Re: What are my labs saying to me now

[Guest guest]

I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> Synthroid 125mcg

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

>

> Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> was 2.35. So there was some change.

> I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

>

> Here's my questions

> Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of whats

> going on?

>

> Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is very

> open to maybe trying 137mcg?

>

> I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid needing

a

> medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> Thanks

> Gwen

>

Welcome to the board.. understand Hashi's is an auto immune disorder

so being too hyper or too hypo can increase antibodies..and for some

reason they also just increase by themselves for what ever reason

they feel like..

It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

swings..

Based on symptoms though and labs you do have room for an increase

in your synthroid.

As a general rule hashimoto's should be treated with what they call

suppression therapy meaning your TSH needs to be lower than 1 in

order to keep the thyroid calm..

Although your last hyper swing could of been what they call

hashimotos thyroidtoxitis in which the thyroid goes for one last run

and dumps all the stored hormone.

A few questions??

What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

swinging hypo)?

What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Hi Gwen... sounds like your Hashi's decided to flare.. that's what had you zooming between hyper and hypo there.

The labs, at 8 weeks, are a valid test for seeing how your body is responding to that dose.

TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

Looking at your numbers, with the symptoms that you are listing..... With Hashi's, it's best to keep the TSH approaching zero, to reduce the likelihood of a Hashi's antibody flareup... So your TSH is way too high.

Free T4, for most folks to feel their best is mid range, Mid range for you would be 1.11, you're slightly under that... But the real 'tell' is your Free T3. You're not converting enough T4 (storage hormone) to T3, the active hormone that your body needs to function properly.. so, symptoms of hypo, your body doesn 't have enough hormone to function properly.

Increasing your dose will increase the T4, giving your body more hormone available to convert.. It would be a good idea to see what changes you can make in supplements and eating style to increase your body's conversion rate, to get the Free T3 level up...

We can go into more detail, I'll just hit you with the questions for now to see where you stand.

Are you taking your T4 on an empty stomach (four hours after a meal and one hour before) with plain water?

Are you keeping calcium and iron supplements away from your T4 dose, four hours before or after seems to be a good ball park?

Do you eat regularly, every 3 to 4 hours, never skipping meals?

Do you avoid unfermented soy and High Fructose Corn Syrup?

We'll start with that... and go from there...

Topper ()

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:06:39 -0000 "gwenbob39" writes:

Hi EveryoneI have been reading the group for quite sometime now.I have had Thyroid disease since 1988. I was diagnosed withHashimoto's and placed on Synthroid. It took about two years tobalance out. Through the years I had minor adjustments and for atleast 5 years I sat at a steady dose of 150mcg of Synthroid. I feltgreat. It was in the Fall of 2002 that things went haywire. I startedhaving anxiety attacks and my feet hurt like crazy. My numbers wentall over the place. My TSH would go up to 3 and back down to .59 intwo weeks time. Same went for my FT4. Up and Down and then my FT3level went up and down. Different doses were tried and I triedArmour. I also tried different brands still I bounced all over. MyAntibodies floated up to 3,500. Then one summer eve I ended up in theER with Chest pain and very high blood pressure. Yikes that wasscary. My Thyroid came back showing Hyper so they took me off allmeds. Well one week later my TSH went 108. Everything dropped like arock. I was pretty much bed ridden with exhaustion. My adrenal glandswere very tired too. I had a very awful time trying to get back onMeds. Synthroid was about all I could tolerate then. I finally madeit back to 100mcg but that was as far as I could go. My TSH was stillat 10 then.Fast forward to now 4 years later and 35 pounds heavier. I'm up to125mcg of Synthroid. I still am experiencing some stiffness and myhands and feet ache. Not to mention the hands get cold too. My neckdoes ache and feels very full. I still have the puffy hands and face.On Ocasion I get the leg cramps in my calfs. Today I feel like I hadforgot to take my meds for days. I'm very tired, so tired sometimes Icant sleep.I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.Synthroid 125mcgTSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg ofsynthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3was 2.35. So there was some change.I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it wasalways around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86Here's my questionsWas 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of whatsgoing on?Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is veryopen to maybe trying 137mcg?I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid needing amedication adjustment or should I look else where.ThanksGwen

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper ()

Thanks for your response.

I do take my Synthroid first thing in the morning around the same

time, on the empty stomach with a 8oz glass of water. I then wait

one hour before I eat some breakfast.

I eat Breakfast,lunch and Dinner.

I do take some supplements with lunch and that would be about 5 hours

from the Synthroid. I take b-50,b-12,CoQ10, some Ester C. AT dinner

time I do try and manage to take some Fish Oil. If I take some

Cal/mag its in the eve before I go to bed.

No soy in my diet or high fructose. I will admit that I'm eating too

many cookies. Though I have really been watching myself and there is

no more cookies to be had in the house.

You have pointed out something very interesting about the TSH needing

to be under 1. I felt my best when it was under 1 for all those

years. Its a shame I dont know what my Free Levels were. I was seeing

an Endo at that time and he only Ran TSH. Once in a while he would

run the T4 test which looks like it was always on the higher end of

the Range.

I never knew about the Free tests until I became ill and researched

for myself.

My FT3 seems to be in the pits. I dont know what to do with that. A

few years ago I did try adding Cytomel and it made me feel worse and

my heart rate would increase and I got dizzy. Then I got a Rash from

it. Could be from the way the pill is put together. Not sure. I do

know they started me at a very low dose cutting that dose into

1/4ths. My FT3 then shot up too way over range. Same happened when I

asked to try Armour. My FT3 shot up and my FT4 level dropped like a

rock. We too started low on the Armour increasing very slow. I did

rash up from that too. I'm sensitive to certain things. I cannot take

the drug Provera either. I was covered in Hives.

