Re: new member - answers for /Topper

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Hi - my replies below:

I couldn't find a post with your labs, but you had this in one from a few days ago:

" I will give this med time – I have having no bad affects from it as I have read on another board about racy heart, agitation, etc. and I agree that if I do go to armour it will be a smooth transition.

Where does your doctor keep your numbers? Mine were “ok” before but my TSH went out of range last month and my T3F has always just squeaked by that minimum range... "

So what I'm wondering now is what was being considered as " ok " before?

It makes a HUGE difference where your levels are within their ranges. Things need to be 'fine tuned' for lack of a better term... Just being in range isn't good enough.

Ok here are my latest labs from 2/11/2006:

T4Free: 1.5 range .8 to 1.8

T3 Free 240 range: 230 to 420

TSH: 7.37 range .4-5.50

I think I am ok with T4? But the T3 was low end thus the doc added the Cytomel... The TSH --- we dunno why that went whacko.. In 11/2005 it was 2.1 and on its way down from 2.4 cuz she upped me from 88 mcg to 100 mcg 2 months before and then retested in November.

You mention that your Free T3 has been a the bottom? How about Free T4?

Here come the questions?

Is your dose high enough at 100 mcg to bring your T4 up high enough to give your body the 'raw material' that it needs to make the T3 that your body needs?

Is your dose too low and/or is your body unable to process synthetic and/or are you a poor converter and/or is your caloric intake to low .... or a combo of the above?

In one of your posts you mention that you are taking in about 1200 a day.. .that's not enough for an adult unless you are extremely petite (at ideal weight) and if you are that small a person you will need to take supplements to make up for the lack of nutrients in what you eat (no... don't scream, please... I'll explain)

If you are hypo it's easy to gain weight and hard to lose, for most of us.... BUT if you cut back the calories in an effort to not gain you are reducing your nutrient intake and could force your metabolic rate to stay low... It's possible to diet yourself fat, especially if you are hypo. We can get into that more later, if you want... I know...i am at a loss as to what to do...!

So, your last labs... do you know what they were? Can you post them, with ranges, and when they were taken, and your dosage before and after that set of labs....

Unless you weight in the vicinity of about 100 pounds... NOT even close---- 168 and 5 ft 4 inches! Used to be 135 about 4 years ago...been doing 10 lbs up a year til last year almost 20...!

I'm suspecting that your dose of T4 is too low... not even getting into whether your body is processing the T4 and storing it or converting to T3....

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it always seems weight and fatigue are the two 'alarms'... here's a question for everyone... what was your alarm??

Re: new member - answers for /Topper

Hi Topper,I had taken my Levoxyl that morning about 3 hours before blood was drawn.As far as supplements I JUST started last week with b vitamins, omega fish oil, and anti-oxidants.I am avoiding soy and the high fructose.I do not use artificial sweetner at all and use 1 teasp. Sugar a day in one cup of coffee each morning and that’s it.I have not had my iron, ferritin and b-12 checked... My primary just notified us they won’t take Aetna any longer so I am “doctor shopping” this week for a new primary and will get the full gamut of bloodwork once I do — are those the tests I should ask for when they do a cbc, etc. ?My T4 on previous labwork was about the same with or without having taking my T4 and my T3 has always been in that low range...I wonder why I don’t feel crappy? I am 48. I work on the computer all day — I am a book designer and typesetter, have two kids – 17 and 12, a hubby and run myself into the ground most days. Overall I am very content and happy but just have these really “down” days where I am not emotionally down but physcially feel like it’s impossible to do more than drive my daughter to and from school and other days I go from 7 am to 10 pm without tiring.I do eat dairy/protein and carb/fiber with each meal or in between as snack. A typical day for me is yogurt, fruit and cereal; tuna or lean turkey sandwich with cheese and v-8 juice; snack of apple or yogurt; dinner is fish, chicken, or pasta with veggies and non fat milk and then one more little snack about 7 pm. .. I have been figuring my crashes are hormonally related/induced — never really took much interest in my Thyroid problem until the weight started piling on. I can’t figure out what the heck I am doing wrong! Sue

