Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 In a message dated 11/5/01 7:29:40 AM GTB Standard Time, appraise@... writes: << y here? Basically, I am expected to risk my health and maybe my life by submitting to a procedure I am not convinced is safe so that those who willingly accept it have a higher chance of retaing whatever immunity they may have? Yeah, that's fair. >> A simple reply is: Go have your titers checked and vaccinate yourself till you are protected.Don't whine " Vaccines are not 100% effective,and therefore everyone must assume the risk in order to create herd immunity. " This is what lazy people do....they vaccinate,assume they are protected even when they know they might not be,and then whine if they contract the disease,and blame it on the unvaccianted children. Silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 At 09:26 PM 11/04/2001 -0800, you wrote: >So I forwarded the info regarding the model law stuff to another list I'm on. >This is a reply to my reply to someone else's reply to the original post (are >you confused yet? *L*) What can I say here? Basically, I am expected to risk >my health and maybe my life by submitting to a procedure I am not convinced is >safe so that those who willingly accept it have a higher chance of retaing >whatever immunity they may have? Yeah, that's fair. > >Tami >************************************************** >>Well, if your child received the vaccination, then there'd be nothing to fear >>from an unvaccinated child, right? > >Wrong. Vaccines do not give you 100% immunity. Unvaccinated people are >increasing the risk for those who are vaccinated. > >To vastly simplify, assume an entire population is immunized, and everyone >has 90% immunity. So on initial exposure, a few people will get it, but it >should be relatively easy to quarantine and contain the outbreak. If a few >people are not immunized it doesn't change too much. If a substantial >number of people are not immunized, then it spreads quickly, and the people >who are immunized are exposed repeatedly, which greatly increases the >chances that they will contract the disease. There is no answer for people like this who are quick to give up their freedoms. Quarantine is very useful here. Injecting something into someones body without there permission is really not something done in a democratic society - sounds like communist China to me. So many people don't have a clue what this implies. They don't know how to think -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 At 08:52 AM 11/05/2001 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/5/01 7:29:40 AM GTB Standard Time, appraise@... >writes: > ><< y here? Basically, I am expected to risk > my health and maybe my life by submitting to a procedure I am not convinced >is > safe so that those who willingly accept it have a higher chance of retaing > whatever immunity they may have? Yeah, that's fair. > >> > >A simple reply is: Go have your titers checked and vaccinate yourself till >you are protected.Don't whine " Vaccines are not 100% effective,and therefore >everyone must assume the risk in order to create herd immunity. " This is what >lazy people do....they vaccinate,assume they are protected even when they >know they might not be,and then whine if they contract the disease,and blame >it on the unvaccianted children. Silly. > Good response. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 " may not be my son, by blood or by marriage (yet), but I think of him as my kid. You want to know what really set me off, was seeing how upset he was by it. I'm a bill collector for a living. You want to try and hurt me, go ahead....But someone sent it to him, and it hurt him. " Hmmmm, so far I am totally lost here . Why are you apologizing?? We have so many similarities in how we look at our " non-dwarf " world within our " dwarf " life. I don't have kids, and like you I can handle the stupidity thrown at us and for the most part let it slide, but I get uncomfortable watching my family and friends handle it. Burned in my memory (and those who know me for the most part its a bucket with a million holes) the day my little (ok, he is 8 years younger and always taller, he's now 6ft 1) brother felt a need to defend me against some bad mouthing bullies. Of course, the hard edged b**** in me would rather had defended herself, and I cringed at the time but its one of those moments that still melts my heart (until he asks me for a loan!). My family still to this day (I'm 46) doesn't handle my dwarfism well or at all, the closest we came to even addressing it was during the 2 years where we dealt with 3 dwarfism related surgeries and even then it was skimmed over (ok, enough analysis). LOL, now I'm laughing to myself, I can't think of one time I have said the word " dwarf " in spanish around them. Lord, we need to pay for family therapy. I attribute a lot of this to the fact my brother is gay and we've spent more time dealing with that arena. Yeah, my poor father (my brother is from his second marraige) couldn't get a break when it came to having kids. (yes, I'm off on a tangeant) I guess my point being, I feel for you and totally 'get' your reaction to the web page. This is the perfect forum to come scream in. If we can't do it here then where? I would prefer you stirred up discussion in this group then you went " postal " on your own. Hang in there, keep using us. If not for these issues we'd be discussing the dang weather - it's hot, it's cold, it's humid, I never see rain, I see too much rain. Ok, that would be the end of the list ;-) P.S. On another thread " take off " , why is it that we always go for the sexual