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You can combine Medrol with HC and it is Methylprednisolone. I would

caution you to watch your glucose (get a glucose meter & check fastign

first thing in the AM) if going to this strong steroid that way you will

stay safe with it's use. There is no danger unless you take too much but

ths will tell you if that is the case.

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November 23, 2007

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> You can combine Medrol with HC and it is Methylprednisolone. I would

> caution you to watch your glucose (get a glucose meter & check

fastign

> first thing in the AM) if going to this strong steroid that way you

will

> stay safe with it's use. There is no danger unless you take too much

but

> ths will tell you if that is the case.

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Thanks Val.Think it's worth a try.

November 23, 2007

>

> You can combine Medrol with HC and it is Methylprednisolone. I would

> caution you to watch your glucose (get a glucose meter & check

fastign

> first thing in the AM) if going to this strong steroid that way you

will

> stay safe with it's use. There is no danger unless you take too much

but

> ths will tell you if that is the case.

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Thanks Val.Think it's worth a try.

November 23, 2007

>

> You can combine Medrol with HC and it is Methylprednisolone. I would

> caution you to watch your glucose (get a glucose meter & check

fastign

> first thing in the AM) if going to this strong steroid that way you

will

> stay safe with it's use. There is no danger unless you take too much

but

> ths will tell you if that is the case.

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Thanks Val.Think it's worth a try.

December 3, 2007

> >

> > You can combine Medrol with HC and it is Methylprednisolone. I

would

> > caution you to watch your glucose (get a glucose meter & check

> fastign

> > first thing in the AM) if going to this strong steroid that way

you

> will

> > stay safe with it's use. There is no danger unless you take too

much

> but

> > ths will tell you if that is the case.

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> Thanks Val.Think it's worth a try.

Hi Val. I received some medrol today.I've been dosing my hc as

follows:

7.00 am 12.5

10.30 am 10

2.00to 2.30 10

6.00 10

I took the bedtime dose out just to see how things were but I know

this is a bad rhythm.I've put some magnesium in at bedtime and since

then sleeping a bit better but still waking up quite frequently after

2.00-3.00 but can go back to sleep a bit easier but waking very early

and feeling not good first thing so I think it's time to try the

medrol at bedtime.

To start with could I do 12.5 10 10 7.5 and 0.5 medrol at bedtime

(taking out the equivalent of 2.5mg hc from my last dose).

I'm a bit scared of trying the medrol.I've been under some stress at

the moment which I'm trying to minimize but my adrenals are even

worse right now because of this so swapping my meds feels a bit scary

but I know that I need to take action as I've been on this high dose

of hc for a while and need to get my adrenals supported enough to

increase my thyroid.Is there any particular type of glucose meter I

should look for as I know you mentioned keeping an eye on this too?

Thanks.

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December 6, 2007

> > >

> > > You can combine Medrol with HC and it is Methylprednisolone. I

> would

> > > caution you to watch your glucose (get a glucose meter & check

> > fastign

> > > first thing in the AM) if going to this strong steroid that way

> you

> > will

> > > stay safe with it's use. There is no danger unless you take too

> much

> > but

> > > ths will tell you if that is the case.

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> > Thanks Val.Think it's worth a try.

>

> Hi Val. I received some medrol today.I've been dosing my hc as

> follows:

>

> 7.00 am 12.5

> 10.30 am 10

> 2.00to 2.30 10

> 6.00 10

>

> I took the bedtime dose out just to see how things were but I know

> this is a bad rhythm.I've put some magnesium in at bedtime and

since

> then sleeping a bit better but still waking up quite frequently

after

> 2.00-3.00 but can go back to sleep a bit easier but waking very

early

> and feeling not good first thing so I think it's time to try the

> medrol at bedtime.

>

> To start with could I do 12.5 10 10 7.5 and 0.5 medrol at bedtime

> (taking out the equivalent of 2.5mg hc from my last dose).

>

> I'm a bit scared of trying the medrol.I've been under some stress

at

> the moment which I'm trying to minimize but my adrenals are even

> worse right now because of this so swapping my meds feels a bit

scary

> but I know that I need to take action as I've been on this high

dose

> of hc for a while and need to get my adrenals supported enough to

> increase my thyroid.Is there any particular type of glucose meter

I

> should look for as I know you mentioned keeping an eye on this too?

> Thanks.

> >

>Hi Val, wondered whether you'd missed my last post.I know you've

been suffering with the cold and I apologise if you just haven't had

the chance to reply.Do you think trying the hc and medrol as

suggested sounds ok? Last night I did manage to sleep 10.00 to 4.00am

without it but this is rare and still woke up with anxiety and didn't

go back to sleep until I had drank some sea salt and eaten some

protein.Still felt bad first thing too.Don't think my adrenals feel

that well supported during the day right now and the slightest bit of

anxiety/anything out the ordinary and I feel stressed but could that

be the rhythm I have been doing? Thanks

December 6, 2007

I hate to see ANYONE onthe high dose of HC oyu are on . It worries me!

