo.Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a lot of the symptoms and very easy for the doctor to test for..Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth control..Estrogen binds T4 hormone and lowers your conversion rate of T4-T3..Considering your history of cysts etc though you are going to want a T3 lab test done first to see if it is an issue..and by adding Sellium it could be enough to balance out the difference..Although waiting is hard, it is really hard to make a judgement with out first seeing the lab work. Make sure you get ranges for your lab work also as different labs use different ranges..A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of your symptoms sound low iron too me..but you would not want to add iron with out confirming it first..these tend to run together with hypo so make sure the doc tests even if hypo is confirmed.Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

So would I want to see a dermatologist

first or an endo first? I have actually never really seen either except to

have a mole removed. A lot of my symptoms seem to be dermatological. And I am

wondering if maybe something is up nutrition wise, but I find that odd since I

have been eating plenty of protein, more meat than usual and do take the

multi.. my diet hasn’t changed.

At first I was wondering if it might be a

stress response as my nerve ending has been acting up more, but the pain is

doing better than usual on the lyrica and I’ve never responded to stress

like this before.

For once I would like a simple problem with

a simpler treatment.

-Ata

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Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old

female with FMS

That's

interesting... my gyno thinks I have polycystic ovary disease.... hmmm....

-med.

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old

female with FMS

An ovarian cyst can actually

stimulate your thyroid as a low TSH

antogonsist.. meaning if you have low thyroid

signals from the

pituary gland it could of been what was balancing

you out..

Your doc can order a TPO antibody test..high

numbers usually

indicate Hashimoto's which can be diagnostic

before TSH raises too

high..

Your symptoms sound hypo..except your monthly

cycle..which makes me

think other hormones may also be out of whack

which is common with

hypo.

Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a lot of the

symptoms and very

easy for the doctor to test for..

Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth

control..Estrogen binds T4

hormone and lowers your conversion rate of T4-T3..

Considering your history of cysts etc though you

are going to want a

T3 lab test done first to see if it is an

issue..and by adding

Sellium it could be enough to balance out the

difference..

Although waiting is hard, it is really hard to

make a judgement with

out first seeing the lab work. Make sure you get

ranges for your lab

work also as different labs use different ranges..

A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of your

symptoms sound low iron

too me..but you would not want to add iron with

out confirming it

first..these tend to run together with hypo so

make sure the doc

tests even if hypo is confirmed.

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Oh and my free T4 was 1.2 on a .8 to 1.9

being normal scale. TSH was also 1.2 with .4-4 being normal.

-Ata

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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:11

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Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old

female with FMS

From the merck manual..

Struma ovarii: Rarely, ovarian teratomas contain sufficient

thyroid

tissue to cause true hyperthyroidism, but the

location is in the

pelvis and the radioactive iodine uptake by the

thyroid will be

suppressed.

From Thyroid manager..

STRUMA OVARII

Struma ovarii is a rare tumor occurring in a

teratoma or dermoid in

the ovary. It is often admixed with a carcinoid

tumor, (127) and has

been reported to occur in association with

multiple endocrine

neoplasia type IIA (128). Ovarian strumal

carcinoid tumors have been

found to synthesize different peptide hormones

including calcitonin,

ACTH, SRIF, neuron-specific enolase, chromogranin,

synaptophysin,

serotonin and other peptides (127-129). Struma ovarii is

unilaterally localized in about 90% of patients

and about 80% are

benign (130). Pardo-Mindan and Vazquez (131)

reviewed the world

literature on malignant struma ovarii until 1983,

finding only 18

cases. As differentiation between carcinoid and

struma tissue is

sometimes difficult, electron microscopic studies

in combination

with specific immunochemistry may be necessary.