inuendos (hmmmm, how is that spelled?) when insulting people? Personally I think the insulter is usually mirroring his own inadequesies (ok, another one I can't spell). And why do men go for the groin when insulting? I don't think women do, well not when dissing other women, but we do when dissing men, hmmmm. As I write these things I can almost answer my own questions, but still find it fascinating. Anyhow, evidently I can't spell of Fridays or go look up words because IT'S MY DAY OFF FROM WORK!!!! so I don't have to spell :-D > Any of you who have been around the list for any length of time know that when Danny Black and lee upset someone's fragile sensibilities, I am the first in line to defend them. I don't shock easily. I don't bandy semantics over the word " midget. " I tell more short jokes than anyone I know. I have a slightly twisted sense of humor. I would say my sensibilities are quite sturdy. And yes, I wear Danny's t-shirts with pride. > > may not be my son, by blood or by marriage (yet), but I think of him as my kid. You want to know what really set me off, was seeing how upset he was by it. I'm a bill collector for a living. You want to try and hurt me, go ahead. If someone had sent that to me, I probably would have just rolled my eyes and deleted it. But someone sent it to him, and it hurt him. > > As I said, as far as I'm concerned, he's my kid. You hurt me, no problem. You hurt my kid, big problem. > > I can't do much about the bullies. This, I could do something about. And perhaps it's appropriate for me to be told " grow up, get a thicker skin, get a life, get a hobby " after I've effectively said the same thing to the anti-t-shirt crowd for so long. And perhaps it was a poorly-considered idea to try and drag this list into the fight with me. For that, I ask your forgiveness. > > I'll give up fighting the web page. But I still have to explain all this to my kid, and I have to teach him to deal with the bullies who harass him, on a near-daily basis, about " your mom's midget boyfriend. " (For those who suggest that he try to educate them -- that nearly got him beaten up.) I have to respond to the uncomfortable silence that follows when he tells me that the teasing extends to my adequacy in " the men's department. " And now I have to respond to the fact that there are a lot of people out there who find this web page funny. > > And I don't know what to say. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Hi, I think you handled this beautifully! If there is any suggestion, maybe keep up the encouragement when it's least expected - like it you " catch " him doing or saying something, kind praise him a little for the great work he's doing. Good job, mom! Sherry mommyofoneapraxickid <mommyofoneapraxickid@...> wrote: Hi all, I've been a member here for a long time, but unfortunately need to post under a new name due to a privacy issue I have with someone lurking here. But I do have a question for you all, because I don't know what to say to my apraxic son. Tonight, as we put our son to bed, he said, " I need to say something. I sad. I different. " I asked him why he was sad, and he said it's because he's different. We talked about it a little bit, but he couldn't express why he thinks he's different or why he's sad about it. I finally asked him if he felt different because he talked a little bit different, and he said yes, and cried a little. We reassured him, and told him that he is perfect the way he is, because he is. I explained to him that his brain is so smart, that while other kids were learning to talk he was learning other things, like reading and math. I told him that he could remember things that are amazing, and that is is SO smart. We told him that his talking is getting so much better, and we know how hard he works on it, and we said how proud we are of him. By the time we were finished, he seemed okay. He said he wasn't sad anymore, and went right to sleep. I feel so badly for him though. He's only 6, and to think he realizes that he's different already. How else can I handle it? Should I just leave it alone until he brings it up again, or should I try to reassure him some more? Since it's already coming up, it will probably come up again... any suggestions? I feel okay with the way we handled it this time, but truthfully felt at a loss. He really is amazing, and he feels good about himself. I just want him to stay that way. Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 I am so proud of you!!! I smiled reading what you said to your son - what a great mommy you are!!! This is such an important topic so I'm so glad you brought this up -self esteem is so precious -and important to keep high for our children. All kids can feel bad about themselves at times -all kids can be teased at times -so all of that is normal. It's how we help them deal and learn to overcome. It's how we have a " conversation " with a child who is feeling bad about their inabilities to have full conversations. When a child suddenly notices they are different -I like to rule out why. What's the sudden change? I mean think about it -if children didn't start school until 7 and there were no children his age in the neighborhood -how would a 6 year old know he's different...unless someone tells him, or it becomes that obvious because he's around a bunch of others his age who easily do what he can't -talk well. Your son is at the age where he would be aware of differences, especially if he is schooled with 'normal' speech wise children. And school must have just started for your son. So that should be number one place to look for this sudden awareness, and think about talking to the