Re: Day 13 of Project No Meds

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Misty Lazenby wrote: Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour). Misty: WOW!! Your story has me curious. Your goal is to isolate the cause of your palpitations? You want to determine if the Armour is responsible? Did they run an EKG on

you to determine this or is this just something you feel is going on too much? When you monitor blood pressure is it always low or high? Gosh...that is so tough because palps can happen and often do with any dose change of any thryoid med. Also...the blance of the the t3/t4 might simply need adjusting rather than tossing out the armour all together. Everyone is different. I'm sorry you are going through this suffering. I hope your doc knows what he 's doing. I haven't followed your whole story ...so I apologize if repeating what you have already covered. ~E:)

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Misty Lazenby wrote: Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour). Misty: WOW!! Your story has me curious. Your goal is to isolate the cause of your palpitations? You want to determine if the Armour is responsible? Did they run an EKG on

you to determine this or is this just something you feel is going on too much? When you monitor blood pressure is it always low or high? Gosh...that is so tough because palps can happen and often do with any dose change of any thryoid med. Also...the blance of the the t3/t4 might simply need adjusting rather than tossing out the armour all together. Everyone is different. I'm sorry you are going through this suffering. I hope your doc knows what he 's doing. I haven't followed your whole story ...so I apologize if repeating what you have already covered. ~E:)

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E.

The EKG showed the tachycardia, but no electrical issues. The palps

don't bother me as much as the inability to fully inflate my lungs. I

am not to be on any thyroid meds until it is sorted out from what I

understand.

Right now, I am almost willing to try Synthroid.. God help me.

Thanks for your support,

Misty

Hey gals-

>

> Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am on

> day 13 without any Armour (or anything else for that

> matter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heart

> from palpitating out of my chest and to keep my

> inhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a little

> sedation is nice so I don't get too freaked out

> without my Armour).

>

>

> Misty:

> WOW!! Your story has me curious. Your goal is to isolate the

cause of your palpitations? You want to determine if the Armour is

responsible?

>

> Did they run an EKG on you to determine this or is this just

something you feel is going on too much? When you monitor blood

pressure is it always low or high?

>

> Gosh...that is so tough because palps can happen and often do with

any dose change of any thryoid med. Also...the blance of the the

t3/t4 might simply need adjusting rather than tossing out the armour

all together. Everyone is different.

>

> I'm sorry you are going through this suffering. I hope your doc

knows what he 's doing.

>

> I haven't followed your whole story ...so I apologize if repeating

what you have already covered.

>

> ~E:)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg

Armour since August 7th

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Misty... gripe away.. this is a crappy time for you...

Seems that if your heart is still doing the pitter pat after two weeks its' not the direct T3 in the Armour.... How are the Frees looking.. are you running high Free T3 that might indicate that you are one of the rare 'super converters'?

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:10:56 -0800 (PST) Misty Lazenby writes:

Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour).Obviously, I am pretty stinkin' miserable but I amtrying to keep my sense of humor. I had the echo(heart ultrasound) yesterday and my doctor should getthe results today, although who knows when I will getthem - I keep calling and leaving messages for hisoffice and haven't gotten a returned call as of yet.Things feel pretty dismal. My muscles hurt when I tryto walk (which, on Armour 3 miles 3-4 times weekly wasnormal) and my stomach pain and the big "C" are bothback. I am also having trouble falling and stayingasleep. Emotionally, I am okay. I just feel like a manwithout a country - or a lady without a medicalsystem, I guess. My first "Armour-free period" wasterrible, of course. I haven't had a period that badsince before Armour. My tongue looks like it has beeninflated and my concentration is that of a 6-hour-oldbaby.Anyhoo.. Just brooding here. My doctor seems tothink our next play is thyrolar, thinking that Isomehow became allergic to Armour. I am devistated bythis.I wonder how long I should wait for another TSH. I amhoping for double digits soon so that I can prove thatthe heart thing is its own entity (which it would seemthis is the case since I have been no-meds for almost2 weeks and the painful, stressed inhalations areworse and my pulse is still hovering around 100-104bpm.) but, oh well, what do I know, I have only beenwith my body for 29 years..Thanks for listening to my gripes.Warmly (except that, of course, I am freezing)Misty Mistymsl5858@...

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Misty... gripe away.. this is a crappy time for you...

Seems that if your heart is still doing the pitter pat after two weeks its' not the direct T3 in the Armour.... How are the Frees looking.. are you running high Free T3 that might indicate that you are one of the rare 'super converters'?

