Re: Why does hypo cause adrenal fatigue?

[Guest guest]

Oh that makes hard reading especially as I am pretty sure I am one of those

mothers who borrowed from the foetal cortisol.

I have never felt better in my life than when I was about 6 months pregnant.

And now my son has jst bene diagnosed with Stage Four/Five Adrenal

Fatigue........

Yikes!

Mo

[Guest guest]

Hypothyroid strains every system adn gland inthe body! When we are hypo

our adrenals produce higher cortiosl to compensate and to try to keep

the metabolic rate form dropping too lolow, this extra work on the

adrenals is what causes (along wiht the toxin load in the body which the

thyroid usually removes) adrenal fatigue.

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[Guest guest]

I tend to disagree. I know in many cases that adrenals need to work harder when

undiagnosed or undertreated hypoT is going on, but I also believe that chronic

stress can burn out the adrenals. I believe now that I was set up for this

starting in childhood. I lived in a very chaotic environment where I never knew

what was going to happen next. From that I went into more unpredicatable

chaos/chronic stress as an adult. It's as if my body became programmed to be in

fight or flight 24/7. This is not a normal state of affairs. I NEVER learned

or knew how to relax. I could be laying on the couch with absolutely no stress

around me yet my body remained in fight or flight. Then a very difficult

divorce, lots of fear, frustration, disappointment, worry and then a single mom

for 16 years, working in jobs I didn't want to be in, etc. etc. I believe

created the cycle of chronic stress and chronic fight or flight and burned my

adrenals out. Dr. 's book " Adrenal Fatigue " is truly an excellent

depiction of how and why this happens to people. I related a lot with it. At

one point in the book where he discusses " reframing " , he basically sums it up as

this...If you don't like a situation, you have three choices

1). Change it

2). Accept it totally

3). Leave it.

How many people really have the guts to do these things? I know I didn't. I

was too scared and stuck due to low self esteem and insecurity and low self

worth. For me, it was Fear, Fear, Fear

Why does hypo cause adrenal fatigue?

I am interested in the why's of this subject. As a victim of adrenal

fatigue, I would like to know the reason for it if anyone here knows.

Thanks everyone!

Ann s

www.janesjewel.com

[Guest guest]

>

If you don't like a situation, you have three choices

>

> 1). Change it

> 2). Accept it totally

> 3). Leave it.

>

> How many people really have the guts to do these things? I know I

didn't. I was too scared and stuck due to low self esteem and

insecurity and low self worth. For me, it was Fear, Fear, Fear

>

I think this is why Mickel Therapy works for people in situations

like yours. That program forced you to confront your life situation

and either change it, accept it or leave it. I would expect the old

80/20 rule applies here and that 80% of the people with adrenal

fatigue were in BAD life situations that they didn't know how to deal

with. My husband was being chased around the office by a paranoid

schizophrenic at work and we thought for sure there'd be another

office shooting/massacre in the news anyday for awhile. But we

needed his income, so how could he leave? Luckily, the change came

when they transferred the psychotic to another office, and then

finally put him on permanent leave. But hubby's adrenals certainly

took a beating.

I also think some people learn to stand up more for themselves as

they get older, so become less inclined to put up with mistreatment.

But others, due to religious and cultural upbringing, don't, because

they see it as impolite. I was naive and meek in my younger years,

but not anymore. Everyone needs to realize they have the right to

say no " just because, " even to little stressors like one too many

invitations to Christmas parties.

Barb

[Guest guest]

,

This describes my life exactly. Now, I catch myself always worrying,

always fearful about all the worst case scenarios in every situation.

I can honestly see why people do drugs or drink. I don't do either,

but there are times when I'd give anything to numb my brain so I don't

worry, don't care.

>

> I tend to disagree. I know in many cases that adrenals need to work

harder when undiagnosed or undertreated hypoT is going on, but I also

believe that chronic stress can burn out the adrenals. I believe now

that I was set up for this starting in childhood. I lived in a very

chaotic environment where I never knew what was going to happen next.