So that leaves me to find a way to help my body convert the Meds

better.

Good day to you

Gwen

>

> Hi Gwen... sounds like your Hashi's decided to flare.. that's what

had

> you zooming between hyper and hypo there.

>

> The labs, at 8 weeks, are a valid test for seeing how your body is

> responding to that dose.

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

> Looking at your numbers, with the symptoms that you are

listing..... With

> Hashi's, it's best to keep the TSH approaching zero, to reduce the

> likelihood of a Hashi's antibody flareup... So your TSH is way too

high.

> Free T4, for most folks to feel their best is mid range, Mid range

for

> you would be 1.11, you're slightly under that... But the

real 'tell' is

> your Free T3. You're not converting enough T4 (storage hormone) to

T3,

> the active hormone that your body needs to function properly.. so,

> symptoms of hypo, your body doesn 't have enough hormone to function

> properly.

>

> Increasing your dose will increase the T4, giving your body more

hormone

> available to convert.. It would be a good idea to see what changes

you

> can make in supplements and eating style to increase your body's

> conversion rate, to get the Free T3 level up...

>

> We can go into more detail, I'll just hit you with the questions

for now

> to see where you stand.

>

> Are you taking your T4 on an empty stomach (four hours after a meal

and

> one hour before) with plain water?

> Are you keeping calcium and iron supplements away from your T4

dose, four

> hours before or after seems to be a good ball park?

> Do you eat regularly, every 3 to 4 hours, never skipping meals?

> Do you avoid unfermented soy and High Fructose Corn Syrup?

>

> We'll start with that... and go from there...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:06:39 -0000 " gwenbob39 "

> writes:

> Hi Everyone

> I have been reading the group for quite sometime now.

> I have had Thyroid disease since 1988. I was diagnosed with

> Hashimoto's and placed on Synthroid. It took about two years to

> balance out. Through the years I had minor adjustments and for at

> least 5 years I sat at a steady dose of 150mcg of Synthroid. I felt

> great. It was in the Fall of 2002 that things went haywire. I

started

> having anxiety attacks and my feet hurt like crazy. My numbers went

> all over the place. My TSH would go up to 3 and back down to .59 in

> two weeks time. Same went for my FT4. Up and Down and then my FT3

> level went up and down. Different doses were tried and I tried

> Armour. I also tried different brands still I bounced all over. My

> Antibodies floated up to 3,500. Then one summer eve I ended up in

the

> ER with Chest pain and very high blood pressure. Yikes that was

> scary. My Thyroid came back showing Hyper so they took me off all

> meds. Well one week later my TSH went 108. Everything dropped like a

> rock. I was pretty much bed ridden with exhaustion. My adrenal

glands

> were very tired too. I had a very awful time trying to get back on

> Meds. Synthroid was about all I could tolerate then. I finally made

> it back to 100mcg but that was as far as I could go. My TSH was

still

> at 10 then.

>

>

> Fast forward to now 4 years later and 35 pounds heavier. I'm up to

> 125mcg of Synthroid. I still am experiencing some stiffness and my

> hands and feet ache. Not to mention the hands get cold too. My neck

> does ache and feels very full. I still have the puffy hands and

face.

> On Ocasion I get the leg cramps in my calfs. Today I feel like I had

> forgot to take my meds for days. I'm very tired, so tired sometimes

I

> cant sleep.

>

> I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> Synthroid 125mcg

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

>

> Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> was 2.35. So there was some change.

> I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

>

> Here's my questions

> Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of whats

> going on?

>

> Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is very

> open to maybe trying 137mcg?

>

> I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid needing a

> medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> Thanks

> Gwen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper ()

Thanks for your response.

I do take my Synthroid first thing in the morning around the same

time, on the empty stomach with a 8oz glass of water. I then wait

one hour before I eat some breakfast.

I eat Breakfast,lunch and Dinner.

I do take some supplements with lunch and that would be about 5 hours

from the Synthroid. I take b-50,b-12,CoQ10, some Ester C. AT dinner

time I do try and manage to take some Fish Oil. If I take some

Cal/mag its in the eve before I go to bed.

No soy in my diet or high fructose. I will admit that I'm eating too

many cookies. Though I have really been watching myself and there is

no more cookies to be had in the house.

You have pointed out something very interesting about the TSH needing

to be under 1. I felt my best when it was under 1 for all those

years. Its a shame I dont know what my Free Levels were. I was seeing

an Endo at that time and he only Ran TSH. Once in a while he would

run the T4 test which looks like it was always on the higher end of

the Range.

I never knew about the Free tests until I became ill and researched

for myself.

My FT3 seems to be in the pits. I dont know what to do with that. A

few years ago I did try adding Cytomel and it made me feel worse and

my heart rate would increase and I got dizzy. Then I got a Rash from

it. Could be from the way the pill is put together. Not sure. I do

know they started me at a very low dose cutting that dose into

1/4ths. My FT3 then shot up too way over range. Same happened when I

asked to try Armour. My FT3 shot up and my FT4 level dropped like a

rock. We too started low on the Armour increasing very slow. I did

rash up from that too. I'm sensitive to certain things. I cannot take

the drug Provera either. I was covered in Hives.

So that leaves me to find a way to help my body convert the Meds

better.