Hmmmm Did you take your dose of thyroid before your blood was drawn that morning?? How long before?? It just hit me.. if you dosed that morning, that high T4 could be a reading of what you took and not what has built..... The Free T3 is way too low.. the TSH is probably the body reacting to the fact that it doesn't have enough hormone (T3 is the active hormone that is used for most body processes) to function properly. You conversion isn't very good.... Lets run through that... What supplements are you taking? Vitamins, minerals and herbs Are you avoiding soy and high fructose corn syrup.... do you know about the other goitrogens? Are you eating every three hours or so.. never skipping meals... always having breakfast? Do you balance protein/carb/fiber with each meal? Have they checked iron, ferritin and B-12 levels?? So you use artificial sweeteners? I'm just letting stuff fall out of my brain... now it's your turn... lets volley things around a bit and see what gets noticed. Topper ()On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:03 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Hi - my replies below:

I couldn't find a post with your labs, but you had this in one from a few days ago:"I will give this med time – I have having no bad affects from it as I have read on another board about racy heart, agitation, etc. and I agree that if I do go to armour it will be a smooth transition.Where does your doctor keep your numbers? Mine were “ok” before but my TSH went out of range last month and my T3F has always just squeaked by that minimum range..."So what I'm wondering now is what was being considered as "ok" before? It makes a HUGE difference where your levels are within their ranges. Things need to be 'fine tuned' for lack of a better term... Just being in range isn't good enough.Ok here are my latest labs from 2/11/2006:T4Free: 1.5 range .8 to 1.8T3 Free 240 range: 230 to 420TSH: 7.37 range .4-5.50I think I am ok with T4? But the T3 was low end thus the doc added the Cytomel... The TSH --- we dunno why that went whacko.. In 11/2005 it was 2.1 and on its way down from 2.4 cuz she upped me from 88 mcg to 100 mcg 2 months before and then retested in November.

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Our bodies can compensate for levels that are off for a long time before the 'little things' collect into a big enough pile to be noticed... For many of us it can be the adrenals that kick in to cover for low thyroid hormone...

I don't want to be a poop..... but since your levels are off, and it may be that those levels are 'right for you' I'd still suggest keeping a close eye on things and making sure that nothing sneaks up on you....

If you're gonna be going to a new doc and running labs... make sure that you add the ferritin, iron and B-12 in there... and make sure that they check your frees and antibodies... and don't take your meds that day until after they've drawn the blood...

Start looking close at the good and the bad days and what you were doing for the 72 hours before each noticeably good or bad day....

I'm wondering if the is a cause result pattern... changes in activity pattern, sleep pattern, stress, food, what you are, or are not, drinking.. stuff like that...

Just out of curiosity... check the yogurt label for soy... I've been finding sour cream brands that are soy products with no diary in them at all.

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:50:31 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Hi Topper,I had taken my Levoxyl that morning about 3 hours before blood was drawn.As far as supplements I JUST started last week with b vitamins, omega fish oil, and anti-oxidants.I am avoiding soy and the high fructose.I do not use artificial sweetner at all and use 1 teasp. Sugar a day in one cup of coffee each morning and that’s it.I have not had my iron, ferritin and b-12 checked... My primary just notified us they won’t take Aetna any longer so I am “doctor shopping” this week for a new primary and will get the full gamut of bloodwork once I do — are those the tests I should ask for when they do a cbc, etc. ?My T4 on previous labwork was about the same with or without having taking my T4 and my T3 has always been in that low range...I wonder why I don’t feel crappy? I am 48. I work on the computer all day — I am a book designer and typesetter, have two kids – 17 and 12, a hubby and run myself into the ground most days. Overall I am very content and happy but just have these really “down” days where I am not emotionally down but physcially feel like it’s impossible to do more than drive my daughter to and from school and other days I go from 7 am to 10 pm without tiring.I do eat dairy/protein and carb/fiber with each meal or in between as snack. A typical day for me is yogurt, fruit and cereal; tuna or lean turkey sandwich with cheese and v-8 juice; snack of apple or yogurt; dinner is fish, chicken, or pasta with veggies and non fat milk and then one more little snack about 7 pm. .. I have been figuring my crashes are hormonally related/induced — never really took much interest in my Thyroid problem until the weight started piling on. I can’t figure out what the heck I am doing wrong! Sue

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Hi ,

My actual “alarm” was pain in my lower front ear area! I thought it was sinus. I went to primary and ENT.

My primary is the one who ran the TSH/T frees and sent me for the sono and uptake scan.