From that I went into more unpredicatable chaos/chronic stress as an

adult. It's as if my body became programmed to be in fight or flight

24/7. This is not a normal state of affairs. I NEVER learned or knew

how to relax. I could be laying on the couch with absolutely no

stress around me yet my body remained in fight or flight. Then a very

difficult divorce, lots of fear, frustration, disappointment, worry

and then a single mom for 16 years, working in jobs I didn't want to

be in, etc. etc. I believe created the cycle of chronic stress and

chronic fight or flight and burned my adrenals out. Dr. 's book

" Adrenal Fatigue " is truly an excellent depiction of how and why this

happens to people. I related a lot with it. At one point in the book

where he discusses " reframing " , he basically sums it up as this...If

you don't like a situation, you have three choices

>

> 1). Change it

> 2). Accept it totally

> 3). Leave it.

>

> How many people really have the guts to do these things? I know I

didn't. I was too scared and stuck due to low self esteem and

insecurity and low self worth. For me, it was Fear, Fear, Fear

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/29/2007 6:13:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

skg59@... writes:

if I hadn't had the resources that I did to find out and get on HC, I would

probably have committed myself as well and been labeled " nervous breakdown " .

ditto here....I thought I was going crazy!

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[Guest guest]

I came from an abusive household as a child and have been dealing with a lot

of stress in my home as an adult as well. I wonder if it is stress or hypo

that causes adrenal fatigue. Maybe a little of both?

Ann s

www.janesjewel.com

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I tend to disagree. I know in many cases that adrenals need to

work

> harder when undiagnosed or undertreated hypoT is going on, but I

also

> believe that chronic stress can burn out the adrenals. I believe

now

> that I was set up for this starting in childhood. I lived in a very

> chaotic environment where I never knew what was going to happen

next.

> From that I went into more unpredicatable chaos/chronic stress as

an

> adult. It's as if my body became programmed to be in fight or

flight

> 24/7. This is not a normal state of affairs. I NEVER learned or

knew

> how to relax. I could be laying on the couch with absolutely no

> stress around me yet my body remained in fight or flight. Then a

very

> difficult divorce, lots of fear, frustration, disappointment, worry

> and then a single mom for 16 years, working in jobs I didn't want to

> be in, etc. etc. I believe created the cycle of chronic stress and

> chronic fight or flight and burned my adrenals out. Dr. 's

book

> " Adrenal Fatigue " is truly an excellent depiction of how and why

this

> happens to people. I related a lot with it. At one point in the

book

> where he discusses " reframing " , he basically sums it up as this...If

> you don't like a situation, you have three choices

> >

> > 1). Change it

> > 2). Accept it totally

> > 3). Leave it.

> >

> > How many people really have the guts to do these things? I know I

> didn't. I was too scared and stuck due to low self esteem and

> insecurity and low self worth. For me, it was Fear, Fear, Fear

> >

> >

> >

>

same here bad childhood the worry,fear ect still is with me im

actually going to try some classes to deal with it.

[Guest guest]

I think people have ALWAYS had stress in their lives! I knwo some have

more than others but what I see thta is different now is the toxic load.

Think about families that founded the USA. Indian attacks, maurading

villains and traveling by covered wagon across the US? Sure that canlt

be a stress free way to have lived, or raised their children, but they

did not have the adrneal problems that we have. BUT they had clean,

unchlorinated, unfluoridated water to drink; foods that were not chock

full of pesticided and hormones and healthy sunshine and air. All things

we do nto have. I had no stress as a child, NONE, I created my own

stresses when I reached puberty and then had more than my share, but I

can't blame my health on the stresses. I inherited SOME of my health

problems, btu no one I know in my family had adrenal problems. Some died

rather young and from suicides, two in my immediate family that I am

certain were hypothyroid. And back two generations there was some

Diabetes. Type 1. That may have been from cortiosl problems but I will

never know as they are long gone great aunts that I barely remember.

--

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[Guest guest]

>

> I think people have ALWAYS had stress in their lives! I knwo some

have

> more than others but what I see thta is different now is the toxic

load.

