Re: Visit Today With Alternative Med Doctor

[Guest guest]

Hypo blood is thicker blood... getting thyroid levels up to where they should be gets the blood density back to normal.... I went through all that research when I got the infection in my legs that we thought were blood clots and actually turned out to be lymphedema. I had suspected that the increase thyroid levels might have thickened my blood when it turned out it was just the opposite.

You've got the soy thing right... fermented soys are better.. unfermented soys affect thyroid and are carcinogens, sold as an industrial by product to avoid disposal charges... That's the case of fluoride, too. It strengthens teeth, increases thyroid disorders, causes cancer and costs money to dispose of as hazardous waste.

I read an article a while back about how the use of soy products has increased, leaving even more of the by product waste, setting up a challenge for it's disposal, one of their brainstorming sessions came up with the idea of using it in makeups and moisturizers... Can't wait to see what that does to folks....

Just look at the babies and small children and the increase of cancers and chronic disease.... what have these wee ones done in their few months of life to damage their bodies to that degree?

*quietly climbing down from soap box*

Topper ()

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:56:40 -0000 "jeanyward" writes:

Hi Aussie Jane,No, I have not had the test you mentioned. I need to request it to find out. I vaguely remember the doctor talking about genetic blood clotting. I must not have been paying too much attention or just plan forgot what he said about it. Fermented soybean I heard is alright. Its the unfermented soybean that we need to be careful of. Thanks for the ino.F.

[Guest guest]

If you have Hashi's and still have remaining gland tissue the use of iodine is an absolute NO.

Stimulation of thyroid tissue in a person with Hashi's antibodies triggers the antibodies that will attack that functioning gland tissue and start the whole cycle over again. Depending on how much gland tissue is there you will get production out of it, until more tissue is destroyed, then your hormone levels will drop, then they may or may not increase your dose...

You've heard of the roller coaster hyper/hypo swings of Hashi's? That's what you'd be setting yourself up for....

The best treatment for Hashi's is suppression therapy. That means increasing replacement hormone dosage to the point where there is little or no gland function and therefore little or no antibody activity. That's a TSH level approaching zero and Free T's at their proper levels within their ranges and your symptoms little or none.

That will allow your body to have a much more consistent and healthy hormone level and not have to keep fluxing.

The end result of the antibody attacks is the destruction of the gland anyway. So trying to stimulate it now to reduce the need for replacement will do nothing more that increase your likelihood of dealing with fluctuations in levels until it eventually dies out and you're on total replacement anyway...

...... sorry.... getting mouthy and bossy.... it's a big deal though, you need all the information to be able to make an informed decision.

Topper ()

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:04:51 -0000 "jeanyward" writes:

Hi Topper, please continue to be nosey!In 1976 my original diagnosis for the RAI, given on two occasions, was Graves. I just found out a few months ago after I took the saliva test that I have hasimotos. To my knowledge, my thyroid gland was completely destroyed, yet over the last few years, I have told several doctors that I keep feeling something fluttering in my throat, but told it was all in my head, now I find out that a portion of my thyroid is still alive. He seems to think that I may be deficient of iodine and this will also nurish what ever is left of the thyroid. Also, he hopes that doing this will help me decrease the amount of thyroid I now take (4 grains). I asked him the same question about iodine and hashis and he seem to feel that I should not have any conflict with it. Can you give my any suggestions on how often to usde the iodine tincture? The one I did today (4:30 p.m.) is now almost gone (11:00p.m.)

[Guest guest]

Hi Aussie Jane, as far as I know there aren't any histories of clots

after surgery. I'm not sure what DVT and PEs are, please explain.

No miscarriages. And thanks for the website. Here's my e-mail

address. I couldn't see yours. Please e-mail me offline with more

information on quality nattokinase. Hopefully the one the doc gave

is quality: jeanyward@....

Thanks,

F.

> > > >

> > > > What was your original diagnosis, the reason for having RAI?

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering why he wants you to get iodine into your

system,

> > it's

> > > not a

> > > > good thing to do if you have Hashi's and if you have no

little

> > or no

> > > > thyroid gland function what is the iodine for ???

> > > >

> > > > Keep us posted on how this continues though, okay? I'd like

to

> > hear how

> > > > he does as time passes...