Good day to you

Gwen

>

> Hi Gwen... sounds like your Hashi's decided to flare.. that's what

had

> you zooming between hyper and hypo there.

>

> The labs, at 8 weeks, are a valid test for seeing how your body is

> responding to that dose.

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

> Looking at your numbers, with the symptoms that you are

listing..... With

> Hashi's, it's best to keep the TSH approaching zero, to reduce the

> likelihood of a Hashi's antibody flareup... So your TSH is way too

high.

> Free T4, for most folks to feel their best is mid range, Mid range

for

> you would be 1.11, you're slightly under that... But the

real 'tell' is

> your Free T3. You're not converting enough T4 (storage hormone) to

T3,

> the active hormone that your body needs to function properly.. so,

> symptoms of hypo, your body doesn 't have enough hormone to function

> properly.

>

> Increasing your dose will increase the T4, giving your body more

hormone

> available to convert.. It would be a good idea to see what changes

you

> can make in supplements and eating style to increase your body's

> conversion rate, to get the Free T3 level up...

>

> We can go into more detail, I'll just hit you with the questions

for now

> to see where you stand.

>

> Are you taking your T4 on an empty stomach (four hours after a meal

and

> one hour before) with plain water?

> Are you keeping calcium and iron supplements away from your T4

dose, four

> hours before or after seems to be a good ball park?

> Do you eat regularly, every 3 to 4 hours, never skipping meals?

> Do you avoid unfermented soy and High Fructose Corn Syrup?

>

> We'll start with that... and go from there...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:06:39 -0000 " gwenbob39 "

> writes:

> Hi Everyone

> I have been reading the group for quite sometime now.

> I have had Thyroid disease since 1988. I was diagnosed with

> Hashimoto's and placed on Synthroid. It took about two years to

> balance out. Through the years I had minor adjustments and for at

> least 5 years I sat at a steady dose of 150mcg of Synthroid. I felt

> great. It was in the Fall of 2002 that things went haywire. I

started

> having anxiety attacks and my feet hurt like crazy. My numbers went

> all over the place. My TSH would go up to 3 and back down to .59 in

> two weeks time. Same went for my FT4. Up and Down and then my FT3

> level went up and down. Different doses were tried and I tried

> Armour. I also tried different brands still I bounced all over. My

> Antibodies floated up to 3,500. Then one summer eve I ended up in

the

> ER with Chest pain and very high blood pressure. Yikes that was

> scary. My Thyroid came back showing Hyper so they took me off all

> meds. Well one week later my TSH went 108. Everything dropped like a

> rock. I was pretty much bed ridden with exhaustion. My adrenal

glands

> were very tired too. I had a very awful time trying to get back on

> Meds. Synthroid was about all I could tolerate then. I finally made

> it back to 100mcg but that was as far as I could go. My TSH was

still

> at 10 then.

>

>

> Fast forward to now 4 years later and 35 pounds heavier. I'm up to

> 125mcg of Synthroid. I still am experiencing some stiffness and my

> hands and feet ache. Not to mention the hands get cold too. My neck

> does ache and feels very full. I still have the puffy hands and

face.

> On Ocasion I get the leg cramps in my calfs. Today I feel like I had

> forgot to take my meds for days. I'm very tired, so tired sometimes

I

> cant sleep.

>

> I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> Synthroid 125mcg

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

>

> Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> was 2.35. So there was some change.

> I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

>

> Here's my questions

> Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of whats

> going on?

>

> Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is very

> open to maybe trying 137mcg?

>

> I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid needing a

> medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> Thanks

> Gwen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper ()

Thanks for your response.

I do take my Synthroid first thing in the morning around the same

time, on the empty stomach with a 8oz glass of water. I then wait

one hour before I eat some breakfast.

I eat Breakfast,lunch and Dinner.

I do take some supplements with lunch and that would be about 5 hours

from the Synthroid. I take b-50,b-12,CoQ10, some Ester C. AT dinner

time I do try and manage to take some Fish Oil. If I take some

Cal/mag its in the eve before I go to bed.

No soy in my diet or high fructose. I will admit that I'm eating too

many cookies. Though I have really been watching myself and there is

no more cookies to be had in the house.

You have pointed out something very interesting about the TSH needing

to be under 1. I felt my best when it was under 1 for all those

years. Its a shame I dont know what my Free Levels were. I was seeing

an Endo at that time and he only Ran TSH. Once in a while he would

run the T4 test which looks like it was always on the higher end of

the Range.

I never knew about the Free tests until I became ill and researched

for myself.

My FT3 seems to be in the pits. I dont know what to do with that. A

few years ago I did try adding Cytomel and it made me feel worse and

my heart rate would increase and I got dizzy. Then I got a Rash from

it. Could be from the way the pill is put together. Not sure. I do

know they started me at a very low dose cutting that dose into

1/4ths. My FT3 then shot up too way over range. Same happened when I

asked to try Armour. My FT3 shot up and my FT4 level dropped like a

rock. We too started low on the Armour increasing very slow. I did

rash up from that too. I'm sensitive to certain things. I cannot take

the drug Provera either. I was covered in Hives.

So that leaves me to find a way to help my body convert the Meds

better.

Good day to you

Gwen

>

> Hi Gwen... sounds like your Hashi's decided to flare.. that's what

had

> you zooming between hyper and hypo there.

>

> The labs, at 8 weeks, are a valid test for seeing how your body is

> responding to that dose.

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

> Looking at your numbers, with the symptoms that you are

listing..... With

> Hashi's, it's best to keep the TSH approaching zero, to reduce the

> likelihood of a Hashi's antibody flareup... So your TSH is way too

high.