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:10:56 -0800 (PST) Misty Lazenby writes:

Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour).Obviously, I am pretty stinkin' miserable but I amtrying to keep my sense of humor. I had the echo(heart ultrasound) yesterday and my doctor should getthe results today, although who knows when I will getthem - I keep calling and leaving messages for hisoffice and haven't gotten a returned call as of yet.Things feel pretty dismal. My muscles hurt when I tryto walk (which, on Armour 3 miles 3-4 times weekly wasnormal) and my stomach pain and the big "C" are bothback. I am also having trouble falling and stayingasleep. Emotionally, I am okay. I just feel like a manwithout a country - or a lady without a medicalsystem, I guess. My first "Armour-free period" wasterrible, of course. I haven't had a period that badsince before Armour. My tongue looks like it has beeninflated and my concentration is that of a 6-hour-oldbaby.Anyhoo.. Just brooding here. My doctor seems tothink our next play is thyrolar, thinking that Isomehow became allergic to Armour. I am devistated bythis.I wonder how long I should wait for another TSH. I amhoping for double digits soon so that I can prove thatthe heart thing is its own entity (which it would seemthis is the case since I have been no-meds for almost2 weeks and the painful, stressed inhalations areworse and my pulse is still hovering around 100-104bpm.) but, oh well, what do I know, I have only beenwith my body for 29 years..Thanks for listening to my gripes.Warmly (except that, of course, I am freezing)Misty Mistymsl5858@...

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Topper -

I am actually feeling worse. Tired and cloudy. I'll let ya know what

(if anything) the echocardiogram looks like.

How long do you think it will be before my TSH goes to crud??

Love,

M

A great converter - never thought about it. At highest dosage about 3

weeks ago, my frees were in the top quarter of high. (as in if high

was 100, then mine were 75)

>

> Misty... gripe away.. this is a crappy time for you...

>

> Seems that if your heart is still doing the pitter pat after two weeks

> its' not the direct T3 in the Armour.... How are the Frees

looking.. are

> you running high Free T3 that might indicate that you are one of the

rare

> 'super converters'?

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:10:56 -0800 (PST) Misty Lazenby

> writes:

> Hey gals-

>

> Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am on

> day 13 without any Armour (or anything else for that

> matter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heart

> from palpitating out of my chest and to keep my

> inhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a little

> sedation is nice so I don't get too freaked out

> without my Armour).

>

> Obviously, I am pretty stinkin' miserable but I am

> trying to keep my sense of humor. I had the echo

> (heart ultrasound) yesterday and my doctor should get

> the results today, although who knows when I will get

> them - I keep calling and leaving messages for his

> office and haven't gotten a returned call as of yet.

>

> Things feel pretty dismal. My muscles hurt when I try

> to walk (which, on Armour 3 miles 3-4 times weekly was

> normal) and my stomach pain and the big " C " are both

> back. I am also having trouble falling and staying

> asleep.

>

> Emotionally, I am okay. I just feel like a man

> without a country - or a lady without a medical

> system, I guess. My first " Armour-free period " was

> terrible, of course. I haven't had a period that bad

> since before Armour. My tongue looks like it has been

> inflated and my concentration is that of a 6-hour-old

> baby.

>

> Anyhoo.. Just brooding here. My doctor seems to

> think our next play is thyrolar, thinking that I

> somehow became allergic to Armour. I am devistated by

> this.

>

> I wonder how long I should wait for another TSH. I am

> hoping for double digits soon so that I can prove that

> the heart thing is its own entity (which it would seem

> this is the case since I have been no-meds for almost

> 2 weeks and the painful, stressed inhalations are

> worse and my pulse is still hovering around 100-104

> bpm.) but, oh well, what do I know, I have only been

> with my body for 29 years..

>

> Thanks for listening to my gripes.

>

> Warmly (except that, of course, I am freezing)

> Misty

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@...

>

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Topper -

I am actually feeling worse. Tired and cloudy. I'll let ya know what

(if anything) the echocardiogram looks like.

How long do you think it will be before my TSH goes to crud??

Love,

M

A great converter - never thought about it. At highest dosage about 3

weeks ago, my frees were in the top quarter of high. (as in if high

was 100, then mine were 75)

>

> Misty... gripe away.. this is a crappy time for you...

>

> Seems that if your heart is still doing the pitter pat after two weeks

> its' not the direct T3 in the Armour.... How are the Frees

looking.. are

> you running high Free T3 that might indicate that you are one of the

rare

> 'super converters'?

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:10:56 -0800 (PST) Misty Lazenby

> writes:

> Hey gals-

>

> Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am on

> day 13 without any Armour (or anything else for that

> matter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heart

> from palpitating out of my chest and to keep my

> inhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a little

> sedation is nice so I don't get too freaked out

> without my Armour).

>

> Obviously, I am pretty stinkin' miserable but I am

> trying to keep my sense of humor. I had the echo

> (heart ultrasound) yesterday and my doctor should get

> the results today, although who knows when I will get

> them - I keep calling and leaving messages for his

> office and haven't gotten a returned call as of yet.