> Think about families that founded the USA. Indian attacks,

maurading

> villains and traveling by covered wagon across the US? Sure that

canlt

> be a stress free way to have lived, or raised their children, but

they

> did not have the adrneal problems that we have. BUT they had clean,

> unchlorinated, unfluoridated water to drink; foods that were not

chock

> full of pesticided and hormones and healthy sunshine and air. All

things

> we do nto have. I had no stress as a child, NONE, I created my own

> stresses when I reached puberty and then had more than my share,

but I

> can't blame my health on the stresses. I inherited SOME of my

health

> problems, btu no one I know in my family had adrenal problems. Some

died

> rather young and from suicides, two in my immediate family that I

am

> certain were hypothyroid. And back two generations there was some

> Diabetes. Type 1. That may have been from cortiosl problems but I

will

> never know as they are long gone great aunts that I barely remember.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

Compared to our parents and grandparents, the world today just seems

to move at a pace that is so fast and furious. To me, that is what is

so different in today's world. There's no such thing as simple life

and relaxing, having time to catch your breath, sitting and watching

the clouds go by. It's all go go go and worry worry worry. Families

have less quality time and the burdens of life are tremendous. I wish

there was some way of knowing for sure, but I would bet that these

conditions are all recent, going back only a few decades. And like

pointed out, we are also being bombarded with a poorer and

poorer environment (bad food, bad water, bad air, etc.). And THEN,

there is the kicker that you may have been unlucky enough to inherit

the lousy genes that predisposed you for this. I know I did. My mom

and her mom are and were both hypothyroid (and probably with

Hashimoto's like me), my dad has all of the adrenal issues, my mom,

dad, me and my sister all have high bp starting at a young age, and

my sister and I both have high pulse rates (all probably caused by

hormonal imbalances undetected) and my first cousin has a pituitary

tumor and on and on. It's a wonder how we can all manage all of this!

I've heard yoga helps and even stimulates the distribution of HGH. I

just may have to try it..... ( :

~a

[Guest guest]

I don't think I can bear to look..............

Mo

[Guest guest]

Yes, and this is a lot of the stuff that Dr. explains in his book adrenal

fatigue which is why he calls it the twentieth century syndrome. Granted, back

in the old days it was called " neurasthenia " and it was a form of adrenal

burnout. It's been around for a long time but called different things. All of

modern day living has caused this to be even more rampant and it's become worse

with the toxic overload. We were not meant to be in the fight or flight

response 24/7 either. e.g. you get up and have to hurry to get to work on time.

You hit traffic and worry about your boss being pissed off cause you're gonna be

late; you don't have time to eat properly; now you've got to run and get the

kids and again delayed and stress response kicks in that they'll be waiting

outside alone, etc. the bills, the husband, the unrelenting chronic state of

alarm. All of it contributes. Modern day society I don't think was meant for

the way the human body is designed. I think we've gone beyond our abilities to

cope with all of today's stresses and are all burning out our adrenals.

Re: Re: Why does hypo cause adrenal fatigue?

I think people have ALWAYS had stress in their lives! I knwo some have

more than others but what I see thta is different now is the toxic load.

Think about families that founded the USA. Indian attacks, maurading

villains and traveling by covered wagon across the US? Sure that canlt

be a stress free way to have lived, or raised their children, but they

did not have the adrneal problems that we have. BUT they had clean,

unchlorinated, unfluoridated water to drink; foods that were not chock

full of pesticided and hormones and healthy sunshine and air. All things

we do nto have. I had no stress as a child, NONE, I created my own

stresses when I reached puberty and then had more than my share, but I

can't blame my health on the stresses. I inherited SOME of my health

problems, btu no one I know in my family had adrenal problems. Some died

rather young and from suicides, two in my immediate family that I am

certain were hypothyroid. And back two generations there was some

Diabetes. Type 1. That may have been from cortiosl problems but I will

never know as they are long gone great aunts that I barely remember.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Well this makes sense because my mother was a " hysteric " and basketcase.

Re: Why does hypo cause adrenal fatigue?

At 08:20 AM 11/29/2007, Gikas wrote:

>

>I tend to disagree. I know in many cases that adrenals need to work harder

when undiagnosed or undertreated hypoT is going on, but I also believe that

chronic stress can burn out the adrenals. I believe now that I was set up for

this starting in childhood. [...]

Fetal Hypoadrenia (Congenital Hypoadrenocorticism):

Mothers Under Stress Steal Hormones From Their Fetus

(10:20)

The Adrenal Glands

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

--- excerpt:

" Pregnancy is quite a stressor for many women. A common

occurrence, however, is the woman who, upon reaching her third

trimester of pregnancy, says that she all of a sudden " feels

better than I have felt in years. " This is often the case

when the first two trimesters were particularly difficult.