> > > >

> > > > *feeling nosey*

> > > >

> > > > Topper ()

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Ward

<Jeanyward@>

> > > > writes:

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > This is my second visit with this particular doctor (he took

> > over the

> > > > practice of a Broda doctor here in land). I am

> > seeing him

> > > > because my endo and GP do not seem to understand how to

treat my

> > hypo,

> > > > so, of course I am partially self-medicating. Anyway, my

main

> > focus

> > > with

> > > > this doctor has been concerning my hormones, as they relate

to my

> > > > thyroid. I took my saliva test (canaryclub) results to him

to

> > go over

> > > > with me since my other docs can't handle it, plus other

tests

> > that I

> > > have

> > > > taken at healthcheckusa. I am also presently using

progesterone

> > cream

> > > > (going into second month). In our first meeting he was able

to

> > record

> > > > quite a bit of information concerning my health starting

from a

> > very

> > > > young age. We also discussed my thyroid starting with the

first

> > > symptons

> > > > of it, all treatments received and the RAI. Of course he

dealt

> > with my

> > > > hysterectomy (still have one ovary). The attention he has

given

> > me

> > > > concerning this issue has never been addressed by my gyno

who

> > does not

> > > > seem to have a clue. I have asked him in the past to give

me

> > something

> > > > to help with my meno symptoms and he gave me premarin which

> > after a few

> > > > years I weaned myself off of, but he refused to give me

anything

> > else so

> > > > I am just now trying to find things to help me regain my

libido

> > and end

> > > > the sweats. According to the saliva test, I am estrogen

dominant

> > > and low

> > > > in progesterone and normal in testoterone. Anyway, I

started

> > with the

> > > > progesterone cream, but after talking with the doctor today

> > about some

> > > > things that have been going on with me, he called in to a

> > compounding

> > > > pharmacy to prepare a low bio-identical estrogen/progesteone

> > cream that

> > > > he wants me to try for a few months and let him know how I

react

> > to it.

> > > > After further discussion, he also wants me to try the iodine

> > tincture

> > > > before I try Iorodal (spelling?). I painted a spot on my

thigh

> > at 4:30

> > > > p.m. and is just now beginning to disappear (9:30p.m.).

What

> > does that

> > > > mean? Am I deficient a lot or mildly? He told me how often

to

> > do it,

> > > > but I forgot. I do remember that he wants me to try this

for a

> > > while and

> > > > let him know how I feel. He also cautioned me about the

dose of

> > armor I

> > > > am taking (4 grains), stating that I may have to lower it.

He is

> > alright

> > > > with the Isocort and adrenal cortex (on occasion) that I

take.

> > He just

> > > > did not want me to exhaust my adrenals because of my taking

the

> > 4 grains

> > > > of armour. He also asked me was the endo aware of the dose

and

> > the

> > > fact

> > > > that my TSH is below one, I said yes. Also, because I seem

to

> > have had

> > > > problems with passing several blood clots (my left eyes gets

> > bloody red

> > > > and I get a headache) just about any time, he recommended

> > nattokinese

> > > > (which I have been reading about). He also said something

that

> > I have

> > > > heard about and that is, in his experience, he has noticed

that

> > a lot of

> > > > patients that have autoimmune diseases seem to

have " thicker "

> > blood and

> > > > sometimes this causes blood clots to pass. So, because of

this

> > he

> > > > recommends a " bloodthinner. " Since I am allergic to aspirin,

he

> > > suggested

> > > > nattokinese. Also, I had several CAT scans and one shows

that

> > sometime

> > > > ago, I had a small stroke. I think it happened on those

> > occasions

> > > when I

> > > > was having severe migraine headaches. He also stated that

not to

> > be

> > > > alarmed because he also notices that a lot of women,

especially

> > those in

> > > > menopause and over 50, if scans were taken, they may show

that

> > they also

> > > > have had small strokes sometime during this period. Anyway,

I

> > am happy

> > > > that this doctor has been working with me to help restore my

> > body to

> > > > normalcy. My endo, except for prescribing armour, is vary

> > nonchalant

> > > > about these issues when I address them. The Pharmacist from

the

> > > > compounding pharmacy will call me on Monday to discuss the

> > > > estrogen/progesterone cream. I hope I get good results from

> > this.

> > > > Anyway, I hope in a few months, I have some good news to

report

> > from

> > > > this.