> Free T4, for most folks to feel their best is mid range, Mid range

for

> you would be 1.11, you're slightly under that... But the

real 'tell' is

> your Free T3. You're not converting enough T4 (storage hormone) to

T3,

> the active hormone that your body needs to function properly.. so,

> symptoms of hypo, your body doesn 't have enough hormone to function

> properly.

>

> Increasing your dose will increase the T4, giving your body more

hormone

> available to convert.. It would be a good idea to see what changes

you

> can make in supplements and eating style to increase your body's

> conversion rate, to get the Free T3 level up...

>

> We can go into more detail, I'll just hit you with the questions

for now

> to see where you stand.

>

> Are you taking your T4 on an empty stomach (four hours after a meal

and

> one hour before) with plain water?

> Are you keeping calcium and iron supplements away from your T4

dose, four

> hours before or after seems to be a good ball park?

> Do you eat regularly, every 3 to 4 hours, never skipping meals?

> Do you avoid unfermented soy and High Fructose Corn Syrup?

>

> We'll start with that... and go from there...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:06:39 -0000 " gwenbob39 "

> writes:

> Hi Everyone

> I have been reading the group for quite sometime now.

> I have had Thyroid disease since 1988. I was diagnosed with

> Hashimoto's and placed on Synthroid. It took about two years to

> balance out. Through the years I had minor adjustments and for at

> least 5 years I sat at a steady dose of 150mcg of Synthroid. I felt

> great. It was in the Fall of 2002 that things went haywire. I

started

> having anxiety attacks and my feet hurt like crazy. My numbers went

> all over the place. My TSH would go up to 3 and back down to .59 in

> two weeks time. Same went for my FT4. Up and Down and then my FT3

> level went up and down. Different doses were tried and I tried

> Armour. I also tried different brands still I bounced all over. My

> Antibodies floated up to 3,500. Then one summer eve I ended up in

the

> ER with Chest pain and very high blood pressure. Yikes that was

> scary. My Thyroid came back showing Hyper so they took me off all

> meds. Well one week later my TSH went 108. Everything dropped like a

> rock. I was pretty much bed ridden with exhaustion. My adrenal

glands

> were very tired too. I had a very awful time trying to get back on

> Meds. Synthroid was about all I could tolerate then. I finally made

> it back to 100mcg but that was as far as I could go. My TSH was

still

> at 10 then.

>

>

> Fast forward to now 4 years later and 35 pounds heavier. I'm up to

> 125mcg of Synthroid. I still am experiencing some stiffness and my

> hands and feet ache. Not to mention the hands get cold too. My neck

> does ache and feels very full. I still have the puffy hands and

face.

> On Ocasion I get the leg cramps in my calfs. Today I feel like I had

> forgot to take my meds for days. I'm very tired, so tired sometimes

I

> cant sleep.

>

> I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> Synthroid 125mcg

>

> TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

>

>

> Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> was 2.35. So there was some change.

> I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

>

> Here's my questions

> Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of whats

> going on?

>

> Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is very

> open to maybe trying 137mcg?

>

> I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid needing a

> medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> Thanks

> Gwen

>

[Guest guest]

Learning to pace and take a short break is worth it though if it means that you can keep going through the day... so don't feel bad... if we push too hard and don't take a break we can end up pooping out before the day is through and not doing everything that we'd planned....

I'm getting better with breaking my day up between 'up and running around' chores and 'sit on your butt' chores....

Topper ()

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:38:19 -0000 "gwenbob39" writes:

Hi LynnThanks for the WelcomeI'm gratful to have found this group. I have found that I take each day as it comes and I put a smile on my face and I push through the day. I'm glad to be back on my feet and actually doing things I enjoyed. When I get tired I rest. Tough though because I was a go go person.Take CareGwen

[Guest guest]

Learning to pace and take a short break is worth it though if it means that you can keep going through the day... so don't feel bad... if we push too hard and don't take a break we can end up pooping out before the day is through and not doing everything that we'd planned....

I'm getting better with breaking my day up between 'up and running around' chores and 'sit on your butt' chores....

Topper ()

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:38:19 -0000 "gwenbob39" writes:

Hi LynnThanks for the WelcomeI'm gratful to have found this group. I have found that I take each day as it comes and I put a smile on my face and I push through the day. I'm glad to be back on my feet and actually doing things I enjoyed. When I get tired I rest. Tough though because I was a go go person.Take CareGwen

[Guest guest]

Hi Kats3boys

You Asked

A few questions??

> What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

> were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

> swinging hypo)?

> What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

When I asked to try Armour my TSH was 1.51 up from my usual which

always was under 1. It was anywhere from .35-.86. I felt good then.

Here is my blood test before Armour

I was taking .150 synthroid

TSH 1.51 Range 0.34-5.60

T4 8.9 Range 6.1-12.2

Total T3 1.03 Range 0.87-1.78

Yep they did not run the Free's

That test was run on 12/11/02

I was started on Armour I beleive at a 1/2 grain and moved up every

two weeks to achieve 1 1/2 grains. I felt worse then before. My neck

swelled and I was very Itchy. I was splitting the dose and takeing

half in the Morning and half later in the afternoon.

I had a blood draw 8 weeks later.

At this time I was taking 1 1/2 grains of Armour

TSH 1.91 Range 0.34-5.60

T4 6.9 Range 6.1-12.2

Total T3 1.95 Range 0.87-1.78

My pulse was up to 118 . I was urinating every 15 minutes and so

tired. Itchy like I had Poison Ivy. I got the runs too. So it was

decided that I go back to the Synthroid.