teacher to ask her if something is going on there. A good thing you can do just in case even to prevent problems is the " circle of friends " Please let me know if you need to know how to do that. Is your son in kindergarten or first grade now? What type of placement? I would also find out from him if anyone has teased him. There has been just two (thankfully) situations since Tanner was in school where there was a child that teased him about the way he talks. Both times -Tanner came home moody -not himself. He also typically loves going to school and was resistant to go around those two times. What is interesting is that both times at first when I asked him " did someone tease you at school? " Tanner said " No " The way I got it out of him was by relating (OK so it wasn't true -but he doesn't know that) by saying " It's OK to let Daddy and me know if someone teased you -sometimes people say bad things to you when they are having a bad day, or they don't feel good about themselves. Like maybe their dog just died and they are in a bad mood. Or maybe they are jealous because you are so smart and they don't feel that smart. " and then I would say something like " I remember one day I had to go to the bathroom and I tried to say " I have to go to the bathroom " and instead said " I have potty " and the other kids thought I pooped in my pants " I figured that had to be worse than any speech blooper he had! And you know stuff like that works for Tanner -makes him laugh at me -and at himself. Then he tells me what really happened. Perhaps it's due to those two times early on that Tanner is never teased now. He knows how to handle it -it's hard for a bully to tease someone who doesn't get upset. And speaking of bully -as the list owner please let me know off list who is invading your privacy - and I'll report them to and the FBI. This is a family grouplist with zero tolerance for bullies. We chose to talk to Tanner about his speech impairment in a child appropriate way prior to him entering kindergarten just in case he was teased, or wondered why he had to work so hard on something that came so easily to others -talking. And the good news is that in addition to what you already did -it's not to late to add a bit more if you feel appropriate. I found it to be most important for school age children with speech impairments. I told Tanner that I was an artist in New York for years -so the word different for me is not a bad thing at all -normal was a bad thing to me! Being different is not unusual anyway -we are all different. You can ask your son how many people in his school/does he know that wear glasses. Remind him that wearing glasses means that person needs help seeing, just like he needs some help talking. Their vision may not be as good as yours, you can say, but that doesn't mean that those people can't do or be whatever they want -just like you. I told Tanner about Helen Keller -and about the diamond " A diamond is a lump of coal that was put under intense pressure for a long period of time " It all seems to work. Tanner's always had a high self esteem, and as he ages -we even make him more aware of what his apraxia is and how he has overcome it - as you will read in the following -it's all in a good way. Just like in The Late Talker book we explained how to relieve frustrations in a " late talker " child -the same strategies do work for the older ones too. This is what I said to Tanner at six prior to him starting kindergarten: " Tanner when you were a little baby you had very high fevers that caused a boo boo in here. (I touched his head) But what you did was amazing Tanner! You see, most of us only use a tiny bit of our brain, and most of us learn to talk the same way -but you have somehow developed another pathway to talk using more of your brain...which actually makes you smarter than the rest of us! Now this is the thing, sometimes people who don't know just how smart you are may judge you based on how you talk and even call you names. This is because they don't feel good about themselves, or they don't feel as smart as you. So don't get angry with people like that who don't use as much of their brain as you do. And always let us know if someone ever says anything bad to you. Then I paused and said with a mock serious face/mocking voice. " Now Tanner, just because you are smarter then most other people -don't go thinking you are better than anybody else. You hear me Tanner? Tanner don't smile, you have to be nice to everybody Tanner " (that made Tanner smile too) Since we've moved from New Jersey -I now tell Tanner (stretch the truth) that if he wants to ever feel normal he can move back to New Jersey where all the kids his age just about have apraxia. I tell him that the people where we live in FL are not used to people with speech problems, so some could prejudge him, but he can prove to them just how smart he is. And he does. Like your son: Tanner knows that due to his " late talking " he has an " amazing memory " and that he is " Mr. Mathhead " Tanner was the first in his class to get the 1-12 table addition award for math last week! He is now reading some scary stories for Halloween, just completed a book report which was amazing, and we are just so proud of how great he is doing! Point being that Tanner today at 8 knows he isn't like others in regards to speech. Then again there are ways that Tanner excels over the norm. Tanner can talk -and he is typically understood. His speech impairment today is that his speech is still immature for an 8 year old. He tends to keep his sentences short. If he has a longer thought he pauses and breaks the thought up. In general, Tanner is expressive, let's you know what he wants or how he feels -but he isn't very expressive verbally. Tanner's speech ability doesn't affect Tanner's ability to have lots of friends -he's a cool kid, and a sweetheart too. Tanner's also received awards at school for helping others who are in pain, or being the only one to remember to help the teacher or other students clean up. We just saw Shark Tail a few weeks ago with two of Dakota and Tanner's friends. When Tanner wanted to describe to everyone what he loved about a movie he as usual kept his comments down to one short sentence, used some gestures and words like " So Cool! " -and ended with a question, " right? " Tanner's knows how to get others to talk -now that's his own strategy! Sounds like your son is on the same track -and he's got you on his side to keep him on the right track! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 I think it's very hard when I child realizes they are different than their peers. Our hearts ache for them. I think you did the right thing the way you talked with him about it. I would point out that everyone is different in their own way. Explain that some people are good at say sports while other people are good at drawing. Find something that he does well at and capitalize on that rather than the negative (difficulty with speech). My son is only 4 and has said one time about how he speaks different but then I have never tried to gloss over his speech problems. I just tell him we have to practice so he gets better. Sus Mom to 20, 18, Dylan 7 and 4 (verbal Apraxia) Quakertown, PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 that is a complete misconception, probably put into the world by those who created vaccines in the first place. if you look at the data, you'll see that every single disease had already declined heavily by the time the vaccine against it was introduced, or, as is the case with newer vaccines, that the disease was rare and non-notifiable and only became more common and notifiable after the vaccine was introduced (as was the case with HIB to name one). the reasons for the disappearance of diseases are NEVER vaccines, they cannot be because there is no scientific basis that suggests that vaccines do anything at all in way of " preventing " any given disease. reasons for diseases disappearing are improved hygiene and improved diet. furthermore, some diseases have not disappeared, but merely renamed. in england for example, you don't get pertussis anymore... you have " temporary viral asthma " or some such fancy name instead. you also don't get measles, instead you have a " viral rash " or " measles-type rash " . polio is guillain-barre syndrome... hth claudia --- Sandy Redding <srr1933@...> wrote: > What is the short and sweet answer to " if everybody > stopped > vaccinating the diseases would come back " . My mom > says this all the > time. She works for Emory Hospital in Atlanta Ga. > She is supportive of > my descision not to vax but at the same time she has > concerns. Our > doctor is semi ok with it. My son goes tomorrow for > his 12 month well > baby visit. He was vaccinted up to his 2 month > shots. After that we > stopped. > > Thanks, > Sandy > > > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/lady_karelia http://www.ladyinthecloak.com " We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion or to a non- existent authority on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the Future. " Wilhelm Reich ____________________________________________________ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 is exactly right. Here are some websites that speak of this very thing: http://www.healthsentinel.com/Vaccines/ http://www.whale.to/a/bystrianyk3.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/graph.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html http://www.ias.org.nz/ias_brochure.pdf Many countries that don't vaccinate as heavily as we do in the U.S. have had the same decline in diseases as we have had. The improved living conditions, sanitation, nutrition, etc. has had the greatest impact on the decline of disease NOT vaccines. Kay Re: What do I say? that is a complete misconception, probably put into the world by those who created vaccines in the first place. if you look at the data, you'll see that every single disease had already declined heavily by the time the vaccine against it was introduced, or, as is the case with newer vaccines, that the disease was rare and non-notifiable and only became more common and notifiable after the vaccine was introduced (as was the case with HIB to name one). the reasons for the disappearance of diseases are NEVER vaccines, they cannot be because there is no scientific basis that suggests that vaccines do anything at all in way of " preventing " any given disease. reasons for diseases disappearing are improved hygiene and improved diet. furthermore, some diseases have not disappeared, but merely renamed. in england for example, you don't get pertussis anymore... you have " temporary viral asthma " or some such fancy name instead. you also don't get measles, instead you have a " viral rash " or " measles-type rash " . polio is guillain-barre syndrome... hth claudia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Thanks for that info Kay and ! You guys are a big help!!! Thanks, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 I say " So what? " they were not really dangerous unless the child had a compromised immune system or the course of the disease was interfered with (like fever reducers, suppressants of the symptoms). Yeah they were a dang nuisance but each generation developed more immunity inherited