Re: Dairy products and their chemical makeup

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In a message dated 9/8/2004 2:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

angus.sue.pahaoa@... writes:

> ,as you are the queen of communication .. After you:-) Angus

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Angus,

Thanks for the coronation as queen! I was just reading that women have more

speech centers in the brain than do men, and this could account for the

excessive verbalizing of women like me. :-) In other words, I like to talk a

lot,

but that doesn't mean that everything I say is valid. However, I guess if I

was in error in my description of the opioid-afib connection theory, you would

have corrected me.

It's good to know that you're out there keeping check on my excessive

verbalization.

in sinus in Seattle

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The casein in milk and other

dairy products

> contains opioid peptides which are absorbed in the small intestine

and may

> cause inflammation in some susceptible individuals. As I understand

it, the

> reaction that causes afib is similar to but not really the same as

an allergic

> response because the body's immune system recognizes these opioid

peptides as

> foreign invaders and launches an attack on them which precipitates

the

> inflammation which can lead to afib.

et al,

I have been going off the idea that the immune system recognizes the

opioid peptides as foreign, for one there is no direct reaction by

most people to dairy except pleasure. If someone did react then it

would be called an allergic response.

What I think is happening is the opioid peptides from dairy are

modifing our immunity in such a way as to make us(our immune system is

us) less tolerent to stressers and hence overly reactive causing

inflammation. Why we get afib and not something else is probably down

to our dna and environment.Angus

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> et al,

> I have been going off the idea that the immune system recognizes

the

> opioid peptides as foreign, for one there is no direct reaction by

> most people to dairy except pleasure. If someone did react then it

> would be called an allergic response.

> What I think is happening is the opioid peptides from dairy are

> modifing our immunity in such a way as to make us(our immune system

is

> us) less tolerent to stressers and hence overly reactive causing

> inflammation. Why we get afib and not something else is probably

down

> to our dna and environment.Angus

Angus, one thing I noticed in cutting out dairy was that I breathe

more easily. If I go back on dairy, my nose gets stuffed up quite

soon, and I start clearing my throat, etc. I believe someone else

mentioned that type of thing also.

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In a message dated 9/9/2004 1:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

angus.sue.pahaoa@... writes:

> Could this digestive track upset

> > trigger the vagus nerve? So maybe avoiding dairy, avoids digestive

> > upset, avoids afib? Sounds highly likely to me.

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I have not avoided digestive upset after stopping dairy, but I have avoided

afib. My digestive upset continues although it is somewhat better since

changing jobs because of the less stressful environment. After every test known

to

medicine, my doctor could find nothing wrong with me, no physical cause for

the digestive upset. The conclusion is that stress is the culprit. However,

despite the continued digestive upset, I have had about a 98 percent reduction

in afib since stopping dairy.

I do agree with you, however, that digestive upset caused by any substance,

including dairy, could cause vasovagal stimulation and, therefore, afib.

That's a logical conclusion you drew. In my case, I don't think the dairy

products

were causing afib by simple digestive upset because the digestive upset

continued after the dairy products and afib were stopped.

in sinus in Seattle

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I cant say I have researched the following information regarding dairy,

specifically milk, but I have an interest in nutrition and some time ago it came

to

my attention, on a food forum, that milk in its raw state (before

homogenisation or pasteurisation) has an enzyme in it that aids digestion.

Milk 'intolerance' is much less prevalent when the milk taken is 'raw' and

not heat treated (which is how we prefer our milk these days to kill bacteria).

I also wondered about the milk sugar, casein, which causes a lot of mood

changes (from brain chemical changes) in Autistic children.

Many will know that removing casein and or gluten from the diet of some

autistic individuals will decrease their symptoms and in some cases, it has been

known to eradicate them.

I think it is accepted amongst many of those connected with the Autistic

community, that cows milk is great for baby cows, but not so great for human

beings.

I think if we are going to drink milk, the human body prefers it in its raw

state. I think if I'm not mistaken, it isn't legal to sell raw cows milk in

USA?

I myself will only drink UHT milk which is treated to a very high temperature

as even pasteurisation doesnt kill all the bacteria and I had a brucellosis

scare in the 70's, ( a disease caught from infected cows, or milk) and am just

not willing to take the risk of drinking even pasteurised milk. It has to be

UHT (much higher temperature than pasteurisation) or nothing for me now!

When you know of all the antibiotics and hormones and other drugs that are

given to the cows, to make them produce more milk, etc. I wonder why anyone

wants to drink it at all, and I drink an absolute minimum myself . In warmer

summer months here in UK, something is added to inhibit the milk souring as we

still get doorstep deliveries in some parts and i cannot abide the taste or

smell

of this!! Most people cannot smell or taste it but I sure can

I have no idea what it is, as ingredients are not listen on the bottle.

Milk is also known to cause more mucous production in human beings so is

particularly poor food for anyone with asthma, mucous producing allergies or any

chest or mucous producing conditions.

I'm sorry I dont have any links for all the above 'opinion'. It was dragged

out of the depths of my memory from info on a healthy foood forum some time

ago!

Take it with a pinch of salt or verify it if you care to with research. I

would do that myself but am dashing off to bed here in UK as I have a check up

with my cardiologist in the morning and I don't generally 'do' mornings hehe!

Keep beating regularly everyone!

Haze in UK

In a message dated 09/09/2004 17:01:59 GMT Standard Time, NavyGoat@...

writes:

> Have you looked to see if it could be a link to " lactose intolerance " ?

> From what I understand, there is an enzyme in our gut that helps to

> digest milk --- and that the enzyme disappears over time (after all,

> humans are the only mammals that consume milk after weaning). I

> understand many people are not aware as they gradually and

> increasingly become lactose intolerant. Lack of this enzyme causes

> all manner of digestive upset. Could this digestive track upset

> trigger the vagus nerve? So maybe avoiding dairy, avoids digestive

> upset, avoids afib? Sounds highly likely to me.

> H, Charlotte NC

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