Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 your gold bar is adjustable? how? will you send me a pic? I'm interested in this one. If you bend it towards the ends maybe that would work? Ours is bent on both sides, the middle portion is straight. I imagine it could be bent in the middle but that might make it more difficult for baby to stand in. the bar itself is one piece, it is not adjustable. I thought the adjustable one was red. At 03:12 PM 1/7/04, you wrote: >Hi Kori > >Got your address Thank you. Not in bed just yet doing the ironing, only time >it can get done is when little hands aren't about. I think we are ok for >socks, I can just get away with normal ones now but used to buy the non slip > now he sits well in the shoes with cotton ones. Steve is going to bend the >bar, hadn't thought of that before. I have screws with these shoes but I don >t know if they are different with this bar. It is the gold straight bar with >marks in inches on it. I suppose if we bend the bar we won't be able to >adjust it outwards when he gets bigger?? > >Take care >Rach > >-- DBB > > > > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:20:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Just want to confirm that the DBB should be curved when worn, with > > > > >the apex of the arc further away from the body. Sometimes when I > > > > >see it in pictures, it looks straight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 They are really totally different. The plate for the gold bar has a big bolt in the bottom (as you know) whereas the plate for the red bar is attached to the bar by soe sort of screw/nut that uses a special tool to remove. For the red bar, the shoes are screwed onto the existing plate, where with the gold bar, the shoes come with a new plate already attached that is screwed to the bar. Hard to explain without pics, but there really is a huge difference in what the 2 plates look like. Angel Re: DBB > > > Now we have a red bar that they dont come off of, and it is a > non-issue, although I do hope Greg keeps shoes around that are not > pre-mounted to the silver plate! Angel, are the plates different for the red bar? Pre-mounted meaning they're already screwed to the shoes? Why is this an issue? Isn't it just a screw? Or is it a totally different thing? (the ortho guy who gave us our last pair of shoes was unsure if I could mount them myself for some reason... I'm just wondering because it's just a screw and I assured him I could handle a screwdriver...) Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 The bars that Markell sells are totally different than the bars most of us use (be them adjustable or non). Check out the website sometime! Angel DBB > > > > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:20:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Just want to confirm that the DBB should be curved when worn, with > > > > >the apex of the arc further away from the body. Sometimes when I > > > > >see it in pictures, it looks straight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Well, just for the record, the shoes with the red bar sound very difficult to use. I am sure if there was no other choice, you would get used to it but it sounds barbaric to me. No wonder you have to strap and strap and then lace and lace. The shoes from the gold bar are just shoes with a post on the bottom. You put them on your child just like any other shoe you will ever put on your child. AND THEN you attach the bar. There is no crying or fighting or problems. The other thing sounds like forcing your child into a straight jacket. I have felt all along that our steps through this ordeal with Rose have been guided. First to Dr. Schwartz and then Dr. Mosca and apparently with Greg at Childrens too. So, Angel, if Dr. Mosca wants you to go back to using the shoes on the gold bar, either because he thinks it is better or because Gregg dosn't have shoes that fit on the red bar, what are you going to do? Robin & Rose. kitaki wrote: They are really totally different. The plate for the gold bar has a big bolt in the bottom (as you know) whereas the plate for the red bar is attached to the bar by soe sort of screw/nut that uses a special tool to remove. For the red bar, the shoes are screwed onto the existing plate, where with the gold bar, the shoes come with a new plate already attached that is screwed to the bar. Hard to explain without pics, but there really is a huge difference in what the 2 plates look like. Angel Re: DBB > > > Now we have a red bar that they dont come off of, and it is a > non-issue, although I do hope Greg keeps shoes around that are not > pre-mounted to the silver plate! Angel, are the plates different for the red bar? Pre-mounted meaning they're already screwed to the shoes? Why is this an issue? Isn't it just a screw? Or is it a totally different thing? (the ortho guy who gave us our last pair of shoes was unsure if I could mount them myself for some reason... I'm just wondering because it's just a screw and I assured him I could handle a screwdriver...) Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Robin, I have never removed the shoes from the bar to put them on my daughter. I put the clubfoot shoe one first, tighten the laces, then tighten the strap. Then I do the non-clubfoot. I was not really instructed in how to put them on and off. One of my complaints about this whole procedure is the lack of instruction about the dbb, which is the most important aspect of this whole procedure! On the one hand, I understand that some doctors felt this method would not work simply because it relies so heavily on parental compliance and they felt parents wouldn't comply. On the other hand, I have had to educate myself about the proper use of the shoes and bar. I felt like my old doctor wanted the method to fail so she could do surgery. She had absolutely no clue about how big the bar should be. She never even checked her feet when she was in the shoes and bar to see that everything was okay. As a result, my daughter's good foot started turning in because I had set the angle wrong when I changed shoes...Luckily, we were able to switch to a more qualified doctor, our third. The first thing Dr. Herzenberg did when he saw the shoes and bar was to bend the bar. It was straight. For our full story, check out www.geocities.com/joannewalton2003/clubfootstory.html Hope this helps! Joanne W. mom to Zoe (3-25-01, right clubfoot) Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:04:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: DBB Someboby mentioned yesterday only occaisionally removing the shoes from the bar to put them on her child. Is this an isolated incident or it is SOP? I have never once tried to put the shoes on Rose without removing them from the bar first. The ortho who fitted her said that very few people can successfully do it and if you want the shoes to fit right, to put them on first and then attach the bar. So can you not remove the shoes from the red bar? As everyone knows, the shoes come right off the gold bar and the bar is marked for proper placement. Following this line of thought, I wonder if this is why so many people have problems with their kids feet going all the way in and the shoes wearing in the wrong places. This also makes sense of why people talk about strapping the shoes on and then lacing. Am I right? I am not being critical, I just think I am having an " ahah " and want to make sure. Robin & Rose _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 for the record here... I used to take the shoes off the bar but now I don't. It used to be easier... and now it's just as easy to get on with the bar attached so that's how I do it. I stripped the grooves in her first bar, the shoes would come a little loose and they'd just grind it off on that side. We had to get a new bar and plates. It happened again with the next bar but it didn't get stripped, a couple of teeth came off. It still tightened up good and tight though. After that, I just figured with the new bar that it may be better to keep them attached as much as possible and after figuring out how to get it on her properly (heel down far enough) that's just what I do. I am however of the mind that it is very much easier to get a proper fit without the bar. I think it may be a better idea for those first using the dbb to take the shoes off if they can. Getting the heels down seems to be a common error (I made it) and I am not unsure that having to put the dbb on with the bar attached isn't contributing to it in some way. I think it's easier to get the shoes tight enough when you're just handling the one foot and can hold it tight at the ankle and cinch it down. It also makes it easier to push the heel down into the shoe (just remember to keep that nut on or you'll poke your thighs!) So there it is, I think both ways work well for those who it works well for (does that make sense?). I am very curious about this red bar and the hardware used to attach the shoes to it. I can't for the life of me think that there's no way to make the shoes easier to come off. A good hardware store should have something that will fit... or some specialty hardware place (marine or automotive??). Kori At 10:16 PM 1/7/04, you wrote: >Robin, > >Maybe it would have been " easier " to put the shoes on without the bar >then attaching the bar. I don't know, but it wasn't an option for us. >Even with the removable bar, I doubt I would have messed with the shoes >much out of fear of messing it up. My son had bilateral clubfoot so it >didn't make a difference which shoe went on first (many parents whose >child has unilateral clubfoot put the clubfoot in first) and I would >lace then buckle the first shoe then put on the second shoe. Jakob may >have cried at first when we put the brace on, but that didn't last >long. He just didn't like being messed with (to put on his brace or >change his diaper or whatever). He didn't fight us at all in the 3 1/2 >years he wore it. Of course, this is just one person's experience. > > > >Robin Lane wrote: > > > Well, just for the record, the shoes with the red bar sound very > > difficult to use. I am sure if there was no other choice, you would > > get used to it but it sounds barbaric to me. No wonder you have to > > strap and strap and then lace and lace. The shoes from the gold bar > > are just shoes with a post on the bottom. You put them on your child > > just like any other shoe you will ever put on your child. AND THEN > > you attach the bar. There is no crying or fighting or problems. The > > other thing sounds like forcing your child into a straight jacket. > > > > I have felt all along that our steps through this ordeal with Rose > > have been guided. First to Dr. Schwartz and then Dr. Mosca and > > apparently with Greg at Childrens too. So, Angel, if Dr. Mosca wants > > you to go back to using the shoes on the gold bar, either because he > > thinks it is better or because Gregg dosn't have shoes that fit on the > > red bar, what are you going to do? > > > > Robin & Rose. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 For the shoes to fit onto the red bar if they are already mounted on plates is as simple as removing them from the plates and attaching them to the plates that are already on the bar. I just hope to avoid that step for everyone's sake. I prefer the red bar because I dont need a new one every time Kai grows, I just measure his shoulders and then adjust the bar. This is important to me because of the distance we have to go and in what conditions - we are getting ready to go to Seattle for a 3 mo check and there is a good possibility that even with a 4x4 and chains that we will not make it. there is a great deal of snow on the pass - in fact, the pass was closed most of today for blizzard conditions. They are expecting freezing rain tomorrow, and the cascades are under high avalanche and/or blizzard warning. We are supposed to be there friday and the freezing rain is supposed to still be in effect then. If Kai was in the gold bar, right now we would be looking at the very real possibility of not being able to get him a new bar for a month or more - and I just had to adjust his bar out 2 " 3 weeks ago. I think if I lived closer to Seattle it would not make a difference, but I really like having that ability to do it myself. Angel Re: DBB > > > Now we have a red bar that they dont come off of, and it is a > non-issue, although I do hope Greg keeps shoes around that are not > pre-mounted to the silver plate! Angel, are the plates different for the red bar? Pre-mounted meaning they're already screwed to the shoes? Why is this an issue? Isn't it just a screw? Or is it a totally different thing? (the ortho guy who gave us our last pair of shoes was unsure if I could mount them myself for some reason... I'm just wondering because it's just a screw and I assured him I could handle a screwdriver...) Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Kori, First, I want to say that what you said about the gold bar was 100% what I found. At first, I dont think I could have done it right leaving them on the bar, but I also noticed that after a time the nuts were always coming loose, and that the bar would no longer seat down right - made a clicking sound and would rock. After that happened with 2 pairs of shoes, I stopped taking them off the bar. Shortly after that we went to Iowa and got the other bar. As for the hardware - each adjustable (red) bar comes with the hardware, but that doesnt mean it is easy! lol I will try to take pics tomorrow that show what the bottom of the shoes look like. i do so wish I could come over to Portland for a day trip. I would so love to get together with you and Beth (someone from my Jan 03 playgroup whose son was born w/unilat. CF just days after Kai - being treated with extremely modified Ponseti method, but working for them). Angel Re: DBB for the record here... I used to take the shoes off the bar but now I don't. It used to be easier... and now it's just as easy to get on with the bar attached so that's how I do it. I stripped the grooves in her first bar, the shoes would come a little loose and they'd just grind it off on that side. We had to get a new bar and plates. It happened again with the next bar but it didn't get stripped, a couple of teeth came off. It still tightened up good and tight though. After that, I just figured with the new bar that it may be better to keep them attached as much as possible and after figuring out how to get it on her properly (heel down far enough) that's just what I do. I am however of the mind that it is very much easier to get a proper fit without the bar. I think it may be a better idea for those first using the dbb to take the shoes off if they can. Getting the heels down seems to be a common error (I made it) and I am not unsure that having to put the dbb on with the bar attached isn't contributing to it in some way. I think it's easier to get the shoes tight enough when you're just handling the one foot and can hold it tight at the ankle and cinch it down. It also makes it easier to push the heel down into the shoe (just remember to keep that nut on or you'll poke your thighs!) So there it is, I think both ways work well for those who it works well for (does that make sense?). I am very curious about this red bar and the hardware used to attach the shoes to it. I can't for the life of me think that there's no way to make the shoes easier to come off. A good hardware store should have something that will fit... or some specialty hardware place (marine or automotive??). Kori At 10:16 PM 1/7/04, you wrote: >Robin, > >Maybe it would have been " easier " to put the shoes on without the bar >then attaching the bar. I don't know, but it wasn't an option for us. >Even with the removable bar, I doubt I would have messed with the shoes >much out of fear of messing it up. My son had bilateral clubfoot so it >didn't make a difference which shoe went on first (many parents whose >child has unilateral clubfoot put the clubfoot in first) and I would >lace then buckle the first shoe then put on the second shoe. Jakob may >have cried at first when we put the brace on, but that didn't last >long. He just didn't like being messed with (to put on his brace or >change his diaper or whatever). He didn't fight us at all in the 3 1/2 >years he wore it. Of course, this is just one person's experience. > > > >Robin Lane wrote: > > > Well, just for the record, the shoes with the red bar sound very > > difficult to use. I am sure if there was no other choice, you would > > get used to it but it sounds barbaric to me. No wonder you have to > > strap and strap and then lace and lace. The shoes from the gold bar > > are just shoes with a post on the bottom. You put them on your child > > just like any other shoe you will ever put on your child. AND THEN > > you attach the bar. There is no crying or fighting or problems. The > > other thing sounds like forcing your child into a straight jacket. > > > > I have felt all along that our steps through this ordeal with Rose > > have been guided. First to Dr. Schwartz and then Dr. Mosca and > > apparently with Greg at Childrens too. So, Angel, if Dr. Mosca wants > > you to go back to using the shoes on the gold bar, either because he > > thinks it is better or because Gregg dosn't have shoes that fit on the > > red bar, what are you going to do? > > > > Robin & Rose. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Robin, Maybe it would have been " easier " to put the shoes on without the bar then attaching the bar. I don't know, but it wasn't an option for us. Even with the removable bar, I doubt I would have messed with the shoes much out of fear of messing it up. My son had bilateral clubfoot so it didn't make a difference which shoe went on first (many parents whose child has unilateral clubfoot put the clubfoot in first) and I would lace then buckle the first shoe then put on the second shoe. Jakob may have cried at first when we put the brace on, but that didn't last long. He just didn't like being messed with (to put on his brace or change his diaper or whatever). He didn't fight us at all in the 3 1/2 years he wore it. Of course, this is just one person's experience. Robin Lane wrote: > Well, just for the record, the shoes with the red bar sound very > difficult to use. I am sure if there was no other choice, you would > get used to it but it sounds barbaric to me. No wonder you have to > strap and strap and then lace and lace. The shoes from the gold bar > are just shoes with a post on the bottom. You put them on your child > just like any other shoe you will ever put on your child. AND THEN > you attach the bar. There is no crying or fighting or problems. The > other thing sounds like forcing your child into a straight jacket. > > I have felt all along that our steps through this ordeal with Rose > have been guided. First to Dr. Schwartz and then Dr. Mosca and > apparently with Greg at Childrens too. So, Angel, if Dr. Mosca wants > you to go back to using the shoes on the gold bar, either because he > thinks it is better or because Gregg dosn't have shoes that fit on the > red bar, what are you going to do? > > Robin & Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Morning Rach There is obviously some confusion over the types of bars and the angles etc. Dr Ponsetti's book states that the external rotation splint " The shoes are fixed to the splint in 70 degrees of external rotation and in 15 degrees of dorsiflexion " The shoes and the bar are referred to as DBB. This is short for Denis Browne Bar, which was first introduced in 1934 for early correction of the clubfoot. Dr Ponsetti would appear to have taken the basic mechanical structure and modified the angles to suit his treatment. The bend on the bar should be in the middle, leave three of four inches straight and then each side should have 15 % lift. (If bi- lateral, only the clubfoot side for uni-lateral) If in doubt on these issues e-mail Dr Ponsetti. He will reply. It certainly gives you confidence in what you are doing. I hope this is of help, if you need anymore detail please reply back. I could take a picture of Ben's bar and boots if you want on both the red and the gold bars. We have used both over the last two years. Best wishes Tom, Corinne & Ben. (19/11/01) > > Hi > > > > Our son is in the DBB 16/18 hours per day and we have the new > Markell shoes > > with a straight bar, it can be adjusted by bolts on the bottom of > the shoe. > > I think it just depends on which bar that you get in the first > place. I can > > undo the bar easily and take the shoes off the bar, but I don't > think you > > can with the other bar which has 2 clamps in the middle of it and > the shoes > > are fixed. I don't believe one is better than the other and I get > on very > > well with our straight bar and am glad that I can undo the shoes > sometimes > > for various reasons!!! It is what you get used to. > > > > Regards > > > > Rach, Steve & Connor (8.5 months, bilateral c/f) > > > > -- DBB > > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:20:53 -0000 > > > > > >Just want to confirm that the DBB should be curved when worn, with > > >the apex of the arc further away from the body. Sometimes when I > > >see it in pictures, it looks straight. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi Yes I did ask as another parent I know from here had the bar that is bent. There were 3 babies being treated the same time as Connor and we all had tenotomies the same day etc. The shoes were ordered for all 3 of us at the same time Connor is bilateral, one other was bilateral and one was uni. We all had the straight bars. I asked if it should be bent for the dorsiflexion and she said only in the last casting. She also doesn't do everything by the book. She is not listed on Ponseti's website and has only been practising this method for 18months or so. She has dealt with clubfoot for years I have to say and has done a lovely job, just sometimes she a bit 'scatty' about things, like timings i.e we only had the tenotomy casts on for 2 weeks, I was told 12 hours straight off after the 3 months were up which I have never done, he is roughly 16hours. She also told me that Connors feet were 'very difficult' but she also told 2 others I know the same thing, so who knows... ....... I feel I have seen worse but I am only a parent and not a doctor. I am trying to the Ponseti bit by the book from emails from him to me and others that I know, not just from what my Physio is telling me. Rach -- DBB > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:20:53 -0000 > > > >Just want to confirm that the DBB should be curved when worn, with > >the apex of the arc further away from the body. Sometimes when I > >see it in pictures, it looks straight. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Thank you for that and yes could you send me some pictures of your bar that you had bent?? You can email me on rach@.... I think they would need to be twisted so that the shoes are more angled upwards rather than actually bending the bar so just need to clarify that. Thank you again. Rach. -- DBB > > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:20:53 -0000 > > > > > >Just want to confirm that the DBB should be curved when worn, with > > >the apex of the arc further away from the body. Sometimes when I > > >see it in pictures, it looks straight. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Angel, Thank you for your open and honest answer. Maybe the red bar is not so bad. As you know, I am in Alaska and I get the shoes and bar mailed to me by Greg. Rose Just outgrew her first pair of shoes in Dec and I emailed Greg that I needed new shoes. He called me and quizzed me a bit and said he would send me new shoes and the 12 inch bar. He said the 12 inch bar dosn't start getting used until 10-12 months of age, and then is used usually until the child is finished wearing the shoes. It makes sense. You would have to have a pretty big three-year old to be more than 12 inches between the shoulders. She is kind of close so I tried the larger bar but she seemed uncomfortable so I switched back to the 10 inch bar. She has so little day time in the shoes that it is really a non issue. (Rose is 10-12 hours per day in the shoe so she might have 1-2 hours in an evening in the DBB before bed, but no more than that.) You mentioned having problems with the gold bar and the shoes getting loose, nuts coming off, etc. Although sometimes Rose's shoes come loose, it is not a big deal to tighten them up again. It is no different than tying her shoes if they come undone. The bottom of the bar is marked for placement of the shoes so it is never an issue of where the shoe goes. Maybe when there is more awake time with the shoes on, the red bar would be more efficient, I don't really know. I personally like being able to take the shoes off the bar and do not have any trouble getting them back on right. I can't imagine expecting the babysitter to try to strap the one piece unit back onto you child. Only a parent has the patience for that. Have you talked to Greg about getting the new shoes for you? I know that at least last month he was not aware of the new shoes. Maybe he could get them ordered for you, particularly if they are going to be mounted on the red bar. Robin & Rose kitaki wrote: For the shoes to fit onto the red bar if they are already mounted on plates is as simple as removing them from the plates and attaching them to the plates that are already on the bar. I just hope to avoid that step for everyone's sake. I prefer the red bar because I dont need a new one every time Kai grows, I just measure his shoulders and then adjust the bar. This is important to me because of the distance we have to go and in what conditions - we are getting ready to go to Seattle for a 3 mo check and there is a good possibility that even with a 4x4 and chains that we will not make it. there is a great deal of snow on the pass - in fact, the pass was closed most of today for blizzard conditions. They are expecting freezing rain tomorrow, and the cascades are under high avalanche and/or blizzard warning. We are supposed to be there friday and the freezing rain is supposed to still be in effect then. If Kai was in the gold bar, right now we would be looking at the very real possibility of not being able to get him a new bar for a month or more - and I just had to adjust his bar out 2 " 3 weeks ago. I think if I lived closer to Seattle it would not make a difference, but I really like having that ability to do it myself. Angel Re: DBB > > > Now we have a red bar that they dont come off of, and it is a > non-issue, although I do hope Greg keeps shoes around that are not > pre-mounted to the silver plate! Angel, are the plates different for the red bar? Pre-mounted meaning they're already screwed to the shoes? Why is this an issue? Isn't it just a screw? Or is it a totally different thing? (the ortho guy who gave us our last pair of shoes was unsure if I could mount them myself for some reason... I'm just wondering because it's just a screw and I assured him I could handle a screwdriver...) Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 At 04:12 PM 1/8/04, you wrote: >He said the 12 inch bar dosn't start getting used until 10-12 months of >age, and then is used usually until the child is finished wearing the >shoes. It makes sense. You would have to have a pretty big three-year >old to be more than 12 inches between the shoulders. Rose, Darbi is 9mo's old and in the 12 " bar because when I put her shoes up to her shoulders in the 10 " bar it was at least an inch too small on both sides. However, this is heel to heel, not end of bar to end of bar. Based on discussions here in the past I understand that it is not bar length that we should be measuring but heel to heel. Darbi is unilateral, so only one shoe is turned to 70 degrees. That means that only one shoe heel is pointed toward the center of the bar making the distance between the heels even shorter. If she was bilateral both heels would point in thus making the distance between the heels even less. I can absolutely see that she'll need a longer bar someday as with this bar it's about even with the distance from shoulder to shoulder. At least that's the way I understand it. That said, she actually wasn't even unhappy in the 8 " bar at 6 mo's. I just got a new one because it was way too small according to the above parameters. And then again with the 10 " bar, I didn't get it because she was uncomfortable, it just wasn't right according to the specifications. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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