From there I went to an endo and that was 2 years ago. I just switched endos in the last year and love my newest endo.

I do need a new primary, though.

Turns out the ear/jaw pain is most likely TMJ and once I get my crown put on and old filling

In week or so I will schedule an appt for that specialist to see about the TMJ treatment.

It’s always something!

Sue

it always seems weight and fatigue are the two 'alarms'... here's a question for everyone... what was your alarm??

Re: new member - answers for /Topper

Hi Topper,

I had taken my Levoxyl that morning about 3 hours before blood was drawn.

As far as supplements I JUST started last week with b vitamins, omega fish oil, and anti-oxidants.

I am avoiding soy and the high fructose.

I do not use artificial sweetner at all and use 1 teasp. Sugar a day in one cup of coffee each morning and that’s it.

I have not had my iron, ferritin and b-12 checked... My primary just notified us they won’t take Aetna any longer so I am “doctor shopping” this week for a new primary and will get the full gamut of bloodwork once I do — are those the tests I should ask for when they do a cbc, etc. ?

My T4 on previous labwork was about the same with or without having taking my T4 and my T3 has always been in that low range...

I wonder why I don’t feel crappy? I am 48. I work on the computer all day — I am a book designer and typesetter, have two kids – 17 and 12, a hubby and run myself into the ground most days. Overall I am very content and happy but just have these really “down” days where I am not emotionally down but physcially feel like it’s impossible to do more than drive my daughter to and from school and other days I go from 7 am to 10 pm without tiring.

I do eat dairy/protein and carb/fiber with each meal or in between as snack. A typical day for me is yogurt, fruit and cereal; tuna or lean turkey sandwich with cheese and v-8 juice; snack of apple or yogurt; dinner is fish, chicken, or pasta with veggies and non fat milk and then one more little snack about 7 pm. ..

I have been figuring my crashes are hormonally related/induced — never really took much interest in my Thyroid problem until the weight started piling on. I can’t figure out what the heck I am doing wrong!

Sue

Hmmmm Did you take your dose of thyroid before your blood was drawn that morning?? How long before??

It just hit me.. if you dosed that morning, that high T4 could be a reading of what you took and not what has built.....

The Free T3 is way too low.. the TSH is probably the body reacting to the fact that it doesn't have enough hormone (T3 is the active hormone that is used for most body processes) to function properly.

You conversion isn't very good....

Lets run through that...

What supplements are you taking? Vitamins, minerals and herbs

Are you avoiding soy and high fructose corn syrup.... do you know about the other goitrogens?

Are you eating every three hours or so.. never skipping meals... always having breakfast?

Do you balance protein/carb/fiber with each meal?

Have they checked iron, ferritin and B-12 levels??

So you use artificial sweeteners?

I'm just letting stuff fall out of my brain... now it's your turn... lets volley things around a bit and see what gets noticed.

Topper ()

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:03 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Hi - my replies below:

On 3/12/06 12:42 PM, " topper2@... " wrote:

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I don’t think my levels are good for me at all cuz I don’t feel “great” at all — I just don’t feel crappy — I could just have lowered my standards over the years!... I have too much variation throughout the month... Up down up down... For my liking and overall function. My estrogen/progesterone/testosterone all showed I was NOT menopausal yet but I don’t believe that!

Once I find a new doc I will ask for those three tests ... I get my tsh and frees and cholesterol done thru my endo in about 5 weeks since I started that new T3 a week ago.

I have been tracking my moods/physcial/life events patterns for years now and it seems the “culprit” is indeed PMS every month like clockwork but then I have one more crash that can happen any time of the month — it is most often precipitated by extreme pushing of myself or stressful situations where I try to kid myself it’s no big deal and when it passes...I just seem to shut down totally for a full day...

I will check on the yogurt too, thanks.

Sue

Our bodies can compensate for levels that are off for a long time before the 'little things' collect into a big enough pile to be noticed... For many of us it can be the adrenals that kick in to cover for low thyroid hormone...

I don't want to be a poop..... but since your levels are off, and it may be that those levels are 'right for you' I'd still suggest keeping a close eye on things and making sure that nothing sneaks up on you....

If you're gonna be going to a new doc and running labs... make sure that you add the ferritin, iron and B-12 in there... and make sure that they check your frees and antibodies... and don't take your meds that day until after they've drawn the blood...