> > > >

> > > > F.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper, thanks for the information. I stay away from soy and

floride. I try to read all of the products I use just in case

tthere is somehting in them harmful to my thyroid or whatever is

left of it. I really feel sorry for all of th children and what is

given to them.

BTW, I like your soapbox.

F.

>

> Hypo blood is thicker blood... getting thyroid levels up to where

they

> should be gets the blood density back to normal.... I went through

all

> that research when I got the infection in my legs that we thought

were

> blood clots and actually turned out to be lymphedema. I had

suspected

> that the increase thyroid levels might have thickened my blood

when it

> turned out it was just the opposite.

>

> You've got the soy thing right... fermented soys are better..

unfermented

> soys affect thyroid and are carcinogens, sold as an industrial by

product

> to avoid disposal charges... That's the case of fluoride, too. It

> strengthens teeth, increases thyroid disorders, causes cancer and

costs

> money to dispose of as hazardous waste.

>

> I read an article a while back about how the use of soy products

has

> increased, leaving even more of the by product waste, setting up a

> challenge for it's disposal, one of their brainstorming sessions

came up

> with the idea of using it in makeups and moisturizers... Can't

wait to

> see what that does to folks....

>

> Just look at the babies and small children and the increase of

cancers

> and chronic disease.... what have these wee ones done in their few

months

> of life to damage their bodies to that degree?

>

> *quietly climbing down from soap box*

>

>

> Topper ()

>

>

>

> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:56:40 -0000 " jeanyward "

> writes:

>

> Hi Aussie Jane,

> No, I have not had the test you mentioned. I need to request it to

> find out. I vaguely remember the doctor talking about genetic

blood

> clotting. I must not have been paying too much attention or just

> plan forgot what he said about it. Fermented soybean I heard is

> alright. Its the unfermented soybean that we need to be careful

of.

> Thanks for the ino.

>

> F.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper, I'm really confused now. I don't know what to do. I do

not want to cause any discomfort to myself. What are the symptoms

of hyper/hypo swings? I have no idea how much gland maybe left.

F.

>

> If you have Hashi's and still have remaining gland tissue the use

of

> iodine is an absolute NO.

>

> Stimulation of thyroid tissue in a person with Hashi's antibodies

> triggers the antibodies that will attack that functioning gland

tissue

> and start the whole cycle over again. Depending on how much gland

tissue

> is there you will get production out of it, until more tissue is

> destroyed, then your hormone levels will drop, then they may or

may not

> increase your dose...

>

> You've heard of the roller coaster hyper/hypo swings of Hashi's?

That's

> what you'd be setting yourself up for....

>

> The best treatment for Hashi's is suppression therapy. That means

> increasing replacement hormone dosage to the point where there is

little

> or no gland function and therefore little or no antibody activity.

That's

> a TSH level approaching zero and Free T's at their proper levels

within

> their ranges and your symptoms little or none.

>

> That will allow your body to have a much more consistent and

healthy

> hormone level and not have to keep fluxing.

>

> The end result of the antibody attacks is the destruction of the

gland

> anyway. So trying to stimulate it now to reduce the need for

replacement

> will do nothing more that increase your likelihood of dealing with

> fluctuations in levels until it eventually dies out and you're on

total

> replacement anyway...

>

> ..... sorry.... getting mouthy and bossy.... it's a big deal

though, you

> need all the information to be able to make an informed decision.

>

> Topper ()

>

>

> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:04:51 -0000 " jeanyward "

> writes:

>

> Hi Topper, please continue to be nosey!

>

> In 1976 my original diagnosis for the RAI, given on two occasions,

> was Graves. I just found out a few months ago after I took the

> saliva test that I have hasimotos. To my knowledge, my thyroid

> gland was completely destroyed, yet over the last few years, I

have

> told several doctors that I keep feeling something fluttering in

my

> throat, but told it was all in my head, now I find out that a

> portion of my thyroid is still alive. He seems to think that I may

> be deficient of iodine and this will also nurish what ever is left

> of the thyroid. Also, he hopes that doing this will help me

> decrease the amount of thyroid I now take (4 grains). I asked him

> the same question about iodine and hashis and he seem to feel that

I

> should not have any conflict with it. Can you give my any

> suggestions on how often to usde the iodine tincture? The one I

did

> today (4:30 p.m.) is now almost gone (11:00p.m.)