>

> Things feel pretty dismal. My muscles hurt when I try

> to walk (which, on Armour 3 miles 3-4 times weekly was

> normal) and my stomach pain and the big " C " are both

> back. I am also having trouble falling and staying

> asleep.

>

> Emotionally, I am okay. I just feel like a man

> without a country - or a lady without a medical

> system, I guess. My first " Armour-free period " was

> terrible, of course. I haven't had a period that bad

> since before Armour. My tongue looks like it has been

> inflated and my concentration is that of a 6-hour-old

> baby.

>

> Anyhoo.. Just brooding here. My doctor seems to

> think our next play is thyrolar, thinking that I

> somehow became allergic to Armour. I am devistated by

> this.

>

> I wonder how long I should wait for another TSH. I am

> hoping for double digits soon so that I can prove that

> the heart thing is its own entity (which it would seem

> this is the case since I have been no-meds for almost

> 2 weeks and the painful, stressed inhalations are

> worse and my pulse is still hovering around 100-104

> bpm.) but, oh well, what do I know, I have only been

> with my body for 29 years..

>

> Thanks for listening to my gripes.

>

> Warmly (except that, of course, I am freezing)

> Misty

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@...

>

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I'll ask my DO - he isn't a big adrenal support-supporter.

If I call the hospital where the echo was done, can I get any info

about it?

>

> Now that's a thought.. if the adrenals are over reacting to added

thyroid

> hormone.... that they are too out of sync to handle that extra load...

> might not be a bad idea to check into that part.

>

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>

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:39:29 -0500 " Teague "

> writes:

> Has your doc also talked about adrenaline being able to give you heart

> palps to? It can happen when the fight or flight response is

triggered.

> I can (almost) understand your doc depriving you of armour, so just make

> sure when you go back on it that you take very very small dosages at a

> time.

>

> good luck in this and keep us posted.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll ask my DO - he isn't a big adrenal support-supporter.

If I call the hospital where the echo was done, can I get any info

about it?

>

> Now that's a thought.. if the adrenals are over reacting to added

thyroid

> hormone.... that they are too out of sync to handle that extra load...

> might not be a bad idea to check into that part.

>

> Topper ()

> Yahoo IM: toppertwo

>

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:39:29 -0500 " Teague "

> writes:

> Has your doc also talked about adrenaline being able to give you heart

> palps to? It can happen when the fight or flight response is

triggered.

> I can (almost) understand your doc depriving you of armour, so just make

> sure when you go back on it that you take very very small dosages at a

> time.

>

> good luck in this and keep us posted.

>

>

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I agree! It scares me to hear anyone without the med. You can drain the tissues of the t4 and it can take a year to replace it. Palpitations are simply par for the course with thryoid replacement because the heart is the biggest muscle in our body as is VERY sensitive to hormonal changes. The word "hormone" is greek for: to stimulate. I think at this point I would freak out if I didn't have my heart changes. The more serverly hypo you are too...the worse this is I found. When I was hypo my bp was like 110/60..and the pulse was 75. Later I got it up 10 120/80....and the palps stopped. ******* The differentail can be if you already have plaque ladden arteries. Then one can have high blood pressure while hypo. When person take armour...the heart races, scaring the poort patient.

~E:) ary wrote: IMO, I think that the truth is this; that our own thyroids used to (on the minute) regulate up and down, according to what every single body part needs, including the heart, and that with taking the hormone from the outside of the body, it is soooo rigid an amt of hormone, but it's the best we can do, even on an optimal dose of whatever. We simply can't outperform what the original thing did quite naturally, so I think that some of us are going to have up and down regulation of the electricity to the heart, mainly because that one set amt is not what our heart always needs, on a minute to minute basis. I still have palps sometimes, but

not as often or as bad as before. I will tell anyone that the up and down regulation of the female hormones can have something to do with this, as well as many other things can. Being a young woman does not mean that the fun can't begin much earlier, it did with me, when it came to the progesterone. Both estrogen and progesterone loss can cause heart palpitations and racing heart, and so can many other things. She is suffering needlessly without her thyroid med, which her body desperately needs right now, even if in a different amt. Re: Day 13 of "Project No Meds" Misty Lazenby wrote: Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep

myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour). Misty: WOW!! Your story has me curious. Your goal is to isolate the cause of your palpitations? You want to determine if the Armour is responsible? Did they run an EKG on you to determine this or is this just something you feel is going on too much? When you monitor blood pressure is it always low or high? Gosh...that is so tough because palps can happen and often do with any dose change of any thryoid med. Also...the blance of the the t3/t4 might simply need adjusting rather than tossing out the armour all together.