Start looking close at the good and the bad days and what you were doing for the 72 hours before each noticeably good or bad day....

I'm wondering if the is a cause result pattern... changes in activity pattern, sleep pattern, stress, food, what you are, or are not, drinking.. stuff like that...

Just out of curiosity... check the yogurt label for soy... I've been finding sour cream brands that are soy products with no diary in them at all.

Topper ()

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:50:31 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Hi Topper,

I had taken my Levoxyl that morning about 3 hours before blood was drawn.

As far as supplements I JUST started last week with b vitamins, omega fish oil, and anti-oxidants.

I am avoiding soy and the high fructose.

I do not use artificial sweetner at all and use 1 teasp. Sugar a day in one cup of coffee each morning and that’s it.

I have not had my iron, ferritin and b-12 checked... My primary just notified us they won’t take Aetna any longer so I am “doctor shopping” this week for a new primary and will get the full gamut of bloodwork once I do — are those the tests I should ask for when they do a cbc, etc. ?

My T4 on previous labwork was about the same with or without having taking my T4 and my T3 has always been in that low range...

I wonder why I don’t feel crappy? I am 48. I work on the computer all day — I am a book designer and typesetter, have two kids – 17 and 12, a hubby and run myself into the ground most days. Overall I am very content and happy but just have these really “down” days where I am not emotionally down but physcially feel like it’s impossible to do more than drive my daughter to and from school and other days I go from 7 am to 10 pm without tiring.

I do eat dairy/protein and carb/fiber with each meal or in between as snack. A typical day for me is yogurt, fruit and cereal; tuna or lean turkey sandwich with cheese and v-8 juice; snack of apple or yogurt; dinner is fish, chicken, or pasta with veggies and non fat milk and then one more little snack about 7 pm. ..

I have been figuring my crashes are hormonally related/induced — never really took much interest in my Thyroid problem until the weight started piling on. I can’t figure out what the heck I am doing wrong!

Sue

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My alarm was constipation. That's how I was first diagnoses over 10 years ago. Nine days of not "going" at all, prompted me to go to the doc. Also fatigue, I would come home from work and fall asleep on the couch at 5:00, get up at 8:00 and go to bed. Luckily he has the foresight to test my thyroid. I'm sure it was just TSH, I was on synthoird with him for years and years, but over the last few years I was doing extremely poorly and was dx. CFS & Fibro by my ND. When researching that, I learned about the relationship with thyroid, and started looking into it, Armour, etc.

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Hi ,My actual “alarm” was pain in my lower front ear area! I thought it was sinus. I went to primary and ENT.My primary is the one who ran the TSH/T frees and sent me for the sono and uptake scan.From there I went to an endo and that was 2 years ago. I just switched endos in the last year and love my newest endo.I do need a new primary, though.Turns out the ear/jaw pain is most likely TMJ and once I get my crown put on and old fillingIn week or so I will schedule an appt for that specialist to see about the TMJ treatment.It’s always something!Sue

it always seems weight and fatigue are the two 'alarms'... here's a question for everyone... what was your alarm??

Re: new member - answers for /Topper Hi Topper,I had taken my Levoxyl that morning about 3 hours before blood was drawn.As far as supplements I JUST started last week with b vitamins, omega fish oil, and anti-oxidants.I am avoiding soy and the high fructose.I do not use artificial sweetner at all and use 1 teasp. Sugar a day in one cup of coffee each morning and that’s it.I have not had my iron, ferritin and b-12 checked... My primary just notified us they won’t take Aetna any longer so I am “doctor shopping” this week for a new primary and will get the full gamut of bloodwork once I do — are those the tests I should ask for when they do a cbc, etc. ?My T4 on previous labwork was about the same with or without having taking my T4 and my T3 has always been in that low range...I wonder why I don’t feel crappy? I am 48. I work on the computer all day — I am a book designer and typesetter, have two kids – 17 and 12, a hubby and run myself into the ground most days. Overall I am very content and happy but just have these really “down” days where I am not emotionally down but physcially feel like it’s impossible to do more than drive my daughter to and from school and other days I go from 7 am to 10 pm without tiring.I do eat dairy/protein and carb/fiber with each meal or in between as snack. A typical day for me is yogurt, fruit and cereal; tuna or lean turkey sandwich with cheese and v-8 juice; snack of apple or yogurt; dinner is fish, chicken, or pasta with veggies and non fat milk and then one more little snack about 7 pm. .. I have been figuring my crashes are hormonally related/induced — never really took much interest in my Thyroid problem until the weight started piling on. I can’t figure out what the heck I am doing wrong! Sue