>

[Guest guest]

way to go jean!!

andrea

Visit Today With Alternative Med Doctor

Hello everyone,

This is my second visit with this particular doctor (he took over the practice of a Broda doctor here in land). I am seeing him because my endo and GP do not seem to understand how to treat my hypo, so, of course I am partially self-medicating. Anyway, my main focus with this doctor has been concerning my hormones, as they relate to my thyroid. I took my saliva test (canaryclub) results to him to go over with me since my other docs can't handle it, plus other tests that I have taken at healthcheckusa. I am also presently using progesterone cream (going into second month). In our first meeting he was able to record quite a bit of information concerning my health starting from a very young age. We also discussed my thyroid starting with the first symptons of it, all treatments received and the RAI. Of course he dealt with my hysterectomy (still have one ovary). The attention he has given me concerning this issue has never been addressed by my gyno who does not seem to have a clue. I have asked him in the past to give me something to help with my meno symptoms and he gave me premarin which after a few years I weaned myself off of, but he refused to give me anything else so I am just now trying to find things to help me regain my libido and end the sweats. According to the saliva test, I am estrogen dominant and low in progesterone and normal in testoterone. Anyway, I started with the progesterone cream, but after talking with the doctor today about some things that have been going on with me, he called in to a compounding pharmacy to prepare a low bio-identical estrogen/progesteone cream that he wants me to try for a few months and let him know how I react to it. After further discussion, he also wants me to try the iodine tincture before I try Iorodal (spelling?). I painted a spot on my thigh at 4:30 p.m. and is just now beginning to disappear (9:30p.m.). What does that mean? Am I deficient a lot or mildly? He told me how often to do it, but I forgot. I do remember that he wants me to try this for a while and let him know how I feel. He also cautioned me about the dose of armor I am taking (4 grains), stating that I may have to lower it. He is alright with the Isocort and adrenal cortex (on occasion) that I take. He just did not want me to exhaust my adrenals because of my taking the 4 grains of armour. He also asked me was the endo aware of the dose and the fact that my TSH is below one, I said yes. Also, because I seem to have had problems with passing several blood clots (my left eyes gets bloody red and I get a headache) just about any time, he recommended nattokinese (which I have been reading about). He also said something that I have heard about and that is, in his experience, he has noticed that a lot of patients that have autoimmune diseases seem to have "thicker" blood and sometimes this causes blood clots to pass. So, because of this he recommends a "bloodthinner." Since I am allergic to aspirin, he suggested nattokinese. Also, I had several CAT scans and one shows that sometime ago, I had a small stroke. I think it happened on those occasions when I was having severe migraine headaches. He also stated that not to be alarmed because he also notices that a lot of women, especially those in menopause and over 50, if scans were taken, they may show that they also have had small strokes sometime during this period. Anyway, I am happy that this doctor has been working with me to help restore my body to normalcy. My endo, except for prescribing armour, is vary nonchalant about these issues when I address them. The Pharmacist from the compounding pharmacy will call me on Monday to discuss the estrogen/progesterone cream. I hope I get good results from this. Anyway, I hope in a few months, I have some good news to report from this.

F.

Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

[Guest guest]

Hi Aussie Jane, I looked at the website you recommended and was able

to determine that I am not aware of any family history re to DVTs or

PEs but after reading the website I sort of remember that my mother

had TIAa and also in a CAT scan I took about 18 months to 2 years

ago, it showed that I had a small stroke sometime ago.

F.

> > > >

> > > > What was your original diagnosis, the reason for having RAI?

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering why he wants you to get iodine into your

system,

> > it's

> > > not a

> > > > good thing to do if you have Hashi's and if you have no

little

> > or no

> > > > thyroid gland function what is the iodine for ???

> > > >

> > > > Keep us posted on how this continues though, okay? I'd like

to

> > hear how

> > > > he does as time passes...