Struma ovarii seldom causes hyperthyroidism. In thyrotoxicosis due

to struma ovarii, uptake of radioactive iodine of

the thyroid gland

is low in the presence of elevated serum thyroid

hormones and

suppressed TSH. Uptake of radioactive iodine over

the ovarian tumor

confirms the diagnosis (131a,. Although one

would suspect that in

thyrotoxic cases due to struma ovarii the thyroid

gland would be

reduced in size, the thyroid in several reports

was enlarged

(130,132). Possibly this could represent the

effect of thyroid

stimulating antibodies on both tissues. Treatment

of struma ovarii,

either with euthyroidism or thyrotoxicosis, should

be effected by

removal of the ovarian tumor. In the case of

co-existent

thyrotoxicosis, preparation for surgery should be

done by

administration of antithyroid drugs, sometimes in

combination with

beta-blocking agents. Because of the co-existing

teratoma, it is

sometimes difficult to determine if the thyroid

tissue in the tumor

is benign or malignant. It is not advised to treat

patients with

thyrotoxic struma ovarii with radioiodide because

of the possibility

that the tumor is malignant, which cannot be

determined on clinical

grounds, and secondly because of the unknown

radiation effects on

the other elements of the teratoma. Doppler flow

may aid in the

preoperative diagnosis of struma ovarii. Blood

flow signals,

detected from the center of the echoic lesion, and

low resistance to

flow may be more common in struma ovarii (132a).

Recently a rare

case of thyrotoxicosis was described in a 73 year

old women caused

by a toxic adenoma of the thyroid and an

hyperthyroid struma ovarii

(132b)

This situation is rare, and even rarer diagnosed

as it relies on a

full body radiation scan, not something someone

does..

Although the above talk about HYPER with the extra

TSH stimulation

it would make sense to me that a TSH secreted,

hyperfunctional

Ovarian cyst in a person who is HYPO would go more

HYPO after

removal of the cyst as it is an outside stimuli..

Hope this makes sense..a Struma Ovarii causes

HYPER by over

stimulating the thyroid..and sometimes by actually

being made up of

thyroid tissue and producing T4 and T3.

For someone who is HYPO this could keep you

eurothyroid or closer to

normal ranges than with out it..when the cyst is

removed in absent

of autoimmune thyroid disorder the HYPER patient

usually resumes

normal thyroid function..if you are HYPO then you

would resume

normal thyroid function for you..meaning more hypo

and needing to

adjust meds..

Kats3boys

> >

> > An ovarian cyst can actually stimulate

your thyroid as a low TSH

> > antogonsist.. meaning if you have low

thyroid signals from the

> > pituary gland it could of been what was

balancing you out..

> > Your doc can order a TPO antibody

test..high numbers usually

> > indicate Hashimoto's which can be

diagnostic before TSH raises

too

> > high..

> > Your symptoms sound hypo..except your

monthly cycle..which makes

me

> > think other hormones may also be out of

whack which is common

with

> > hypo.

> > Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a

lot of the symptoms and

very

> > easy for the doctor to test for..

> > Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth

control..Estrogen binds T4

> > hormone and lowers your conversion rate

of T4-T3..

> > Considering your history of cysts etc

though you are going to

want a

> > T3 lab test done first to see if it is

an issue..and by adding

> > Sellium it could be enough to balance

out the difference..

> >

> > Although waiting is hard, it is really

hard to make a judgement

with

> > out first seeing the lab work. Make sure

you get ranges for your

lab

> > work also as different labs use

different ranges..

> >

> > A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of

your symptoms sound low

iron

> > too me..but you would not want to add

iron with out confirming

it

> > first..these tend to run together with

hypo so make sure the doc

> > tests even if hypo is confirmed.

> >

> > Kats3boys

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Your skin problems are probably due to the fact that you are still hypo. If the dermatologist is worth their weight in gold, they will tell you that and send you to an endo. I would see an endo first (at least an ENT).

You could have allergies, it could be stress, hopefully a good endo can point you in the right direction. It's also not crazy for dermos to list in your chart that you are hypo and refer you to an endo.

-med

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

An ovarian cyst can actually stimulate your thyroid as a low TSH antogonsist.. meaning if you have low thyroid signals from the pituary gland it could of been what was balancing you out..Your doc can order a TPO antibody test..high numbers usually indicate Hashimoto's which can be diagnostic before TSH raises too high..Your symptoms sound hypo..except your monthly cycle..which makes me think other hormones may also be out of whack which is common with hypo.Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a lot of the symptoms and very easy for the doctor to test for..Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth control..Estrogen binds T4 hormone and lowers your conversion rate of T4-T3..Considering your history of cysts etc though you are going to want a T3 lab test done first to see if it is an issue..and by adding Sellium it could be enough to balance out the difference..Although waiting is hard, it is really hard to make a judgement with out first seeing the lab work. Make sure you get ranges for your lab work also as different labs use different ranges..A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of your symptoms sound low iron too me..but you would not want to add iron with out confirming it first..these tend to run together with hypo so make sure the doc tests even if hypo is confirmed.Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

To Ata.........