I'm so glad I did give it a try.

You Said

> It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

> thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

> swings..

I'm not too familiar with the Autoimmune antibody. I know I have

been tested.

Here is what was tested

Thyroid Peroxidase AB 269 Range <2

Thyroglobulin AB 3383 Range <2

Thyroglobulin <0.9 Range 3.5-56.0

Not sure if I was just tested for Hashi or what this all means. I see

on other blood work they did test for other autoimmune diseases and

it all came back negative. I believe it was an ANA. Sed rates were

done also. All showing just fine.

I dont take an other meds except for my Synthroid.

As for supplements I take only B-50, Methyl B-12 (1000mcg), CoQ10

(100mg)which I take at lunch well away from the med. At dinner I take

some fish oil. And at night if I feel I need to I take a Cal/Mag. On

ocassion now that i think about it I take some Ester C (500mg). My

doctor did a Spectracell test that tested your vitamin levels in your

blood. So I only take what is needed per that test. I eat no Soy and

take no Flax. I will admit that I have been on a cookie binge but

that has come to a hault. I made them myself but that still no excuse

for the Sugar. I was eating just a few a day but that was my only

sugar intake. I dont drink soda pop. We drink filtered water.

I just couldn't help myself LOL.

Again Thanks for you reply

Gwen

>

> I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> > Synthroid 125mcg

> >

> > TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> > FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> > FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

> >

> >

> > Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> > synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> > was 2.35. So there was some change.

> > I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> > always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

> >

> > Here's my questions

> > Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of

whats

> > going on?

> >

> > Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is

very

> > open to maybe trying 137mcg?

> >

> > I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid

needing

> a

> > medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> > Thanks

> > Gwen

> >

> Welcome to the board.. understand Hashi's is an auto immune

disorder

> so being too hyper or too hypo can increase antibodies..and for

some

> reason they also just increase by themselves for what ever reason

> they feel like..

> It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

> thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

> swings..

> Based on symptoms though and labs you do have room for an increase

> in your synthroid.

> As a general rule hashimoto's should be treated with what they call

> suppression therapy meaning your TSH needs to be lower than 1 in

> order to keep the thyroid calm..

> Although your last hyper swing could of been what they call

> hashimotos thyroidtoxitis in which the thyroid goes for one last

run

> and dumps all the stored hormone.

> A few questions??

> What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

> were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

> swinging hypo)?

> What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

>

> Kats3boys

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kats3boys

You Asked

A few questions??

> What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

> were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

> swinging hypo)?

> What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

When I asked to try Armour my TSH was 1.51 up from my usual which

always was under 1. It was anywhere from .35-.86. I felt good then.

Here is my blood test before Armour

I was taking .150 synthroid

TSH 1.51 Range 0.34-5.60

T4 8.9 Range 6.1-12.2

Total T3 1.03 Range 0.87-1.78

Yep they did not run the Free's

That test was run on 12/11/02

I was started on Armour I beleive at a 1/2 grain and moved up every

two weeks to achieve 1 1/2 grains. I felt worse then before. My neck

swelled and I was very Itchy. I was splitting the dose and takeing

half in the Morning and half later in the afternoon.

I had a blood draw 8 weeks later.

At this time I was taking 1 1/2 grains of Armour

TSH 1.91 Range 0.34-5.60

T4 6.9 Range 6.1-12.2

Total T3 1.95 Range 0.87-1.78

My pulse was up to 118 . I was urinating every 15 minutes and so

tired. Itchy like I had Poison Ivy. I got the runs too. So it was

decided that I go back to the Synthroid.

I'm so glad I did give it a try.

You Said

> It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

> thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

> swings..

I'm not too familiar with the Autoimmune antibody. I know I have

been tested.

Here is what was tested

Thyroid Peroxidase AB 269 Range <2

Thyroglobulin AB 3383 Range <2

Thyroglobulin <0.9 Range 3.5-56.0

Not sure if I was just tested for Hashi or what this all means. I see

on other blood work they did test for other autoimmune diseases and

it all came back negative. I believe it was an ANA. Sed rates were

done also. All showing just fine.

I dont take an other meds except for my Synthroid.

As for supplements I take only B-50, Methyl B-12 (1000mcg), CoQ10

(100mg)which I take at lunch well away from the med. At dinner I take

some fish oil. And at night if I feel I need to I take a Cal/Mag. On

ocassion now that i think about it I take some Ester C (500mg). My

doctor did a Spectracell test that tested your vitamin levels in your

blood. So I only take what is needed per that test. I eat no Soy and

take no Flax. I will admit that I have been on a cookie binge but

that has come to a hault. I made them myself but that still no excuse

for the Sugar. I was eating just a few a day but that was my only

sugar intake. I dont drink soda pop. We drink filtered water.

I just couldn't help myself LOL.

Again Thanks for you reply

Gwen

>

> I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> > Synthroid 125mcg

> >

> > TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> > FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> > FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

> >

> >

> > Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> > synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> > was 2.35. So there was some change.

> > I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> > always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

> >

> > Here's my questions

> > Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of

whats

> > going on?

> >

> > Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is

very

> > open to maybe trying 137mcg?

> >

> > I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid

needing

> a

> > medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> > Thanks

> > Gwen

> >

> Welcome to the board.. understand Hashi's is an auto immune

disorder

> so being too hyper or too hypo can increase antibodies..and for

some

> reason they also just increase by themselves for what ever reason

> they feel like..