Do you check BP once in a while? Sitting to standing to see if oyu can

reduce thta dose? It could be HIGH cortiosl keeping you awake as well as

low. Yes the dising for the Medrol should be fine.

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> I hate to see ANYONE onthe high dose of HC oyu are on . It worries

me!

> Do you check BP once in a while? Sitting to standing to see if oyu

can

> reduce thta dose? It could be HIGH cortiosl keeping you awake as

well as

> low. Yes the dising for the Medrol should be fine.

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Hi Val,I'm a bit worried too but my blood pressure only got a bit

higher while on this dose and I did feel better emotionally-never

felt like the lower dose was supporting me enough and my blood

pressure never rose on standing .I have been monitoring my blood

pressure daily .The last 4 evenings it has been:

104/58 110/67 standing (111 is the highest its ever been since I have

been taking it)

96/58 100/55 standing

99/60 98/59 standing

99/55 101/59 standing

If I take it in the morning it is still not good and generally drops

(eg 96/60 82/65 standing) which is another reason I thought the

medrol might help as I do feel very low on cortisol when waking.Still

have problems with my appetite sometimes especially in the morning.I

know that it's recommended to swap to medrol if you need more than

30mg HC but I don't really understand why medrol is better at that

stage-can't medrol cause high cortisol too and suppress the adrenals

also?.Think I was only meant to really stay on this high dose until

my adrenals were strong enough to cope with a thyroid increase but

then the sleep problems kicked in.I feel a bit stuck at the moment

and don't know if I should swap to all medrol.I don't feel great

emotionally right now but I feel like I'm coping and I can't bear the

idea of feeling worse again.

December 6, 2007

Hun I am willing to bet you need Florinef. Badly. It is kin=d of hard to

get now as they have decided it must be tempo controlled so overseas

places do nto want to carry it any longer, but there are still some thta

do. Medrol works better by lasting longer. but you do nto dseem to have

problems woiht HC lastig long enough except your night time so I would

say take the Medorl at least an hour before oyu go to bed as it also

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December 6, 2007

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> Hun I am willing to bet you need Florinef. Badly. It is kin=d of

hard to

> get now as they have decided it must be tempo controlled so

overseas

> places do nto want to carry it any longer, but there are still some

thta

> do. Medrol works better by lasting longer. but you do nto dseem to

have

> problems woiht HC lastig long enough except your night time so I

would

> say take the Medorl at least an hour before oyu go to bed as it

also

> takes longer to start working.

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Thanks Val,I really do appreciate your help as it feels so lonely

soemtimes trying to sort this out. I do think I probably need

florinef also but I am scared of taking too many meds and then not

being able to get hold of them anymore-my gp would never prescribe

them to me.Do you need to be on florinef for life?

I will start with the bedtime medrol but as I often go to bed around

9.00 to 9.30 would it be ok to take it at 8.00 even though I don't

take my prev. dose of hc until 6.00 and does it have to be taken

with food like hc?

December 6, 2007

>>Do you need to be on florinef for life?<<

Now alwways as adrenals strengthen that may return to normal as well as

cortiosl.

>>I will start with the bedtime medrol but as I often go to bed around

9.00 to 9.30 would it be ok to take it at 8.00 even though I don't

take my prev. dose of hc until 6.00 and does it have to be taken

with food like hc?<<

Yes it is fine to take ti close to HC as it will nto be working as fast like HC

does adn yes it is best ot eat with it to..

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>

> >>Do you need to be on florinef for life?<<

>

> Now alwways as adrenals strengthen that may return to normal as

well as cortiosl.

>

> >>I will start with the bedtime medrol but as I often go to bed

around

> 9.00 to 9.30 would it be ok to take it at 8.00 even though I don't

> take my prev. dose of hc until 6.00 and does it have to be taken

> with food like hc?<<

>

> Yes it is fine to take ti close to HC as it will nto be working as

fast like HC does adn yes it is best ot eat with it to..

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December 8, 2007

> >

> > >>Do you need to be on florinef for life?<<

> >

> > Now alwways as adrenals strengthen that may return to normal as

> well as cortiosl.

> >

> > >>I will start with the bedtime medrol but as I often go to bed

> around

> > 9.00 to 9.30 would it be ok to take it at 8.00 even though I

don't

> > take my prev. dose of hc until 6.00 and does it have to be taken

> > with food like hc?<<

> >

> > Yes it is fine to take ti close to HC as it will nto be working

as

> fast like HC does adn yes it is best ot eat with it to..

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> >Thank you-will probably try adding the medrol tonight

>

Hi Val, well I've tried the medrol 0.5mg at bedtime.First night

difficult to tell as experienced some stress but was awake on and off

all night but felt better in the am.Tonight went to sleep really

quickly around 9.45 am but awoke at 1.00 am feeling wide awake and

I'm still awake 2 hours later despiting eating something and drinking

salt water (prior to this I was waking up and managing to go back to

sleep most of the time except for about 4.00 am onwards).It's a few

days before my period which affects my sleep anyway but is it worth

giving this any longer for my body to adjust or would it work

straight away if it was going to work? Wondering whether to go back

to what I was doing before until I can see my next move, persevere

with this for a few more days or try 1mg at bedtime instead although

I wonder whether this will make it worse.Thanks

December 9, 2007

It sounds as if it si too much but usually to really know whta Medrol is

doig takes a while.