I have just been given lyrica by my neuro. I am taking loads of vicoden and I'm hoping this will help wean me of that. What do you have or what have been your symtoms? My neuro says I have neuropathy going on but has'nt figured out from what. My Mri was negative for lesions so I am hoping the original diagnosis of MS was wrong. My face breaks out horribly under severe stress and my body goes crazy. The places itch before anything comes up and then it oozes yellow fluid and then alot of clear fluid. And I can get them anywhere but mostly on my face.

Thanks,

Amber

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

An ovarian cyst can actually stimulate your thyroid as a low TSH antogonsist.. meaning if you have low thyroid signals from the pituary gland it could of been what was balancing you out..Your doc can order a TPO antibody test..high numbers usually indicate Hashimoto's which can be diagnostic before TSH raises too high..Your symptoms sound hypo..except your monthly cycle..which makes me think other hormones may also be out of whack which is common with hypo.Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a lot of the symptoms and very easy for the doctor to test for..Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth control..Estrogen binds T4 hormone and lowers your conversion rate of T4-T3..Considering your history of cysts etc though you are going to want a T3 lab test done first to see if it is an issue..and by adding Sellium it could be enough to balance out the difference..Although waiting is hard, it is really hard to make a judgement with out first seeing the lab work. Make sure you get ranges for your lab work also as different labs use different ranges..A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of your symptoms sound low iron too me..but you would not want to add iron with out confirming it first..these tend to run together with hypo so make sure the doc tests even if hypo is confirmed.Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

I have fibromyalgia and an entrapped nerve

ending in the abdominal wall or something like that. I am actually working on

breaking in a new pain doctor and I am not sure it is worth the hassle. We had

to keep explaining to him that no, the nerve problem was not caused by my

laproscropy. I had the laproscropy because of the problem. So he is wondering

where the problem came from and I keep explaining the cyst and now he wants to

investigate more because it shouldn’t have been caused by something like

a cyst. And it is just my body so what do I know…

The nerve pain is this deep ache. It gets

quite severe and at its worst I am almost bed ridden and extremely depressed.

The lyrica has helped it not get bad, but it is still very wearying and I need

to get an injection in it to get the pain to go away.

For my fibro have problems with shoulders

and neck and one spot on my chest and some in my abs. My lower left side of my

body is a lot weaker than the rest of it. Before the cyst it used to be my

strong side.

My biggest issue now is fatigue. I sleep 13

hours a day. Sometimes it happens that I can’t wake up in the mornings-

I sleep very restlessly- sort of like kickboxing in my sleep I suppose. I even

throw things. Or I can’t stay awake during the day. I take darvocet or

oxycontin when needed.

Sometimes I get itchy skin too. I have

scabs/scars from a couple months ago that never healed yet. I get sick a lot.

Acne with infections. I also have tummy

trouble –they say it is IBS. I say it is fibro. And my GERD can really

act up as can my allergies or asthma.

Four times I have gotten hives. Once I

was four years old. The last three times where in the last two years. First

was after a high fever for several days. Then this year for a bad allergic

reaction to an antibiotic. And then later that week as a result of a fever

from the infection. Actually, after my allergic reaction to the antibiotic,

come to think of it, I don’t think my skin has been the same. It has

stayed really dry. That was in February.

-Ata

From: The_Thyroid_Support_Group [mailto:The_Thyroid_Support_Group ] On Behalf Of Amber Sewell

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:45

PM

To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

Subject: Re:

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old

female with FMS

To Ata.........

I have just been given lyrica by my neuro. I am taking

loads of vicoden and I'm hoping this will help wean me of that. What do

you have or what have been your symtoms? My neuro says I have neuropathy

going on but has'nt figured out from what. My Mri was negative for

lesions so I am hoping the original diagnosis of MS was wrong. My face

breaks out horribly under severe stress and my body goes crazy. The

places itch before anything comes up and then it oozes yellow fluid and then

alot of clear fluid. And I can get them anywhere but mostly on my face.

Thanks,

Amber

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

An ovarian cyst can actually

stimulate your thyroid as a low TSH

antogonsist.. meaning if you have low thyroid

signals from the

pituary gland it could of been what was balancing

you out..