> It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

> thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

> swings..

> Based on symptoms though and labs you do have room for an increase

> in your synthroid.

> As a general rule hashimoto's should be treated with what they call

> suppression therapy meaning your TSH needs to be lower than 1 in

> order to keep the thyroid calm..

> Although your last hyper swing could of been what they call

> hashimotos thyroidtoxitis in which the thyroid goes for one last

run

> and dumps all the stored hormone.

> A few questions??

> What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

> were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

> swinging hypo)?

> What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

>

> Kats3boys

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kats3boys

You Asked

A few questions??

> What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

> were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

> swinging hypo)?

> What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

When I asked to try Armour my TSH was 1.51 up from my usual which

always was under 1. It was anywhere from .35-.86. I felt good then.

Here is my blood test before Armour

I was taking .150 synthroid

TSH 1.51 Range 0.34-5.60

T4 8.9 Range 6.1-12.2

Total T3 1.03 Range 0.87-1.78

Yep they did not run the Free's

That test was run on 12/11/02

I was started on Armour I beleive at a 1/2 grain and moved up every

two weeks to achieve 1 1/2 grains. I felt worse then before. My neck

swelled and I was very Itchy. I was splitting the dose and takeing

half in the Morning and half later in the afternoon.

I had a blood draw 8 weeks later.

At this time I was taking 1 1/2 grains of Armour

TSH 1.91 Range 0.34-5.60

T4 6.9 Range 6.1-12.2

Total T3 1.95 Range 0.87-1.78

My pulse was up to 118 . I was urinating every 15 minutes and so

tired. Itchy like I had Poison Ivy. I got the runs too. So it was

decided that I go back to the Synthroid.

I'm so glad I did give it a try.

You Said

> It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

> thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

> swings..

I'm not too familiar with the Autoimmune antibody. I know I have

been tested.

Here is what was tested

Thyroid Peroxidase AB 269 Range <2

Thyroglobulin AB 3383 Range <2

Thyroglobulin <0.9 Range 3.5-56.0

Not sure if I was just tested for Hashi or what this all means. I see

on other blood work they did test for other autoimmune diseases and

it all came back negative. I believe it was an ANA. Sed rates were

done also. All showing just fine.

I dont take an other meds except for my Synthroid.

As for supplements I take only B-50, Methyl B-12 (1000mcg), CoQ10

(100mg)which I take at lunch well away from the med. At dinner I take

some fish oil. And at night if I feel I need to I take a Cal/Mag. On

ocassion now that i think about it I take some Ester C (500mg). My

doctor did a Spectracell test that tested your vitamin levels in your

blood. So I only take what is needed per that test. I eat no Soy and

take no Flax. I will admit that I have been on a cookie binge but

that has come to a hault. I made them myself but that still no excuse

for the Sugar. I was eating just a few a day but that was my only

sugar intake. I dont drink soda pop. We drink filtered water.

I just couldn't help myself LOL.

Again Thanks for you reply

Gwen

>

> I had my blood draw at 8 weeks of taking this dose.

> > Synthroid 125mcg

> >

> > TSH 1.27 Range 0.34-5.60

> > FT4 1.07 Range 0.58-1.64

> > FT3 2.88 Range 2.30-3.90

> >

> >

> > Prior to this lab they tested me after doing 10 weeks on 100mcg of

> > synthorid and my TSH came down to 2.88 and my FT4 was 1.00 and Ft3

> > was 2.35. So there was some change.

> > I know the years I felt good all they tested was my TSH and it was

> > always around 0.34 or 0.56 or 0.86

> >

> > Here's my questions

> > Was 8 weeks long enough on this dose to get a good reading of

whats

> > going on?

> >

> > Do I warrant a possible increase? Doc is not pushing it but is

very

> > open to maybe trying 137mcg?

> >

> > I would love to hear your thoughts? Is it still my Thyroid

needing

> a

> > medication adjustment or should I look else where.

> > Thanks

> > Gwen

> >

> Welcome to the board.. understand Hashi's is an auto immune

disorder

> so being too hyper or too hypo can increase antibodies..and for

some

> reason they also just increase by themselves for what ever reason

> they feel like..

> It could be possible too that you have more than 1 autoimmune

> thyroid antibody going on at the sametime and that casues the

> swings..

> Based on symptoms though and labs you do have room for an increase

> in your synthroid.

> As a general rule hashimoto's should be treated with what they call

> suppression therapy meaning your TSH needs to be lower than 1 in

> order to keep the thyroid calm..

> Although your last hyper swing could of been what they call

> hashimotos thyroidtoxitis in which the thyroid goes for one last

run

> and dumps all the stored hormone.

> A few questions??

> What were your labs pre Armour? Why did you switch to Armour? What

> were your labs post Armour( assuming you became stable before

> swinging hypo)?

> What other meds/supplements are you on and can you post dosing?

>

> Kats3boys

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper ()

You asked

Are you taking a

> multi-vitamin? If so, check to see what it's selenium content is

No I'm not taking a Multivitamin. My doc did a Spectracell test which

measured the levels of vitamins in your system. I guess my Selenium

level came back fine. But that does not mean that maybe I should try

and supplement it. I still even though we did that test feel as if I

should be taking a Multiple. I have searched around for a good Food

based Multiple but have not found one yet. The other issue is the

Iodine in the Multiple. Is it okay to take one that has Iodine in it?

Any brand suggestions to try? In your opinion do you think taking

Selenium in addition to a Multiple is more effective?

