Re: Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

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IMO there's no such thing as a hypochondriac. There is however lots of ways

that mind can produce bodily symptoms but they are very real.

I am inclined to agree with you yet again . I will have to stop this

agreeing business

Sure there are many ways the mind can produce bodily symptoms, adrenal

fatigue is one of them I suppose, in the sense that the mind can RESPOND to

life

situations in such a way as to feel chronic stress which leads to cortisol

disruption etc.

It is surely how we respond that is significant in many but not all cases.

My hypothetical husband can be driving me nuts and if, in my mind, I decide

I am too scared to deal with his behaviour then I may show my anger in other

ways i.e. headaches, rashes etc.

Also, let us not forget that most of the time the hypocondriac is probably

just someone with a health complaint that the doctors cannot diagnose. LOT OF

IT ABOUT oops, there you see a prime example of my repressed anger finding its

way out LOL

Mo

[Guest guest]

This therapy has now cured almost 1000 people in the UK (many of whom were

bedridden with CFS and Fibro, along with things like depression and irritable

bowel

And so, physically speaking, the nature of the cure was what exactly ?

Adrenal related I would guess.

I am inclined to believe that symptoms are indeed our bodies trying to

communicate with us.

And getting in touch with our feelings and expressing them constructively as

you say, is vital because obviously it is not enough to just get in touch

with them if we then do not know what to do with them. Hitting the hypothetical

husband over the head with something hard is not a helpful next step to

getting connected to our emotions.

The way we parent our children, I am generalising of course, causes HUGE

stress to child and parent alike and affects health adversely.

How I wish that they taught all of this stuff to children at school

(communication skills and emotional intelligence) and to parents-to-be at

ante-natal

classes.

To my mind it would go a long way to preventing some of the adrenal stress

we are seeing more and more of in children in that parents could learn how to

treat their children with respect (hence less stress all round) and both

parties would learn how to have healthy communication on the emotional level

(again less stress) = healthier adrenals, happier family, happier societies.

Yes there is bad food and water and mercury and stuff but there is also

emotional toxicity which is rampant because we have not been taught how to 'be'

with our feelings or how to express them positively. And how to treat others

and ourselves with respect.

Mo

[Guest guest]

They explain in the book that it's a hypothalamus dysregulation that's

causing all the symptoms of fibro and CFS because it regulates all the symptoms

in

the body. The adrenal exhaustion symptoms are because the hypothalamus isn't

working that controls them.

Oh I remember this therapy now !!!!!!!

I got as far as ringing them up but I could not afford the sessions.

The the hypothalamus disregulation is cured by ??

Mo

[Guest guest]

connected to the symptoms that are not being acted on. It's complicated.

Please refer to the websites for a complete understanding

Ok , thanks.

I am very interested in this therapy and just forgot all about it because I

could not afford it.

Mo

[Guest guest]

Adrenal crisis is running out of CORTISOL. First symptoms would be

nausea and shaking, then throwing up, high temps as they body sumps out

adrenaline to try to compensate adn plummeting blood pressure. If BP

starts to drop GET to an ER adn tell them you are adrenal insufficient.

Stresses cause adrenal crashes whihc leave you exhausted for days after

but are not life threatening unless oyu have illness or another major

stress while already depleted.

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In a message dated 11/24/2007 4:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

NOVAexeter@... writes:

The way we parent our children, I am generalising of course, causes HUGE

stress to child and parent alike and affects health adversely.

How I wish that they taught all of this stuff to children at school

(communication skills and emotional intelligence) and to parents-to-be at

ante-natal

classes.

To my mind it would go a long way to preventing some of the adrenal stress

we are seeing more and more of in children in that parents could learn how

to

treat their children with respect (hence less stress all round) and both

parties would learn how to have healthy communication on the emotional level

(again less stress) = healthier adrenals, happier family, happier societies.

Yes there is bad food and water and mercury and stuff but there is also

emotional toxicity which is rampant because we have not been taught how to

'be'

with our feelings or how to express them positively. And how to treat others

and ourselves with respect.

Excellent post Mo. I have been personally reflecting on this the past week,

THanks for sharing!

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[Guest guest]

IMO there's no such thing as a hypochondriac. There is however lots of ways

that mind can produce bodily symptoms but they are very real.

Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

Val,

What are the first signs (physical of psychological) of adrenal

crisis (I assume this is near-total shutdown of natural ACTH

production), and how quickly can it develop? I'm now up to 20mg IC

(1.25gr Armour) and don't notice anything - I was at 17.5mg IC for

about a week, and didn't notice anything, but yesterday after the

" Bloomington-tree-lighting-fiascoc " (a mess of people, some speeches,

some singing with inadequate mic-ing, all in the freekin' 40 degree

weather! Not fun.) I felt I needed to stress dose (2.5mg, my usual

stress dose). So now I'm at 20mg IC (on the normal schedule at STTM

- 10/5/2.5/2.5 mg.) But I'm getting worried about suppressing ACTH

too much. My dad says I'm a hypochondriac (and I'm quite sure he'd

never believe that adrenal insufficiency even can exist). Although I

think some people are labeled hypochondriac but actually they simply

listen to their bodies a lot closer than most people, and won't put

up with " always not quite feeling optimal. "

Jim

[Guest guest]

I think many people are confused about what stress really is. What is stressful

to one person can be bliss to another. One good example would be that if you

told my beau he just won an all paid trip around the world, this would be the

most frightening, huge stressor to him as he is a homebody who hates to leave

home. To another it would be pure bliss.

Stress is all relative (like you said) to our response to the environment and

how we are dealing with it. When I did Mickel therapy to recover from CFS, I

realized ONLY then how I had dysregulated my hypothalmus by not paying attention

to my real emotions and by allowing my head to interrupt and block how I really

felt and what I really wanted to be doing. Before that I would have told

anybody that I had no stress in my life. I found that once I did this therapy I

started to " speak up " and I started to " say no " and I started to do what I

wanted and not what I felt I was supposed to be doing or what was the " right

thing " to do or what people might expect me to do. It was a very stressful

therapy to go through, but now I always pay attention and they teach you how to

be in constant contact with your emotions whenever your body sends you any type

of physical symptoms. So what you are supposed to do (in your case when you get

the headache or rash) is go to a quiet room and read your so-called " symptom

message "

" my symptoms are here to tell me to STOP running away from my feelings and to

start listening to them and respond accordingly now " . Then you are supposed to

immediately connect what emotion you are feeling at that moment when you got the

symptoms. Now you are supposed to act on that emotion. So if you are angry,

you must go and express the anger to the person with whom you are angry but in a

way they teach you which is " constructive " . If your emotion is fear, they teach

you how to act on that. If it's boredom, they teach you what action to take.

If it's anger toward ill treatment, then you must act on that. Their whole

premise is that " symptoms " are important messages from your body telling you

that some action MUST be taken so that you can get rid of the symptoms. This

therapy has now cured almost 1000 people in the UK (many of whom were bedridden

with CFS and Fibro, along with things like depression and irritable bowel

syndrome. Dr. Mickel, the founder actually HAD irritable bowel syndrome when he

was working as a trained MD and no longer felt right about what he was doing;

prescribing drugs causing side effects and not being able to really CURE any of

these problems. He then figured out what was causing CFS/Fibro and how it could

be cured. Doctors are all fine and good to say " stress causes disease " but they

don't know what to do about it. they just tell people to take it easy and relax

and reduce stress when the real problem is that this person isn't speaking up to

their husband or is afraid to speak their mind or is in a job that they are not

passionate about, etc. etc. etc. If anybody would like to apply all of this to

their own lives I highly suggest buying the book " Reverse Therapy " by Dr.

Eaton. Here you will learn about " bodymind " and " headmind " . Bodymind is our

truth and headmind is what screws everything up and causes disease.

Re: Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

IMO there's no such thing as a hypochondriac. There is however lots of ways

that mind can produce bodily symptoms but they are very real.

I am inclined to agree with you yet again . I will have to stop this

agreeing business

Sure there are many ways the mind can produce bodily symptoms, adrenal

fatigue is one of them I suppose, in the sense that the mind can RESPOND to

life

situations in such a way as to feel chronic stress which leads to cortisol

disruption etc.

It is surely how we respond that is significant in many but not all cases.

My hypothetical husband can be driving me nuts and if, in my mind, I decide

I am too scared to deal with his behaviour then I may show my anger in other

ways i.e. headaches, rashes etc.

