Re: I need some help on saliva test: VAL

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Well as long as you are not feeling bad from it, and you do nto seem to

have the bad symptoms from high cortisl YET, I woul dnot treat it, but I

would see abiout getting an RT3 lab done to find ou tif that is why you

still feel tired. That low tissue level of T3 tells me you are still hypo.

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I forgot to mention Val, that I have been playing around with my meds

with my doc. I went from taking mainly Armour with some supplemental

t4 (approx 3 grains + 50+mcg of t4) to taking 200 mcg of t4 and 1

grain of Armour. According to serum, my t3 conversion looked good.

Actually, it almost looked like I could dump the Armour altogether and

just boost the t4, because that was the one that was lagging a bit. In

fact, according to my doc, he is in the middle of a study (to be

published) that shows how t4 to t3 conversion typically kicks in with

patients formerly on Armour who have switched back to t4. I decided to

try this crazy hypothesis, and although I am not perfect, I do feel

less jittery, anxious etc... than I was on the higher Armour dose, so

if those labs are mine, I am essentially converting almost entire on

my own.

> Do you have fluid retention? Highish BP?

>

> No fluid retention. I have a perfect BP (anywhere from 105/60

> -120/80). I am of average weight (135lbs). I do not have excess

> hairgrowth. I have pretty regular periods. In other words, they come

> anywhere from day 26-29, but I have never missed a period. My heart

> rate is good. Body temps are approx. 98.2-98.7 in the afternoon and I

> took mine orally this morning on day 3 of my period and it was 97.9

> orally before hopping out of bed. I do have some mild acne

> (essentially around the hairline), and my hair is thinning a bit at

> the " typical " receding line. I have had this issue off and on for

> several years. It's what made me fight to have my hormone and thyroid

> rechecked again (that is when I found out I was hypo with Hashi's). I

> don't know how those labs can be me. WHat do you think? Thanks!

>

>

> > , blood levels and saliva levels are looking at completely

> > different things. Your symptoms say these are correct. I think the

high

> > cortisol is blocking conversion of T4 to T3 which it DOES, and

that is

> > why your T3 is low. It means it is low in the tissues, but maybe

not in

> > the blood. Antibody testing is said to be nto too accurate in the

> > saliva, it is not a hormone and the saliva testing seem smuch better

> for

> > hormones than anyhting. Do you have fluid retention? Highish BP?

> >

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You see, I was shocked to see that I was hypo. I thought that I was

slightly hyper. My blood serum labs revealed that my T3 was at the top

of the range and t4 was a little behind (not bad, but could be just a

bit higher). This was when I had labs drawn on 200mcg of t4 and 30mg

of Armour. I was prescribed 60, but I told my doc that I was not about

to go hyper again like I did last year - A NIGHTMARE, so I was

gradually upping that Armour. ANyway, I started taking the full 60,

which would probably put my t3 over and my t4 where it needed to be,

so when I saw these crazy labs, I was stunned. Essentially it was

saying that the blood serum was completely the opposite. Hoe can that be?

>

> Well as long as you are not feeling bad from it, and you do nto seem to

> have the bad symptoms from high cortisl YET, I woul dnot treat it,

but I

> would see abiout getting an RT3 lab done to find ou tif that is why you

> still feel tired. That low tissue level of T3 tells me you are still

hypo.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

HUM! Good lord. I don't understand all that. Do you mean reverse t3?

How can I tell if that is my issue? I wonder if that is what happened

to me last year when I went hyper. WHat a nightmare. I felt so rotten,

and then when I dumped meds for a month to get the levels down, I went

into complete hypo hell and was a total wreck, gained 12 lbs in 2

months and couldn't get out of bed.

> Your doctor is making the same erroneous assumption that MOST of them

> make. That high Free T3 in the blood equals unhypo and feelign

better. I

> am willing to bet that high Free T3 in the blood is just due to it not

> being able to get to the cells from high RT3. How much money ya want to

> place on this bet? BWT i am not a gambler and people that know me well

> NEVER bet against me! LOL When you raise the T4 adn cortisol is

high, it

> simply converts it into RT3 and that blocks ANY T3 form getting to the

> cells. Sooner or later you start feelign toxic from it and temps start

> to drop as the T3 is not able to work.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val! I will do this and report back.

> I would ask for a Reverse T3 test. Thankfully there are labs for that

> and though the range means little, you need ot have a Free T3 drawn at

> the same time and compare the ratio. If the RT3 to T3 ratio is too high

> then it would be a good idea ot go on all T3 meds for a 8-12 week

period

> to clear out the RT3. Here is a good link ot read abotu it

>