Your doc can order a TPO antibody test..high

numbers usually

indicate Hashimoto's which can be diagnostic

before TSH raises too

high..

Your symptoms sound hypo..except your monthly

cycle..which makes me

think other hormones may also be out of whack

which is common with

hypo.

Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a lot of the

symptoms and very

easy for the doctor to test for..

Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth

control..Estrogen binds T4

hormone and lowers your conversion rate of T4-T3..

Considering your history of cysts etc though you

are going to want a

T3 lab test done first to see if it is an

issue..and by adding

Sellium it could be enough to balance out the

difference..

Although waiting is hard, it is really hard to make

a judgement with

out first seeing the lab work. Make sure you get

ranges for your lab

work also as different labs use different ranges..

A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of your

symptoms sound low iron

too me..but you would not want to add iron with

out confirming it

first..these tend to run together with hypo so

make sure the doc

tests even if hypo is confirmed.

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

HI Amber,What is Lyrica for? It sounds so 'musical.' :)TammyTo Ata......... I have just been given lyrica by my neuro.  I am taking loads of vicoden and I'm hoping this will help wean me of that.  What do you have or what have been your symtoms?  My neuro says I have neuropathy going on but has'nt figured out from what.  My Mri was negative for lesions so I am hoping the original diagnosis of MS was wrong.  My face breaks out horribly under severe stress and my body goes crazy.  The places itch before anything comes up and then it oozes yellow fluid and then alot of clear fluid.  And I can get them anywhere but mostly on my face. Thanks,Amber

[Guest guest]

Ata,

I had all of these symptoms with severe allergy attacks. My docs didn't put it together, they still haven't. They just know that now my fibro is 'gone'.

See what allergy tests say... if they show up as nothing, eliminate added chemicals and what not from your diet, switch detergents and try and rack your brain to anything in your environment causing you pain. For me, one of them was the flea medication we put on our cats.

Good luck,

-med

Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

An ovarian cyst can actually stimulate your thyroid as a low TSH antogonsist.. meaning if you have low thyroid signals from the pituary gland it could of been what was balancing you out..Your doc can order a TPO antibody test..high numbers usually indicate Hashimoto's which can be diagnostic before TSH raises too high..Your symptoms sound hypo..except your monthly cycle..which makes me think other hormones may also be out of whack which is common with hypo.Enemia both iron and B-12 can cause a lot of the symptoms and very easy for the doctor to test for..Nuvaring is a form of hormonal birth control..Estrogen binds T4 hormone and lowers your conversion rate of T4-T3..Considering your history of cysts etc though you are going to want a T3 lab test done first to see if it is an issue..and by adding Sellium it could be enough to balance out the difference..Although waiting is hard, it is really hard to make a judgement with out first seeing the lab work. Make sure you get ranges for your lab work also as different labs use different ranges..A CBC/WBC would be helpful as a lot of your symptoms sound low iron too me..but you would not want to add iron with out confirming it first..these tend to run together with hypo so make sure the doc tests even if hypo is confirmed.Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

So sorry I'm late posting....if someone has'nt already told you, Lyrica is a pill designed to block receptors in the brain from getting the message about pain. That's all I know.....

Amber

Re: Re: I think I might be hypothyroid- 22 year old female with FMS

HI Amber,

What is Lyrica for? It sounds so 'musical.'

Tammy

To Ata.........

I have just been given lyrica by my neuro. I am taking loads of vicoden and I'm hoping this will help wean me of that. What do you have or what have been your symtoms? My neuro says I have neuropathy going on but has'nt figured out from what. My Mri was negative for lesions so I am hoping the original diagnosis of MS was wrong. My face breaks out horribly under severe stress and my body goes crazy. The places itch before anything comes up and then it oozes yellow fluid and then alot of clear fluid. And I can get them anywhere but mostly on my face.

Thanks,

Amber

[Guest guest]

That's interesting, Amber. I'm not sure how most painmeds really work. I am guessing that is a differentmechanism than other pain meds? How well doesit work for you? What other pain meds have you tried?How does it compare in terms of effectiveness incontrolling pain?Thanks!TammyTammy, So sorry I'm late posting....if someone has'nt already told you, Lyrica is a pill designed to block receptors in the brain from getting the message about pain.  That's all I know..... Amber