Hmmmm Did you take your dose of thyroid before your blood was drawn that morning?? How long before?? It just hit me.. if you dosed that morning, that high T4 could be a reading of what you took and not what has built..... The Free T3 is way too low.. the TSH is probably the body reacting to the fact that it doesn't have enough hormone (T3 is the active hormone that is used for most body processes) to function properly. You conversion isn't very good.... Lets run through that... What supplements are you taking? Vitamins, minerals and herbs Are you avoiding soy and high fructose corn syrup.... do you know about the other goitrogens? Are you eating every three hours or so.. never skipping meals... always having breakfast? Do you balance protein/carb/fiber with each meal? Have they checked iron, ferritin and B-12 levels?? So you use artificial sweeteners? I'm just letting stuff fall out of my brain... now it's your turn... lets volley things around a bit and see what gets noticed. Topper ()On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:03 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Hi - my replies below:

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I've always had back pain for cramps, and severe back labor with both of my kids.

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it's possible it could be your adrenals.. my theory as to why my back would hurt before starting my period every month... does anyone else have that? lower/mid back region?... achy dull pain but not really?

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Well my alarm was the fatigue. I went from a person who when I was awake I was awake for the day to a person who would just roll over and say just a couple more hours. I ran my sweeper everyday cause i loved doing it I loved cleaning to a house now if it gets cleaned 2 times a week it is lucky . I have so much clutter I can't handle it and I hate clutter but I am to tired to do anything about it except stare at it and wish I was and I could just wiggle my nose and it would go away. Also I was cold all the time and that was not me I was always fine I could adjust now that is not ever goingto happen intil I get treated. my hands are always cold and my feets. Tina Teague wrote: it always seems weight and fatigue are the two 'alarms'... here's a question for everyone... what was your alarm?? Re: new member - answers for /Topper Hi Topper,I had taken my Levoxyl that morning about 3 hours before blood was drawn.As far as supplements I JUST started last week with b vitamins, omega fish oil, and anti-oxidants.I am avoiding soy and the high fructose.I do not use artificial sweetner at all and use 1 teasp. Sugar a day in one cup of coffee each morning and that’s it.I have not had my iron, ferritin and b-12 checked... My primary just notified us they won’t take Aetna any longer so I am “doctor shopping” this week for a new primary and will get the full gamut of bloodwork once I do — are those the tests I should ask for when they do a cbc, etc. ?My T4 on previous labwork was about the same with or without having taking my T4 and my T3 has always been in that low

range...I wonder why I don’t feel crappy? I am 48. I work on the computer all day — I am a book designer and typesetter, have two kids – 17 and 12, a hubby and run myself into the ground most days. Overall I am very content and happy but just have these really “down” days where I am not emotionally down but physcially feel like it’s impossible to do more than drive my daughter to and from school and other days I go from 7 am to 10 pm without tiring.I do eat dairy/protein and carb/fiber with each meal or in between as snack. A typical day for me is yogurt, fruit and cereal; tuna or lean turkey sandwich with cheese and v-8 juice; snack of apple or yogurt; dinner is fish, chicken, or pasta with veggies and non fat milk and then one more little snack about 7 pm. .. I have been figuring my crashes are hormonally related/induced — never really took much interest in my Thyroid problem until the weight started piling on. I can’t figure out what the heck I am doing

wrong! Sue Hmmmm Did you take your dose of thyroid before your blood was drawn that morning?? How long before?? It just hit me.. if you dosed that morning, that high T4 could be a reading of what you took and not what has built..... The Free T3 is way too low.. the TSH is probably the body reacting to the fact that it doesn't have enough hormone (T3 is the active hormone that is used for most body processes) to function properly. You conversion isn't very good.... Lets run through that... What supplements are you taking? Vitamins, minerals and herbs Are you avoiding soy and high fructose corn