Everyone is different. I'm sorry you are going through this suffering. I hope your doc knows what he 's doing. I haven't followed your whole story ...so I apologize if repeating what you have already covered. ~E:)

~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th

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I agree! It scares me to hear anyone without the med. You can drain the tissues of the t4 and it can take a year to replace it. Palpitations are simply par for the course with thryoid replacement because the heart is the biggest muscle in our body as is VERY sensitive to hormonal changes. The word "hormone" is greek for: to stimulate. I think at this point I would freak out if I didn't have my heart changes. The more serverly hypo you are too...the worse this is I found. When I was hypo my bp was like 110/60..and the pulse was 75. Later I got it up 10 120/80....and the palps stopped. ******* The differentail can be if you already have plaque ladden arteries. Then one can have high blood pressure while hypo. When person take armour...the heart races, scaring the poort patient.

~E:) ary wrote: IMO, I think that the truth is this; that our own thyroids used to (on the minute) regulate up and down, according to what every single body part needs, including the heart, and that with taking the hormone from the outside of the body, it is soooo rigid an amt of hormone, but it's the best we can do, even on an optimal dose of whatever. We simply can't outperform what the original thing did quite naturally, so I think that some of us are going to have up and down regulation of the electricity to the heart, mainly because that one set amt is not what our heart always needs, on a minute to minute basis. I still have palps sometimes, but

not as often or as bad as before. I will tell anyone that the up and down regulation of the female hormones can have something to do with this, as well as many other things can. Being a young woman does not mean that the fun can't begin much earlier, it did with me, when it came to the progesterone. Both estrogen and progesterone loss can cause heart palpitations and racing heart, and so can many other things. She is suffering needlessly without her thyroid med, which her body desperately needs right now, even if in a different amt. Re: Day 13 of "Project No Meds" Misty Lazenby wrote: Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep

myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour). Misty: WOW!! Your story has me curious. Your goal is to isolate the cause of your palpitations? You want to determine if the Armour is responsible? Did they run an EKG on you to determine this or is this just something you feel is going on too much? When you monitor blood pressure is it always low or high? Gosh...that is so tough because palps can happen and often do with any dose change of any thryoid med. Also...the blance of the the t3/t4 might simply need adjusting rather than tossing out the armour all together.

Everyone is different. I'm sorry you are going through this suffering. I hope your doc knows what he 's doing. I haven't followed your whole story ...so I apologize if repeating what you have already covered. ~E:)

~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th

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I agree! It scares me to hear anyone without the med. You can drain the tissues of the t4 and it can take a year to replace it. Palpitations are simply par for the course with thryoid replacement because the heart is the biggest muscle in our body as is VERY sensitive to hormonal changes. The word "hormone" is greek for: to stimulate. I think at this point I would freak out if I didn't have my heart changes. The more serverly hypo you are too...the worse this is I found. When I was hypo my bp was like 110/60..and the pulse was 75. Later I got it up 10 120/80....and the palps stopped. ******* The differentail can be if you already have plaque ladden arteries. Then one can have high blood pressure while hypo. When person take armour...the heart races, scaring the poort patient.

~E:) ary wrote: IMO, I think that the truth is this; that our own thyroids used to (on the minute) regulate up and down, according to what every single body part needs, including the heart, and that with taking the hormone from the outside of the body, it is soooo rigid an amt of hormone, but it's the best we can do, even on an optimal dose of whatever. We simply can't outperform what the original thing did quite naturally, so I think that some of us are going to have up and down regulation of the electricity to the heart, mainly because that one set amt is not what our heart always needs, on a minute to minute basis. I still have palps sometimes, but

not as often or as bad as before. I will tell anyone that the up and down regulation of the female hormones can have something to do with this, as well as many other things can. Being a young woman does not mean that the fun can't begin much earlier, it did with me, when it came to the progesterone. Both estrogen and progesterone loss can cause heart palpitations and racing heart, and so can many other things. She is suffering needlessly without her thyroid med, which her body desperately needs right now, even if in a different amt. Re: Day 13 of "Project No Meds" Misty Lazenby wrote: Hey gals-Just wanted to write back to keep in touch. I am onday 13 without any Armour (or anything else for thatmatter except for the Klonapin (sp) to keep my heartfrom palpitating out of my chest and to keep

myinhalations somewhat painless - I must admit a littlesedation is nice so I don't get too freaked outwithout my Armour). Misty: WOW!! Your story has me curious. Your goal is to isolate the cause of your palpitations? You want to determine if the Armour is responsible? Did they run an EKG on you to determine this or is this just something you feel is going on too much? When you monitor blood pressure is it always low or high? Gosh...that is so tough because palps can happen and often do with any dose change of any thryoid med. Also...the blance of the the t3/t4 might simply need adjusting rather than tossing out the armour all together.

Everyone is different. I'm sorry you are going through this suffering. I hope your doc knows what he 's doing. I haven't followed your whole story ...so I apologize if repeating what you have already covered. ~E:)

~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th

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