> > > >

> > > > *feeling nosey*

> > > >

> > > > Topper ()

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Ward

<Jeanyward@>

> > > > writes:

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > This is my second visit with this particular doctor (he took

> > over the

> > > > practice of a Broda doctor here in land). I am

> > seeing him

> > > > because my endo and GP do not seem to understand how to

treat my

> > hypo,

> > > > so, of course I am partially self-medicating. Anyway, my

main

> > focus

> > > with

> > > > this doctor has been concerning my hormones, as they relate

to my

> > > > thyroid. I took my saliva test (canaryclub) results to him

to

> > go over

> > > > with me since my other docs can't handle it, plus other

tests

> > that I

> > > have

> > > > taken at healthcheckusa. I am also presently using

progesterone

> > cream

> > > > (going into second month). In our first meeting he was able

to

> > record

> > > > quite a bit of information concerning my health starting

from a

> > very

> > > > young age. We also discussed my thyroid starting with the

first

> > > symptons

> > > > of it, all treatments received and the RAI. Of course he

dealt

> > with my

> > > > hysterectomy (still have one ovary). The attention he has

given

> > me

> > > > concerning this issue has never been addressed by my gyno

who

> > does not

> > > > seem to have a clue. I have asked him in the past to give

me

> > something

> > > > to help with my meno symptoms and he gave me premarin which

> > after a few

> > > > years I weaned myself off of, but he refused to give me

anything

> > else so

> > > > I am just now trying to find things to help me regain my

libido

> > and end

> > > > the sweats. According to the saliva test, I am estrogen

dominant

> > > and low

> > > > in progesterone and normal in testoterone. Anyway, I

started

> > with the

> > > > progesterone cream, but after talking with the doctor today

> > about some

> > > > things that have been going on with me, he called in to a

> > compounding

> > > > pharmacy to prepare a low bio-identical estrogen/progesteone

> > cream that

> > > > he wants me to try for a few months and let him know how I

react

> > to it.

> > > > After further discussion, he also wants me to try the iodine

> > tincture

> > > > before I try Iorodal (spelling?). I painted a spot on my

thigh

> > at 4:30

> > > > p.m. and is just now beginning to disappear (9:30p.m.).

What

> > does that

> > > > mean? Am I deficient a lot or mildly? He told me how often

to

> > do it,

> > > > but I forgot. I do remember that he wants me to try this

for a

> > > while and

> > > > let him know how I feel. He also cautioned me about the

dose of

> > armor I

> > > > am taking (4 grains), stating that I may have to lower it.

He is

> > alright

> > > > with the Isocort and adrenal cortex (on occasion) that I

take.

> > He just

> > > > did not want me to exhaust my adrenals because of my taking

the

> > 4 grains

> > > > of armour. He also asked me was the endo aware of the dose

and

> > the

> > > fact

> > > > that my TSH is below one, I said yes. Also, because I seem

to

> > have had

> > > > problems with passing several blood clots (my left eyes gets

> > bloody red

> > > > and I get a headache) just about any time, he recommended

> > nattokinese

> > > > (which I have been reading about). He also said something

that

> > I have

> > > > heard about and that is, in his experience, he has noticed

that

> > a lot of

> > > > patients that have autoimmune diseases seem to

have " thicker "

> > blood and

> > > > sometimes this causes blood clots to pass. So, because of

this

> > he

> > > > recommends a " bloodthinner. " Since I am allergic to aspirin,

he

> > > suggested

> > > > nattokinese. Also, I had several CAT scans and one shows

that

> > sometime

> > > > ago, I had a small stroke. I think it happened on those

> > occasions

> > > when I

> > > > was having severe migraine headaches. He also stated that

not to

> > be

> > > > alarmed because he also notices that a lot of women,

especially

> > those in

> > > > menopause and over 50, if scans were taken, they may show

that

> > they also

> > > > have had small strokes sometime during this period. Anyway,

I

> > am happy

> > > > that this doctor has been working with me to help restore my

> > body to

> > > > normalcy. My endo, except for prescribing armour, is vary

> > nonchalant

> > > > about these issues when I address them. The Pharmacist from

the

> > > > compounding pharmacy will call me on Monday to discuss the

> > > > estrogen/progesterone cream. I hope I get good results from

> > this.

> > > > Anyway, I hope in a few months, I have some good news to

report

> > from

> > > > this.

> > > >

> > > > F.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My blood has always been on the thin side, but then I have never been

" normal " that sounds better than abnormal.

BTW, I thought the topic for the month was great but naturally I can't

think of a single " brain fart " I have had other than the average " what

did I come in here for " ...except about a year ago (and this one isn't

funny), I came to the end of the street my surgeon's office is on and,

for the life of me, I couldn't figure out where I was or which way to

go. I was on the left side the interstate and I thought I was on the

road on the right side of the interstate. I sat there not able to

move because I was so confused. It was really scary!!