syrup.... do you know about the other goitrogens? Are you eating every three hours or so.. never skipping meals... always having breakfast? Do you balance protein/carb/fiber with each meal? Have they checked iron, ferritin and B-12 levels?? So you use artificial sweeteners? I'm just letting stuff fall out of my brain... now it's your turn... lets volley things around a bit and see what gets noticed. Topper ()On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:03 -0600 jytdtp writes: Hi - my replies below: I couldn't find a post with your labs, but you had this in one from a few days ago:"I will give this med time – I have having no bad affects from it as I have read on another board about racy heart, agitation, etc. and I agree that if I do go to armour it will be a smooth transition.Where does your doctor keep your numbers? Mine were “ok” before but my TSH went out of range last month and my T3F has always just squeaked by that minimum range..."So what I'm wondering now is what was being considered as "ok" before? It makes a HUGE difference where your levels are within their ranges. Things need to be 'fine tuned' for lack of a better term... Just being in range isn't good

enough.Ok here are my latest labs from 2/11/2006:T4Free: 1.5 range .8 to 1.8T3 Free 240 range: 230 to 420TSH: 7.37 range .4-5.50I think I am ok with T4? But the T3 was low end thus the doc added the Cytomel... The TSH --- we dunno why that went whacko.. In 11/2005 it was 2.1 and on its way down from 2.4 cuz she upped me from 88 mcg to 100 mcg 2 months before and then retested in November. Tina JJOIPPKOOUNUJOP'IUJK0--9UTINA MK-099-99\OP'[-0 I]9IKI099 U[

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Well For years I always got the cramps in my back oly it didn't feel like cramps just like a dull back ache ans standing for long didn't help. I also had all my labor in my back and I am here to tell you that is worse than regular labor Holy Jumpin Jahosafat. I will never forget that pain as long as I live. But then again I was born witht he Spinal Bifida occulta and have always had back pain. SO who know all I know is it hurt like H**L. So yes I can sympathize with anyone with back ache it is a unpleasant thing to have ot deal with. Tina Ives wrote: I've always had back pain for cramps, and severe back labor with both of my kids. Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind then it really doesn't matter.~ it's possible it could be your adrenals.. my theory as to why my back would hurt before starting my period every month... does anyone else have that? lower/mid back region?... achy dull pain but not really? a. Tina JJOIPPKOOUNUJOP'IUJK0--9UTINA MK-099-99\OP'[-0 I]9IKI099 U[

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Nope... can't call it pain free PMS.. there is no PMS, I don't know it's coming until I start spotting... usually mid morning.. which if you go back into the annals of the human physiology... is when the menstrual flow is supposed to start...

Did you know that babies are supposed to be born in the wee hours of the morning?? Yep... it's the time of 'day' when it's most likely that the father will be there to protect the mom and newborn from harm...

We'll help you to level out your roller coaster.. that's part of what the group is here for...

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:07:54 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Ok — well there ya go — a new goal for me, so you know my “buttons” LOL!Pain free PMS... What a novel idea...! I love it! :)I KNOW there’s something wrong — I can “feel” it in my soul, in my blood — in my heart — there is something amiss and it’s giving me those clues — but I don’t know how to put it together...I do want my “great” back or at least my “consistency” -- this roller coaster is wearing me out--- each time I have say 5 good days, I think sigh it’s over, I am “cured” and then BAM! Out of nowhere, I go “haywire” physically and even emotionally and can’t find the reason.... Sue

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Thanks so much for all your help... I start the basal temp in the morning and will “report” in then.

sue

Nope... can't call it pain free PMS.. there is no PMS, I don't know it's coming until I start spotting... usually mid morning.. which if you go back into the annals of the human physiology... is when the menstrual flow is supposed to start...

Did you know that babies are supposed to be born in the wee hours of the morning?? Yep... it's the time of 'day' when it's most likely that the father will be there to protect the mom and newborn from harm...

We'll help you to level out your roller coaster.. that's part of what the group is here for...

Topper ()

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:07:54 -0600 jytdtp writes:

Ok — well there ya go — a new goal for me, so you know my “buttons” LOL!

Pain free PMS... What a novel idea...! I love it!

I KNOW there’s something wrong — I can “feel” it in my soul, in my blood — in my heart — there is something amiss and it’s giving me those clues — but I don’t know how to put it together...

I do want my “great” back or at least my “consistency” -- this roller coaster is wearing me out--- each time I have say 5 good days, I think sigh it’s over, I am “cured” and then BAM! Out of nowhere, I go “haywire” physically and even emotionally and can’t find the reason....

Sue