Thanks for pointing this one out to me.

My sleeping habits are horrible. I believe my Adrenals are tired. I

go in spurts. If I have been working hard then I'm really exhausted

and could fall asleep by 8. But I wake up like 4 hours later so tired

but can't sleep. I want to say lately I have been very vey tired but

we have been Spring Cleaning.

A majority of the time I get most of my energy after 6pm. I could

clean the house and run a marathon. But I also lay in bed and look at

the ceiling when I'm finally tired. I usually then only sleep like 6

hours. I seem to get up at the same time every morning. I have never

been a lay in bed kind of person even when I'm exhausted. So no

matter what I pop up out of bed. Like today. I feel like a walking

zombie. I took my meds but it still feels like I missed taking them

for a week. But last week I worked hard around the house and by

Saturday I was just spent. We had plans with some friends and I sent

my Husband by himself. I have not yet recovered. The weather does

play a role in this too. We are expecting Rain all week. I had my Sed

Rate done and its fine and they checked RA and that was fine too. The

neck aches nice today also so I just chalk it up to my Hashi not

being under control yet.

Is there something I can do naturally for my Adrenal glands? I do

take B-50 and B-12.

Gwen

> Looks like you've got all the basics covered..... Are you taking a

> multi-vitamin? If so, check to see what it's selenium content is....

>

> Selenium is mandatory for the conversion process.... increasing

that, if

> what you are taking now is too low, might tip you in the right

direction

> to get your conversion up....

>

> Selenium is a mineral... this might be review for you... but I add

it for

> those that might now know.... it's used during conversion attaching

to

> one of the iodine molecules that make up the T4 molecule and

pulling it

> away, to leave a T3. If you don't have enough selenium in your

system

> conversion can't take place, or is insufficient.

>

> 200 to 400 mcg per day is okay..... getting higher than 600 mcg per

day

> for more than two weeks starts building it to toxic levels, so you

want

> to be sure to get the extra that you need without getting too much.

>

> Your reaction to Cytomel and Armour.. the heart palps and such can

be a

> signal that your adrenals are fatigued... the extra direct T3 is

that bit

> of extra strain to your system. But you also mention that it

caused your

> T4 to drop and your T3 to shoot up? That tends to make me think

that you

> are a good converter if everything is right.... Has there been any

> change in your eating habits now compared to before you had the

Hashi

> flare?

>

> This could also be because of the flare and your body now shifting

and

> dealing with less gland function. You might have to do some

tweaking to

> get a balance again...

>

> My thoughts are that you might want to increase your T4 a bit and

then

> check into how much selenium you are getting and maybe tweak that up

> abit... Maybe break up your meals a bit so that you can eat more

> often.... maybe five or six times a day instead of three... then

test

> the TSH and frees again six weeks after you've done the adjustments

and

> see if it's got things moving in the right direction....

>

> Now... adrenals.... Many of us having adrenals that get pooped out

after

> dealing with months and years of less than optimal thyroid

levels... my

> first questions toward that is how you are sleeping..... When you

go to

> bed is it easy for you to fall asleep or hard? Once asleep are you

able

> to sleep through the night or do you wake and then having trouble

falling

> back to sleep? Are you ready to start your day when you get up in

the

> morning or wanting to go back to sleep?

>

> Topper ()

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper ()

You asked

Are you taking a

> multi-vitamin? If so, check to see what it's selenium content is

No I'm not taking a Multivitamin. My doc did a Spectracell test which

measured the levels of vitamins in your system. I guess my Selenium

level came back fine. But that does not mean that maybe I should try

and supplement it. I still even though we did that test feel as if I

should be taking a Multiple. I have searched around for a good Food

based Multiple but have not found one yet. The other issue is the

Iodine in the Multiple. Is it okay to take one that has Iodine in it?

Any brand suggestions to try? In your opinion do you think taking

Selenium in addition to a Multiple is more effective?

Thanks for pointing this one out to me.

My sleeping habits are horrible. I believe my Adrenals are tired. I

go in spurts. If I have been working hard then I'm really exhausted

and could fall asleep by 8. But I wake up like 4 hours later so tired

but can't sleep. I want to say lately I have been very vey tired but

we have been Spring Cleaning.

A majority of the time I get most of my energy after 6pm. I could

clean the house and run a marathon. But I also lay in bed and look at

the ceiling when I'm finally tired. I usually then only sleep like 6

hours. I seem to get up at the same time every morning. I have never

been a lay in bed kind of person even when I'm exhausted. So no

matter what I pop up out of bed. Like today. I feel like a walking

zombie. I took my meds but it still feels like I missed taking them

for a week. But last week I worked hard around the house and by

Saturday I was just spent. We had plans with some friends and I sent

my Husband by himself. I have not yet recovered. The weather does

play a role in this too. We are expecting Rain all week. I had my Sed

Rate done and its fine and they checked RA and that was fine too. The

neck aches nice today also so I just chalk it up to my Hashi not

being under control yet.

Is there something I can do naturally for my Adrenal glands? I do

take B-50 and B-12.

Gwen

> Looks like you've got all the basics covered..... Are you taking a

> multi-vitamin? If so, check to see what it's selenium content is....

>

> Selenium is mandatory for the conversion process.... increasing

that, if

> what you are taking now is too low, might tip you in the right

direction

> to get your conversion up....

>

> Selenium is a mineral... this might be review for you... but I add

it for

> those that might now know.... it's used during conversion attaching

to

> one of the iodine molecules that make up the T4 molecule and

pulling it

> away, to leave a T3. If you don't have enough selenium in your

system

> conversion can't take place, or is insufficient.