Also, let us not forget that most of the time the hypocondriac is probably

just someone with a health complaint that the doctors cannot diagnose. LOT OF

IT ABOUT oops, there you see a prime example of my repressed anger finding its

way out LOL

Mo

[Guest guest]

, if this Mickel therapy cures Fibromyalgia which is Hypothyroid

and adrenal caused why so you still need HC?

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[Guest guest]

Val,

I was still very sick even when I was on HC. I told you this happened when I

was given thyroid hormone. Before that I my illness was causing the high

cortisol. I was still in bed even on HC in August of 2006 when I first

contacted one of these therapists. It was this therapy that cured my CFS, but I

believe that I also had concurrent adrenal problems.

Why are you so reluctant to believe that these two MD's are curing all these

people with fibro and CFS in the UK? Wouldn't you at least be curious about it?

These aren't quacks; they are MD's and they are curing bedridden people with

this therapy/plain and simple.

Re: Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

, if this Mickel therapy cures Fibromyalgia which is Hypothyroid

and adrenal caused why so you still need HC?

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[Guest guest]

Val,

I was still very sick even when I was on HC. I told you this happened when I

was given thyroid hormone. Before that I my illness was causing the high

cortisol. I was still in bed even on HC in August of 2006 when I first

contacted one of these therapists. It was this therapy that cured my CFS, but I

believe that I also had concurrent adrenal problems.

Why are you so reluctant to believe that these two MD's are curing all these

people with fibro and CFS in the UK? Wouldn't you at least be curious about it?

These aren't quacks; they are MD's and they are curing bedridden people with

this therapy/plain and simple.

Re: Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

, if this Mickel therapy cures Fibromyalgia which is Hypothyroid

and adrenal caused why so you still need HC?

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

They explain in the book that it's a hypothalamus dysregulation that's causing

all the symptoms of fibro and CFS because it regulates all the symptoms in the

body. The adrenal exhaustion symptoms are because the hypothalamus isn't

working that controls them.

Re: Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

This therapy has now cured almost 1000 people in the UK (many of whom were

bedridden with CFS and Fibro, along with things like depression and irritable

bowel

And so, physically speaking, the nature of the cure was what exactly ?

Adrenal related I would guess.

I am inclined to believe that symptoms are indeed our bodies trying to

communicate with us.

And getting in touch with our feelings and expressing them constructively as

you say, is vital because obviously it is not enough to just get in touch

with them if we then do not know what to do with them. Hitting the

hypothetical

husband over the head with something hard is not a helpful next step to

getting connected to our emotions.

The way we parent our children, I am generalising of course, causes HUGE

stress to child and parent alike and affects health adversely.

How I wish that they taught all of this stuff to children at school

(communication skills and emotional intelligence) and to parents-to-be at

ante-natal

classes.

To my mind it would go a long way to preventing some of the adrenal stress

we are seeing more and more of in children in that parents could learn how to

treat their children with respect (hence less stress all round) and both

parties would learn how to have healthy communication on the emotional level

(again less stress) = healthier adrenals, happier family, happier societies.

Yes there is bad food and water and mercury and stuff but there is also

emotional toxicity which is rampant because we have not been taught how to

'be'

with our feelings or how to express them positively. And how to treat others

and ourselves with respect.

Mo

[Guest guest]

It's cured by what I described in an earlier post. The therapist teaches the

patient about why their body has created these symptoms and what to do about

them by learning about " bodymind " and " headmind " and the emotions connected to

the symptoms that are not being acted on. It's complicated. Please refer to

the websites for a complete understanding

www.reversetherapy.com

www.mickeltherapy.com

Re: Val, FIRST signs of adrenal crisis?

They explain in the book that it's a hypothalamus dysregulation that's

causing all the symptoms of fibro and CFS because it regulates all the

symptoms in

the body. The adrenal exhaustion symptoms are because the hypothalamus isn't

working that controls them.

Oh I remember this therapy now !!!!!!!

I got as far as ringing them up but I could not afford the sessions.

The the hypothalamus disregulation is cured by ??

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

My dad says I'm a hypochondriac (and I'm quite sure he'd

> never believe that adrenal insufficiency even can exist).