The fetus's adrenal glands mature to the point of being able

to produce hormones at about the beginning of the third

trimester. If the mother is in the exhaustion stage of the

GAS, it is not uncommon for the baby's adrenals to try to make

enough adrenal hormones for both the baby and the mother. The

mother feels great. The baby's adrenals are really supporting

the mother's adrenals. But the baby's adrenal glands are being

stressed before it is even born! The results are doubly

negative. The baby is born in a state of adrenal depletion and

often exhibits symptoms of hypoadrenia. These symptoms may be

varied, but two of the more common symptoms are allergies and

recurrent infections. During chronic stress states, the thymus

and other lymphatic structures atrophy, lowering the

capabilities of the body's immune mechanisms.

Likewise, with the support of the baby's adrenals pulled out

from under her, the mother is dropped back into a state of

adrenal exhaustion. This accounts for the common occurrence

of " post partum blues " or even psychosis. Quite frequently,

both mother and child must be treated for hypoadrenia. "

The Hypoadrenocortical State and Its Management

W. Tintera, M.D. -- New York State Journal Of Medicine,

Vol. 55, No. 13, July 1, 1955

http://www.fred.net/slowup/tint01.html

--- excerpt:

Congenital Hypoadrenocorticism -- This type is encountered in

the infant whose mother is deficient in adrenal cortical

secretion. During pregnancy the adrenal of the growing fetus

and placenta apparently supplement the mother with the

necessary adrenal hormones. It may be presumed that the fetal

adrenals can be thus depleted. Infants manifesting such adrenal

insufficiency often die neonatally: " pyloric stenosis " has been

so ascribed. Others may manifest hypoadrenocorticism only as

they grow older with the deficient gland inadequate to ordinary

stress [...]

---

[Guest guest]

Yes, and Mickel therapy teaches you about " headmind " which are conditioned

beliefs and rules we feel we are supposed to be following and this is what gets

us into trouble. Here are a few:

I must be good

I must not rock the boat

I should not show anger

I must be a good parent

I must be loved

There are many more. The idea is that headmind gets in the way of what bodymind

(our truth) really feels and wants and headmind interrupts and blocks this. This

is when the body starts sending symptoms because at this point it's saying " you

had better do something " because you're not doing what I need you to do.

Re: Why does hypo cause adrenal fatigue?

>

If you don't like a situation, you have three choices

>

> 1). Change it

> 2). Accept it totally

> 3). Leave it.

>

> How many people really have the guts to do these things? I know I

didn't. I was too scared and stuck due to low self esteem and

insecurity and low self worth. For me, it was Fear, Fear, Fear

>

I think this is why Mickel Therapy works for people in situations

like yours. That program forced you to confront your life situation

and either change it, accept it or leave it. I would expect the old

80/20 rule applies here and that 80% of the people with adrenal

fatigue were in BAD life situations that they didn't know how to deal

with. My husband was being chased around the office by a paranoid

schizophrenic at work and we thought for sure there'd be another

office shooting/massacre in the news anyday for awhile. But we

needed his income, so how could he leave? Luckily, the change came

when they transferred the psychotic to another office, and then

finally put him on permanent leave. But hubby's adrenals certainly

took a beating.

I also think some people learn to stand up more for themselves as

they get older, so become less inclined to put up with mistreatment.

But others, due to religious and cultural upbringing, don't, because

they see it as impolite. I was naive and meek in my younger years,

but not anymore. Everyone needs to realize they have the right to

say no " just because, " even to little stressors like one too many

invitations to Christmas parties.

Barb

[Guest guest]

I think that what used to be called a " nervous breakdown " was likely

adrenal fatigue.

Gale

>

> I think people have ALWAYS had stress in their lives! I knwo some have

> more than others but what I see thta is different now is the toxic

load.

[Guest guest]

I would bet on that myself. Look at how many people are probably in psychiatric

wards (sadly) due to adrenal exhaustion and told they have psychiatric problems.

I was a total basketcase and if I hadn't had the resources that I did to find

out and get on HC, I would probably have committed myself as well and been

labeled " nervous breakdown " .

Re: Why does hypo cause adrenal fatigue?

I think that what used to be called a " nervous breakdown " was likely

adrenal fatigue.

Gale

>

> I think people have ALWAYS had stress in their lives! I knwo some have

> more than others but what I see thta is different now is the toxic

load.