Peggy

[Guest guest]

My Fibro Doc mentioned something about my clotting factor now that I think about it. Something about coagulation and my blood being too thick which is common in Fibro patients. This would explain low BP and terrible cold....does anyone know anything about this in relation to our thyroid...if any?

Amber

Re: Visit Today With Alternative Med Doctor

I take Nattokinase for blood clots. I have a genetic bloodclotting disorder that makes me clot more easily than the 95% of therest of the population. Have you had the blood test for Factor V (five ) Leiden ? I have had a DVT and also used to get many migraines.Nattokinase is a fermented soybean tablet. I still wonder if that hasissues with a Thyroid disorder. Aussie Jane-- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , topper2@... wrote:>> What was your original diagnosis, the reason for having RAI?> > I'm wondering why he wants you to get iodine into your system, it'snot a> good thing to do if you have Hashi's and if you have no little or no> thyroid gland function what is the iodine for ???> > Keep us posted on how this continues though, okay? I'd like to hear how> he does as time passes...> > *feeling nosey*> > Topper ()> > On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Ward > writes:> > Hello everyone,> > This is my second visit with this particular doctor (he took over the> practice of a Broda doctor here in land). I am seeing him> because my endo and GP do not seem to understand how to treat my hypo,> so, of course I am partially self-medicating. Anyway, my main focuswith> this doctor has been concerning my hormones, as they relate to my> thyroid. I took my saliva test (canaryclub) results to him to go over> with me since my other docs can't handle it, plus other tests that Ihave> taken at healthcheckusa. I am also presently using progesterone cream> (going into second month). In our first meeting he was able to record> quite a bit of information concerning my health starting from a very> young age. We also discussed my thyroid starting with the firstsymptons> of it, all treatments received and the RAI. Of course he dealt with my> hysterectomy (still have one ovary). The attention he has given me> concerning this issue has never been addressed by my gyno who does not> seem to have a clue. I have asked him in the past to give me something> to help with my meno symptoms and he gave me premarin which after a few> years I weaned myself off of, but he refused to give me anything else so> I am just now trying to find things to help me regain my libido and end> the sweats. According to the saliva test, I am estrogen dominantand low> in progesterone and normal in testoterone. Anyway, I started with the> progesterone cream, but after talking with the doctor today about some> things that have been going on with me, he called in to a compounding> pharmacy to prepare a low bio-identical estrogen/progesteone cream that> he wants me to try for a few months and let him know how I react to it. > After further discussion, he also wants me to try the iodine tincture> before I try Iorodal (spelling?). I painted a spot on my thigh at 4:30> p.m. and is just now beginning to disappear (9:30p.m.). What does that> mean? Am I deficient a lot or mildly? He told me how often to do it,> but I forgot. I do remember that he wants me to try this for awhile and> let him know how I feel. He also cautioned me about the dose of armor I> am taking (4 grains), stating that I may have to lower it. He is alright> with the Isocort and adrenal cortex (on occasion) that I take. He just> did not want me to exhaust my adrenals because of my taking the 4 grains> of armour. He also asked me was the endo aware of the dose and thefact> that my TSH is below one, I said yes. Also, because I seem to have had> problems with passing several blood clots (my left eyes gets bloody red> and I get a headache) just about any time, he recommended nattokinese> (which I have been reading about). He also said something that I have> heard about and that is, in his experience, he has noticed that a lot of> patients that have autoimmune diseases seem to have "thicker" blood and> sometimes this causes blood clots to pass. So, because of this he> recommends a "bloodthinner." Since I am allergic to aspirin, hesuggested> nattokinese. Also, I had several CAT scans and one shows that sometime> ago, I had a small stroke. I think it happened on those occasionswhen I> was having severe migraine headaches. He also stated that not to be> alarmed because he also notices that a lot of women, especially those in> menopause and over 50, if scans were taken, they may show that they also> have had small strokes sometime during this period. Anyway, I am happy> that this doctor has been working with me to help restore my body to> normalcy. My endo, except for prescribing armour, is vary nonchalant> about these issues when I address them. The Pharmacist from the> compounding pharmacy will call me on Monday to discuss the> estrogen/progesterone cream. I hope I get good results from this. > Anyway, I hope in a few months, I have some good news to report from> this.> > F.>

[Guest guest]

All I can add is that my migraines were always better if I kept my

blood thinner by taking aspirin 3x a week. And that I haven't had

Fibro pain since taking Nattokinase but can't remember if it all

happened together. ie -Fibro may have been improving anyway - I was

having alot of acupuncture then as well. If my blood thickens up I

get leg pain from my clot. So I take Nattokinase every day now.