>

> Jim>

>

Jim-another reason thyroid patients get the hypochondriac label is

because the thyroid affects every cell in the body and everything

begins to break down when the thyroid isn't up to par. When adrenal

issues are thrown into the mix, forgetaboutit! There will be a list of

symptoms that a handful of dr.s will interpret correctly.

The regular dr. is likely to give you supplements/drugs to treat your

symptoms, and they create new symptoms and by that time you're in a

mess, still suffering.

Tasia

[Guest guest]

I cannot agree. I believe the physical malfunctions/damage, etc produce

the mental/emotional symptoms. I KNOW this is true for me, as I have

personal experience of decades and decades of trying to balance things

the other way round. I've been through TM, EFT, a bit of yoga,

excercise, umpteen other mind things and none of it fixed a single

physical symptom. And recently my reading here and elsewhere on the

endocrine system has further proved to me all my past

emotional/mental/behavioral symptoms were produced by physical problems.

I think this is the big boulder mind first completely misses. Fix the

physical, really fix it, and the brain gets fixed with no thought or

effort whatsoever. Attempt to go at it by fixing the mind, and the

physical problems are still there. When the brain cannot physically work

correctly, no amount of meditation will enable it.Mind is an artifact of

the physical brain/body. The body is NOT an artifact of the mind.

just my personal experience,

sol

Gikas wrote:

> There is however lots of ways that mind can produce bodily symptoms but they

are very real.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Mind is an artifact of

the physical brain/body. The body is NOT an artifact of the mind.

just my personal experience,<<

I agree 100%. When I became ill at 19 years old, I had a brilliant future,

showing dogs, and riding horses, I was acrobatic and had been invited to dance

with NYC ballet. I had the world be the hooves! But my thyroid crashed at the

peak of my good health and spirits. No dramatic events happened preceeding ti,

nothing. Just living in California with the daily smog alerts.

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[Guest guest]

Excellent post Mo. I have been personally reflecting on this the past week,

THanks for sharing!

Hi HT!

Lovely to see ya!

It is true though isn't it Helen and so overlooked when we talk about

adrenal fatigue.

I could go further and say that the education system puts further stress on

children and teachers because of how that whole scene is organised. Certainly

in this country.

Classes too big (30 is usual), children of widely varying abilities being

'taught' in the same class i.e. children with learning difficulties along with

children of average ability and then the high IQers are in there as well. The

classes are all aimed at the middle range and those of either side are driven

is distraction (and adrenal fatigue???) with trying to learn at the rate

that is too fast for them or for the high IQers too slow. Those of either side

of the targeted group get bored, lose interest, feel inadequate, develop

behaviour problems, get labelled as disruptive and all the while the teachers

treat the children (again I am generalising wildly) with a lack of respect in

how

they treat them and speak to them. Shouting at children and being rude to

them is considered perfectly OK where I would see this as unnecessary and

disrespectful. And STRESSFUL. Eats away the the self-esteem of the kids, all of

this.

The teachers are going out of their mind trying to CONTROL the kids, kids

who very often have parents who treat them disrespectfully/do not have the

skills to talk to their kids heart to heart/are damaged themselves by all of

this

stuff.

The whole thing is a mess.

And then we throw in the bad food (served at school dinners here), the

crappy fizzy drinks, the mercury fillings etc. etc. and boy are we setting our

kids up for failure in every aspect.

Mo

Mo

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with both of these.

I had everything, marriage, great job, hobby of Rallying and Ran regularly

with my dogs, very stress reducing.

A road accident left me with physical problems that I never recovered from,

these eventually put me in the position I am in now.

I remember years ago when my problems first got bad a Dr telling me I was

suffering from stress, I neraly ripped his head of of course I was, in constant

pain and unable to sleep.

Now considering how bad I am, I am still a lot more easy going and stress free

than most of the people I know!

Caroline

wrote:

>>Mind is an artifact of

the physical brain/body. The body is NOT an artifact of the mind.

just my personal experience,<<

I agree 100%. When I became ill at 19 years old, I had a brilliant future,

showing dogs, and riding horses, I was acrobatic and had been invited to dance

with NYC ballet. I had the world be the hooves! But my thyroid crashed at the

peak of my good health and spirits. No dramatic events happened preceeding ti,

nothing. Just living in California with the daily smog alerts.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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