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> It sounds as if it si too much but usually to really know whta Medrol

is

> doig takes a while.

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so, if I try it for another couple of days would that be longer enough

to see? Don't think I will be able to cope with sleeping like this for

more than another couple of days, particularly when I'm back at work

tomorrow.

December 9, 2007

If it is that much worse I would not. I am really not good wiht sdosing

Medrol. There seems ot be a greta conflict in how it works, time of

action etc. I have not got anything but 1 hour to 12 hours. That is so

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> If it is that much worse I would not. I am really not good wiht

sdosing

> Medrol. There seems ot be a greta conflict in how it works, time of

> action etc. I have not got anything but 1 hour to 12 hours. That is

so

> hard to work wiht.

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Thanks Val,I don't think I like the fact either that I'm not certain

when it will kick in or how it works.At least with HC it's possible to

know that, even though it doesn't last as long.

December 10, 2007

> >

> > If it is that much worse I would not. I am really not good wiht

> sdosing

> > Medrol. There seems ot be a greta conflict in how it works, time

of

> > action etc. I have not got anything but 1 hour to 12 hours. That

is

> so

> > hard to work wiht.

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> Thanks Val,I don't think I like the fact either that I'm not

certain

> when it will kick in or how it works.At least with HC it's possible

to

> know that, even though it doesn't last as long.

>

Hi Val, sorry to ask so many questions at the moment-I'm so

confused.I did take medrol for the last time last night in the end

but I'm stopping it today as I'm not convinced that my body can cope

with bedtime doses of hc or medrol at present so going back to what I

was doing for now (12.5 10 10 and 10)as I'm feeling too confused by

the medrol.I have decided though that I want to try florinef (did the

flashlight test this morning and still fail it) and my blood pressure

still struggles despite the high hc dose.I think it may only be the

generic I can get hold of (fludrocortisone-I think this is

generic).Would this be ok?

Would I also need to keep an eye on anything in particular while I am

taking it?I've been doing some reading about it and I know it's quite

a serious medication to be on but I do wonder whether it's the

missing piece.

December 10, 2007

Watch for fluid rentetion in your ankles and hands that would be a sign

it is too much for oyu. You must drink salted water with it for it to

work well.

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> Watch for fluid rentetion in your ankles and hands that would be a

sign

> it is too much for oyu. You must drink salted water with it for it to

> work well.

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Thank you, will go ahead and order some.

December 19, 2007

> >

> > Watch for fluid rentetion in your ankles and hands that would be

a

> sign

> > it is too much for oyu. You must drink salted water with it for

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> > work well.

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>

Hi Val, I need your help.Due to a relationship split a week ago I've

been under severe stress and my body isn't coping.I've got barely any

appetite, sometimes feeling nauseous and feel generally pretty unwell

and exhausted.I stress dosed on the day after it happened but due to

the high level of hc I am on I am reluctant to stress dose again.I am

off work for two more weeks and I am trying to rest as much as

possible and trying to eat when I can and trying to get as much

emotional support as possible to deal with the stress.My blood

pressure today was 94/56 91/64 standing and my temps today so far

97.3 (normally aroud 98.1).I don't know how to get my adrenals a bit

more stable as I really need them to be a bit better to help me

through this as they are making coping worse.

I received some fludrocortisone in the post yesterday as we prev.

discussed but don't know whether right now is the best time to try

this.I feel like I'm geting nowhere.

December 19, 2007

How much HC are you on and how are you dosing it?

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> How much HC are you on and how are you dosing it?

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on 12.5 7.00 am

10 10.30 am

10 2.00 pm

10 6.00 pm

I do want to reduce it once I'm taking the florinef and once I've been

able to increase the T3 but right now everything is up in the air.

December 19, 2007

>>12.5 7.00 am

10 10.30 am

10 2.00 pm

10 6.00 pm<<

Unless you have absorption problems your adrneals CANNOT produce ANY of theoir

own cortisol on this dose. CANNOT as there will be 0 ACTH. So first thing you

need ot do is find ou t if you are absorbing the HC properly. Do this with HC 1%

cream available in any pharmacy. Try replacing the last dose of the day with

1/8tsp cream. You do not take any at bedtime? I bet you are not sleeping at all!

You could also try breaking these doses up. SMALLER more often will sometimes

work better. You could try dosing like this first:

10mg 7AM

2.5mg 9AM

7.5mg 11AM

2.5mg 1PM IF YOU NEED IT

5mg 3PM

2.5mg 5PM

2.5mg 7PM IF YOU NEED IT

5mg bedtime

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