Just curious about all the soy links. Cos now my Thyroid is worse.

Aussie Jane

> >

> > What was your original diagnosis, the reason for having RAI?

> >

> > I'm wondering why he wants you to get iodine into your system, it's

> not a

> > good thing to do if you have Hashi's and if you have no little or no

> > thyroid gland function what is the iodine for ???

> >

> > Keep us posted on how this continues though, okay? I'd like to

hear how

> > he does as time passes...

> >

> > *feeling nosey*

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> > On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Ward <Jeanyward@>

> > writes:

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > This is my second visit with this particular doctor (he took

over the

> > practice of a Broda doctor here in land). I am

seeing him

> > because my endo and GP do not seem to understand how to treat my

hypo,

> > so, of course I am partially self-medicating. Anyway, my main focus

> with

> > this doctor has been concerning my hormones, as they relate to my

> > thyroid. I took my saliva test (canaryclub) results to him to

go over

> > with me since my other docs can't handle it, plus other tests that I

> have

> > taken at healthcheckusa. I am also presently using progesterone

cream

> > (going into second month). In our first meeting he was able to

record

> > quite a bit of information concerning my health starting from a very

> > young age. We also discussed my thyroid starting with the first

> symptons

> > of it, all treatments received and the RAI. Of course he dealt

with my

> > hysterectomy (still have one ovary). The attention he has given me

> > concerning this issue has never been addressed by my gyno who

does not

> > seem to have a clue. I have asked him in the past to give me

something

> > to help with my meno symptoms and he gave me premarin which

after a few

> > years I weaned myself off of, but he refused to give me anything

else so

> > I am just now trying to find things to help me regain my libido

and end

> > the sweats. According to the saliva test, I am estrogen dominant

> and low

> > in progesterone and normal in testoterone. Anyway, I started

with the

> > progesterone cream, but after talking with the doctor today

about some

> > things that have been going on with me, he called in to a

compounding

> > pharmacy to prepare a low bio-identical estrogen/progesteone

cream that

> > he wants me to try for a few months and let him know how I react

to it.

> > After further discussion, he also wants me to try the iodine

tincture

> > before I try Iorodal (spelling?). I painted a spot on my thigh

at 4:30

> > p.m. and is just now beginning to disappear (9:30p.m.). What

does that

> > mean? Am I deficient a lot or mildly? He told me how often to

do it,

> > but I forgot. I do remember that he wants me to try this for a

> while and

> > let him know how I feel. He also cautioned me about the dose of

armor I

> > am taking (4 grains), stating that I may have to lower it. He is

alright

> > with the Isocort and adrenal cortex (on occasion) that I take.

He just

> > did not want me to exhaust my adrenals because of my taking the

4 grains

> > of armour. He also asked me was the endo aware of the dose and the

> fact

> > that my TSH is below one, I said yes. Also, because I seem to

have had

> > problems with passing several blood clots (my left eyes gets

bloody red

> > and I get a headache) just about any time, he recommended

nattokinese

> > (which I have been reading about). He also said something that

I have

> > heard about and that is, in his experience, he has noticed that

a lot of

> > patients that have autoimmune diseases seem to have " thicker "

blood and

> > sometimes this causes blood clots to pass. So, because of this he

> > recommends a " bloodthinner. " Since I am allergic to aspirin, he

> suggested

> > nattokinese. Also, I had several CAT scans and one shows that

sometime

> > ago, I had a small stroke. I think it happened on those occasions

> when I

> > was having severe migraine headaches. He also stated that not to be

> > alarmed because he also notices that a lot of women, especially

those in

> > menopause and over 50, if scans were taken, they may show that

they also

> > have had small strokes sometime during this period. Anyway, I

am happy

> > that this doctor has been working with me to help restore my body to

> > normalcy. My endo, except for prescribing armour, is vary

nonchalant

> > about these issues when I address them. The Pharmacist from the

> > compounding pharmacy will call me on Monday to discuss the

> > estrogen/progesterone cream. I hope I get good results from this.