>

> 200 to 400 mcg per day is okay..... getting higher than 600 mcg per

day

> for more than two weeks starts building it to toxic levels, so you

want

> to be sure to get the extra that you need without getting too much.

>

> Your reaction to Cytomel and Armour.. the heart palps and such can

be a

> signal that your adrenals are fatigued... the extra direct T3 is

that bit

> of extra strain to your system. But you also mention that it

caused your

> T4 to drop and your T3 to shoot up? That tends to make me think

that you

> are a good converter if everything is right.... Has there been any

> change in your eating habits now compared to before you had the

Hashi

> flare?

>

> This could also be because of the flare and your body now shifting

and

> dealing with less gland function. You might have to do some

tweaking to

> get a balance again...

>

> My thoughts are that you might want to increase your T4 a bit and

then

> check into how much selenium you are getting and maybe tweak that up

> abit... Maybe break up your meals a bit so that you can eat more

> often.... maybe five or six times a day instead of three... then

test

> the TSH and frees again six weeks after you've done the adjustments

and

> see if it's got things moving in the right direction....

>

> Now... adrenals.... Many of us having adrenals that get pooped out

after

> dealing with months and years of less than optimal thyroid

levels... my

> first questions toward that is how you are sleeping..... When you

go to

> bed is it easy for you to fall asleep or hard? Once asleep are you

able

> to sleep through the night or do you wake and then having trouble

falling

> back to sleep? Are you ready to start your day when you get up in

the

> morning or wanting to go back to sleep?

>

> Topper ()

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper ()

You asked

Are you taking a

> multi-vitamin? If so, check to see what it's selenium content is

No I'm not taking a Multivitamin. My doc did a Spectracell test which

measured the levels of vitamins in your system. I guess my Selenium

level came back fine. But that does not mean that maybe I should try

and supplement it. I still even though we did that test feel as if I

should be taking a Multiple. I have searched around for a good Food

based Multiple but have not found one yet. The other issue is the

Iodine in the Multiple. Is it okay to take one that has Iodine in it?

Any brand suggestions to try? In your opinion do you think taking

Selenium in addition to a Multiple is more effective?

Thanks for pointing this one out to me.

My sleeping habits are horrible. I believe my Adrenals are tired. I

go in spurts. If I have been working hard then I'm really exhausted

and could fall asleep by 8. But I wake up like 4 hours later so tired

but can't sleep. I want to say lately I have been very vey tired but

we have been Spring Cleaning.

A majority of the time I get most of my energy after 6pm. I could

clean the house and run a marathon. But I also lay in bed and look at

the ceiling when I'm finally tired. I usually then only sleep like 6

hours. I seem to get up at the same time every morning. I have never

been a lay in bed kind of person even when I'm exhausted. So no

matter what I pop up out of bed. Like today. I feel like a walking

zombie. I took my meds but it still feels like I missed taking them

for a week. But last week I worked hard around the house and by

Saturday I was just spent. We had plans with some friends and I sent

my Husband by himself. I have not yet recovered. The weather does

play a role in this too. We are expecting Rain all week. I had my Sed

Rate done and its fine and they checked RA and that was fine too. The

neck aches nice today also so I just chalk it up to my Hashi not

being under control yet.

Is there something I can do naturally for my Adrenal glands? I do

take B-50 and B-12.

Gwen

> Looks like you've got all the basics covered..... Are you taking a

> multi-vitamin? If so, check to see what it's selenium content is....

>

> Selenium is mandatory for the conversion process.... increasing

that, if

> what you are taking now is too low, might tip you in the right

direction

> to get your conversion up....

>

> Selenium is a mineral... this might be review for you... but I add

it for

> those that might now know.... it's used during conversion attaching

to

> one of the iodine molecules that make up the T4 molecule and

pulling it

> away, to leave a T3. If you don't have enough selenium in your

system

> conversion can't take place, or is insufficient.

>

> 200 to 400 mcg per day is okay..... getting higher than 600 mcg per

day

> for more than two weeks starts building it to toxic levels, so you

want

> to be sure to get the extra that you need without getting too much.

>

> Your reaction to Cytomel and Armour.. the heart palps and such can

be a

> signal that your adrenals are fatigued... the extra direct T3 is

that bit

> of extra strain to your system. But you also mention that it

caused your

> T4 to drop and your T3 to shoot up? That tends to make me think

that you

> are a good converter if everything is right.... Has there been any

> change in your eating habits now compared to before you had the

Hashi

> flare?

>

> This could also be because of the flare and your body now shifting

and

> dealing with less gland function. You might have to do some

tweaking to

> get a balance again...

>

> My thoughts are that you might want to increase your T4 a bit and

then

> check into how much selenium you are getting and maybe tweak that up

> abit... Maybe break up your meals a bit so that you can eat more

> often.... maybe five or six times a day instead of three... then

test

> the TSH and frees again six weeks after you've done the adjustments

and

> see if it's got things moving in the right direction....

>

> Now... adrenals.... Many of us having adrenals that get pooped out

after

> dealing with months and years of less than optimal thyroid

levels... my

> first questions toward that is how you are sleeping..... When you

go to

> bed is it easy for you to fall asleep or hard? Once asleep are you

able

> to sleep through the night or do you wake and then having trouble

falling

> back to sleep? Are you ready to start your day when you get up in

the

> morning or wanting to go back to sleep?

>

> Topper ()

>

>