- Re: LID and ... cabbage ???

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Hi, -

Based on the thyca expertise of your medical, um, staff, it's a good thing

you've learned so much on your own.

> Well, (a) I was astounded, ( I'm LIDding nonetheless, and © CABBAGE???

> She was emphatic on the cabbage. (She also warned me away from Web thyca

> groups as a source of info ... Clearly, she hasn't had thyca.)

a) I agree, it's astonishing how many doctors don't know or care about the LID,

but you'll soon get used to the idea that you know more than most of 'em on the

subject

good for you for doing the diet anyway

c) Cabbage, maybe. My endo also has no use for internet groups, or info or for

the LID, for that matter, and he's considered a top endo in NYC. Cabbage is a

cruciferous vegetable (broccoli's another), and

as a group they tend to be goitrogenic, meaning they block the uptake of iodine.

This is a good thing while you're on the LID, but not so good when you're

ingesting RAI.

It is generally said that cooking destroys the goitrogenic quality of at least

some of the problematic foods.

I think it's undetermined how much of a problem this causes in terms of

RAI, and what quantities of these foods it takes to create a problem.

Some versions of the LID list some goitrogens and instruct patients to

avoid them. This makes sense to me, although Dr. Ain, while

acknowledging the goitrogenic properties of certain foods, does not include

them as disallowed on the diet.

My personal solution is to try to keep my diet as simple as possible,

especially in the last 4-5 days, when I tend to go what many would consider

overboard in caution. It is a good idea to keep the diet as varied as

possible in order to avoid eating too much of one food that may be higher

in iodine than anticipated.

> I know everybody is bored to sobs with LID questions, SORRY SORRY SORRY,

Au contraire! Some of us never tire of talking about it :-)

DOING it is another story, however ...

> ... I'm a vegetarian, AND allergic to wheat, so I

> would usually eat tofu, beans and rice as a big chunk of my diet & boy am I

> grasping for substitutes.

Did you look at the veggie section in the LID recipe index, as well as the ThyCa

cookbook?

> Fruits but NOT rhubarb, maraschino, mangoes.[Why mangoes?]

I don't know why not mangoes. For the same reason as rhubarb, I suppose.

> Veges but NOT avocado broccoli, spinach

And probably not cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts ...

Who said no avocado????

> Beans but NOT pinto, lima, navy, red kidney, cowpeas [but what else IS

> there?

There are, believe it or not, others. But it's a matter of debate whether or

not beans are allowed.

> And isn't canned food a no-no too?

Used to be. Dr. Ain has said the only reason to avoid canned foods is because

they tend to be heavily salted, so obviously salt free canned foods are okay.

> And shouldn't soy beans be on this list?]

Absolutely. But they usually have a category of their own.

> Walnuts but NOT peanuts almonds brazil nuts.[What about pecans?]

Where'd you read this?

> And yet I saw in recent list that you all cheerfully snarf away on avocados

> and salt-free peanut butter.

Darned tootin' !

(do you think I'm getting a little testy at the idea of giving them up on the

LID? ;-)

Actually, peanuts are goitrogens, too, but as long as Dr. Ain says they're okay,

I'm sticking with it.

I know someone who lives on rice cakes and peanut butter while on the LID; he's

not so much fun to dine with, but his scans are always good (or so he says :-)

> Is it OK to have the occasional salt-free rice cake, I ask, plaintively. And

> how much Basmati is OK? A bowl a week? 3 bowls a week?

According to Dr. Ain, have as much as you want.

According to some other doctors, try to go for rice grown in Asia.

> Thank you thank you thank you ..

I'm not sure any of this helped at all :-\

but you're welcome welcome welcome -

(not a nutritionist)

NYC