> > Anyway, I hope in a few months, I have some good news to report from

> > this.

> >

> > F.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Soy causes problems with hormone production in the gland and with thyroid hormone conversion... so a double whammy that hits those of us with little or no thyroid function the hardest. There is also some speculation that the increase in the use of soy in so many foods could be contributing to the rise in thyroid malfunction...

.... at any rate... by keeping soy intake consistent and adjusting meds to compensate you can relieve some of the negativity of soy to thyroid... it won't do anything for the other negative affects of soy....

.... I have no good things to say about soy so I'll just leave it at that.... that you keep soy intake consistent and adjust thyroid replacement to compensate for it. If soy intake changes you may have to adjust thyroid meds to normalize blood levels again.

Topper ()

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:31:17 -0000 "aussi_jane" writes:

All I can add is that my migraines were always better if I kept myblood thinner by taking aspirin 3x a week. And that I haven't hadFibro pain since taking Nattokinase but can't remember if it allhappened together. ie -Fibro may have been improving anyway - I washaving alot of acupuncture then as well. If my blood thickens up Iget leg pain from my clot. So I take Nattokinase every day now.Just curious about all the soy links. Cos now my Thyroid is worse.Aussie Jane

[Guest guest]

Peggy.... repeat after me.... I'm gonna win... I'm gonna win... I'm GONNA WWIINN!!!

You've heard my story? chronic pain... couldn't walk without crutches... typical weight gain.. couldn't even carry a bag of sugar across the room...... All that is gone... all of it....

No crutches.... I use them to dry pasta.

No pain... just an odd headache now an again, or some wore out muscles when I over do it..... no more waking every morning with my head shooting back and forth looking for the truck that ran me down, backed over me and then put it back in gear.

I can go up and down the stairs a dozen times a day without crashing for a week.

I can poop every day and not just once or twice a month.

My list of things that are better is HUGE..... If I can improve, with no gland function at all, after more than 10 years of being underdosed and pretty much one of the semi-ambulatory dead..... it can be done.

Is it easy? Not for most of us... it can take some effort to get every thing right.... find which foods are good or bad and why so that you can choose how to juggle, figuring out the type of hormone replacement and the dosage, all kinds of stuff.. but once you get it figure out.... we get to be human again...

We ARE human again.

Never give up... Never get frustrated... Please... never crawl in an hole and hide, like I did..... This group is here so that we can learn from each other, encourage each other... hang on to each other during the bad times and do happy happy joy joy line dancing during the good times....

Is every day gonna be perfect once you figure it out? Heck no.... but it's not perfect everyday for normal folks either.... But oh my gosh... once the good days are back.... Best thing in all the world is to have the good days back.... and the bad day every once in a while to remind you to celebrate the return of the more "good days then bad'......

Soy.... I've been getting too vocal about it lately... I'll stick to one sentence this time.... Soy by products are used in human foods because when they put it in animal feeds in causes such grotesque deformities in the offspring that they couldn't even use them for fertilizer and they didn't want to pay to have the stuff disposed of as hazardous waste, just like fluoride, sell it to be used on humans to avoid the costs of hazardous waste disposal....

Hey.. that reminds me... I saw a commercial the other day for a toothpaste for kids.... I can't remember the brand name, but it's some training toothpaste for kids learning to brush their teeth.... they emphasized that it's fluoride free, so it's safe to swallow..... Ever read your average toothpaste label? It says not to swallow.... that's cuz of the fluoride... it's not good for us.

Watch your grandbaby... make sure that her thyroid levels are screened annually to make sure that there aren't any problems down the road... Soy babies have a much greater risk of thyroid malfunction as they grow than milk fed babies.

We can beat this stuff.... and we'll teach each other how to do it!!!

Topper ()

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:23:18 -0000 "Peggy" writes:

I sometimes feel like we can't win. I was reading today in the book,"Skinny Bitch"(and that is mild for the language in the book.)how badmilk and meat including chicken and seafood are for humans. Theythink soy is wonderful...the perfect food, good for what ails you andthe whole time I am thinking but soy isn't good for those of uswithout normal thyroids. It worries me that my little granddaughterhas been on soy milk since she was 6 months old, when she broke out inhives when her mommy spilled milk on her.Peggy