Re: Arthritic Protocol Experience/Holter Cardiac Pauses?

[Guest guest]

hi Shelby,

Hubby had a halter monitor fitted prior to his PVA and also had the

pauses this was where his heart failed to beat anywhere from 2 to 4

seconds. My understanding from the heart specialist is that when

someone is in NSR the heart has a particular mapping route so to

speak when someone is in afib the heart tries to remap this doesnt

happen straight away but a gradual process over time. The specialist

also mentioned that the heart shape and size can be altered most

times ever so slightly as the heart is a muscle and the erratic

electrical impulses cause the muscle to bulk up based on where the

activity is during the afib episode.

This is a concern as the pause also increases the risk of clots due

to the low cardio output.

Its good your doctor is away push for him to look more dont assume

the machine is falty.

Lis

> Hello all Fibbers!

>

> One of you (message disappeared so I don't recall who) asked

for an update on my 'experiment' treating an arthritic hip/sciatica

with an anti-inflammatory agent (Alleve) while on coumadin (6 mg).

The protocol involves taking Nexium to protect the stomach lining

from bleeding and Cytotec to suppress prostaglandin production

(prostaglandin promotes the immune systems' inflammatory response).

Well, after two weeks the hip/leg is better and my INR went down

rather than up (from 2,9 to 2.1). The fear was that the anti-

inflammatory would interact with the coumadin to cause excessive

bleeding. So far it hasn't. Coincidentally or not I have largely

been in NSR lately. Hmmm--is there a connection??

> I have a question for the board: My recent (first) holter test

showed I was mostly in AF for the 24 hour period of wearing the

holter (no surprise). However, several cardiac 'pauses' showed up--

the bulk of which were of short duration (2 seconds or so). One

however lasted for 4 seconds. My cardio said it could just be a

holter malfunction--or it could be more serious. The line was pretty

flat for those four seconds. I wonder if the heart doesn't try to do

its own cardioversion from AF by stopping briefly and restarting in

NSR?? Has anyone else had a similar experience? Or was it something

more ominous? I am to wear a holter again in February prior to

seeing Dr Neal Kay in Birmingham.

>

> Shelby/Huntsville, Alabama

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi Shelby,

Hubby had a halter monitor fitted prior to his PVA and also had the

pauses this was where his heart failed to beat anywhere from 2 to 4

seconds. My understanding from the heart specialist is that when

someone is in NSR the heart has a particular mapping route so to

speak when someone is in afib the heart tries to remap this doesnt

happen straight away but a gradual process over time. The specialist

also mentioned that the heart shape and size can be altered most

times ever so slightly as the heart is a muscle and the erratic

electrical impulses cause the muscle to bulk up based on where the

activity is during the afib episode.

This is a concern as the pause also increases the risk of clots due

to the low cardio output.

Its good your doctor is away push for him to look more dont assume

the machine is falty.

Lis

> Hello all Fibbers!

>

> One of you (message disappeared so I don't recall who) asked

for an update on my 'experiment' treating an arthritic hip/sciatica

with an anti-inflammatory agent (Alleve) while on coumadin (6 mg).

The protocol involves taking Nexium to protect the stomach lining

from bleeding and Cytotec to suppress prostaglandin production

(prostaglandin promotes the immune systems' inflammatory response).

Well, after two weeks the hip/leg is better and my INR went down

rather than up (from 2,9 to 2.1). The fear was that the anti-

inflammatory would interact with the coumadin to cause excessive

bleeding. So far it hasn't. Coincidentally or not I have largely

been in NSR lately. Hmmm--is there a connection??

> I have a question for the board: My recent (first) holter test

showed I was mostly in AF for the 24 hour period of wearing the

holter (no surprise). However, several cardiac 'pauses' showed up--

the bulk of which were of short duration (2 seconds or so). One

however lasted for 4 seconds. My cardio said it could just be a

holter malfunction--or it could be more serious. The line was pretty

flat for those four seconds. I wonder if the heart doesn't try to do

its own cardioversion from AF by stopping briefly and restarting in

NSR?? Has anyone else had a similar experience? Or was it something

more ominous? I am to wear a holter again in February prior to

seeing Dr Neal Kay in Birmingham.

>

> Shelby/Huntsville, Alabama

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/14/04 11:13:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

shelbyck@... writes:

> The line was pretty flat for those four seconds. I wonder if the heart

> doesn't try to do its own cardioversion from AF by stopping briefly and

> restarting in NSR??

That's an interesting theory ... don't know if it's true or not, but I

definitely experience that too. I can hear it when I use my wrist thing where I

can

hear the " beep beep beep " of the heart rate. Sometimes the pauses freak me

out cuz they're so long ... not sure I've had one go 4 seconds, but definitely

2 seconds (which is a long time when you're waiting to hear it!). Will be

curious to find out what you learn about your pauses!

Toni

CA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/14/04 11:13:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

shelbyck@... writes:

> The line was pretty flat for those four seconds. I wonder if the heart

> doesn't try to do its own cardioversion from AF by stopping briefly and

> restarting in NSR??

That's an interesting theory ... don't know if it's true or not, but I

definitely experience that too. I can hear it when I use my wrist thing where I

can

hear the " beep beep beep " of the heart rate. Sometimes the pauses freak me

out cuz they're so long ... not sure I've had one go 4 seconds, but definitely

2 seconds (which is a long time when you're waiting to hear it!). Will be

curious to find out what you learn about your pauses!

Toni

CA