for parents. they were childhood passages which once acquired and let to assert themselves, GUARANTEED LIFETIME immnity. NO vax can claim that. Laiurie>Oh -- What do I say? What is the short and sweet answer to " if everybody stopped vaccinating the diseases would come back " . My mom says this all the time. She works for Emory Hospital in Atlanta Ga. She is supportive of my descision not to vax but at the same time she has concerns. Our doctor is semi ok with it. My son goes tomorrow for his 12 month well baby visit. He was vaccinted up to his 2 month shots. After that we stopped. Thanks, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 This is SOOOO true. I've had many " discussions " with my sister about the dangers of vaccines for her children AND her dogs. She totally does not believe what I say and says she doesn't have the time to research it for herself. She and her dh have total blind faith in their MDs and vet despite the fact their children are riddled with chronic health issues, as are their dogs. After our last heated discussion, I finally apologized to her and said I totally understood her side. That 5 years ago I was in the very same mind set as she is now. And that I shouldn't expect her to understand where I'm coming from on these issues when she has not done the research that I have done. That has helped ME tremendously. Now it still irks me to no end that she refuses to even check to see if what I'm saying as some truth. I think down deep she is afraid to find out she's wrong. Then where would that leave her? Her faith in the MDs and vets would be totally ruined, and I don't think she's prepared for that. So, she'd rather keep her head in the sand and suffer the consequences. But at least I can understand that those who haven't researched the dangers of vaccines don't have a clue about them, therefore how can I expect them to believe any differently? Kay Re: What do I say? you cant argue with someone who themselves doesnt know the issues and isnt really interested. Cath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 > But at least I can understand that those who haven't researched the dangers of vaccines don't have a clue about them, therefore how can I expect them to believe any differently? > > Kay I agree that it is easier to blindly believe! It's a lot harder to put the burden on yourself at times. I personally find it harder to respond to people who DO do some research but still choose to vaccinate. It blows my mind that people can look at the same info that I do and not be scared. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 , I can so totally relate to what you're saying. Just spent a week with a very intelligent friend to whom I have sent TONS of info. She still chooses to vaccinate completely and is expecting a third child. She's my oldest friend and I would never wish her any harm, but I hope the third time around is still OK for her. But people like that never seem to be the ones who have the problems, have you noticed? Kind of like the drunk driver always lives.... We just choose not to discuss. Actually she does ask me questions but the answers never seem to satisfy her. Sheri B. troy lucas <tlucas@...> wrote: > But at least I can understand that those who haven't researched the dangers of vaccines don't have a clue about them, therefore how can I expect them to believe any differently? > > Kay I agree that it is easier to blindly believe! It's a lot harder to put the burden on yourself at times. I personally find it harder to respond to people who DO do some research but still choose to vaccinate. It blows my mind that people can look at the same info that I do and not be scared. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 My sister's response is always, " I don't know ANYONE who has a vaccine damaged child or animal. " I think she's waiting for someone she knows to have a child or animal die instantly from their vaccines (which DOES happen though it's not usually that immediate and severe). We do have a common friend who's son began having seizures after his toddler shots, and now he's brain damaged. Guess she doesn't count that! (rolling my eyes) Interestingly our friend won't let herself believe it was the shots because she couldn't live with herself for allowing that to be done to him, thinking she was being a " good mom " by having him vaxed. Sad. And of course my sister doesn't link things like asthma, allergies, diabetes, MS, Lupus, autism, learning disabilities, etc. etc. etc. to vaccines because she's not done the research. One can always rationalize away what they don't WANT to believe. I went into my research with an open mind, many are too afraid when the start to find out the truth. It's a big blow to realize the MDs are wrong and those of us who DID vaccinate, we have to acknowledge that we did something very harmful by allowing our children to get injected with all kinds of toxins. Kay *********************************** I agree that it is easier to blindly believe! It's a lot harder to put the burden on yourself at times. I personally find it harder to respond to people who DO do some research but still choose to vaccinate. It blows my mind that people can look at the same info that I do and not be scared. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 My husband also had a boss that was expecting this month and i gathered alot of intf and put it in a small folder for her to take a look at(he had mentioned the subject and she asked him for some info). Within a week the folder was put back on his desk at work without a word mentioned. We are positive she and her husband thought we were weird and not " normal people " . Well, she has since had her baby boy and i am sure he got the usual junk in the hospital. It is so true that sometimes they are the ones that the child will be fine. " We hope " .....and if he is not my husband and i will feel no guilt but also very badly for the little boy. Mona Re: What do I say? you cant argue with someone who themselves doesnt know the issues and isnt really interested. Cath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 > But most kids ARE harmed in some way, but people don't know what a truly > healthy kid is supposed to look like. Our best friend's were just commenting on how their youngest got so sick after the last vaccinations. He's sick and fussy every other week. They can't make the connection. Our kids are " rarely " sick with colds and such and they go to public school and went to daycare their whole lives. If they do get sick, their recovery is so quick. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Hi, I'm new here and have been reading as much as I can, but it's overwhelming. I have 4 children, ages 13,10,8 and 10 mos. I stopped vaxing when my 10 yr. old got his 18 mo. or 2 yr. shots. My oldest got the same ones, but never got his 5 yr. old shots. My youngest two haven't had any shots. Anyways, what interested me in this discussion is the discussion about animal vaccinations. I have 3 cats and a dog. The cats are overdue on their vaccinations and the dog is overdue on his rabies shot. I didn't know that we could opt out of animal vaccinations. What do you do when the state finds out you don't have a rabies shot for your dog? My cats spend most of their time outdoors, so I worry about them catching something. Actually, my cat just caught an upper respiratory infection and was treated..the vet said that he wouldn't have caught it if he had gotten his shots. I still didn't get the shots because I couldn't afford to pay for the shots on top of the treatment for his infection and tapeworm shot. Sorry to ramble about pets, but where can I go for info on pet vaccinations? I just gave my dog his 7 in 1 shot...he's been itching like crazy ever since. I wonder if there's a correlation. Hmmmm... I'm off to read the archives because my son has never been to the doctor (my 10 mo. old) and I'm afraid of what they'll say if I ever HAVE to bring him in. I'm not prepared to argue with a pediatrician about why vaccinations aren't good. I'd have no idea what to say to him and would probably sound like a babbling idiot! LOL! Thanks for any info and I'm sure glad there's a group like this! Jodi in Missouri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 A while back at a play date with a group of other moms, we were all talking about how weird it is that almost all our kids have something wrong with them (this was before my vax research). Almost all of us moms have a specialist at the Children's Hospital for something... one has celiac, one has hormone deficiencies, one with acid reflux and jaundice issues, one w/ food allergies, one w/ epilepsy... and this is just our small group! troy lucas <tlucas@...> wrote: > But most kids ARE harmed in some way, but people don't know what a truly > healthy kid is supposed to look like. Our best friend's were just commenting on how their youngest got so sick after the last vaccinations. He's sick and fussy every other week. They can't make the connection. Our kids are " rarely " sick with colds and such and they go to public school and went to daycare their whole lives. If they do get sick, their recovery is so quick. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 , I think you've just summed it up. Like Kay had mentioned earlier, we hardly know what a healthy child is anymore. My parents made the comment about five years ago when I was still working full time and my son was in day care, as was his cousin. They said that they had never seen so many children out sick with colds, etc... and that when they were coming along it was truly rare to miss a day of school. Now I wonder if that was because their moms sent them to school anyway (LOL) or also because there are just more people nowadays. Still..... we have to concede that kids are just plain sicker! Food allergies? I wish someone could show me some statistics on that one. I had never heard of a kid with food allergies when I was in school. Sheri B. <jsprecourt@...> wrote: A while back at a play date with a group of other moms, we were all talking about how weird it is that almost all our kids have something wrong with them (this was before my vax research). Almost all of us moms have a specialist at the Children's Hospital for something... one has celiac, one has hormone deficiencies, one with acid reflux and jaundice issues, one w/ food allergies, one w/ epilepsy... and this is just our small group! troy lucas <tlucas@...> wrote: > But most kids ARE harmed in some way, but people don't know what a truly > healthy kid is supposed to look like. Our best friend's were just commenting on how their youngest got so sick after the last vaccinations. He's sick and fussy every other week. They can't make the connection. Our kids are " rarely " sick with colds and such and they go to public school and went to daycare their whole lives. If they do get sick, their recovery is so quick. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Welcome Jodi! Please check out the link www.TruthAboutVaccines.org There you will find a place to click on to sign up for the group by the same name. It's as awesome a resource for animal vaccines as this one is for humans. There ARE ways around animal vaccines. And as far as what to tell a pediatrician, you don't owe them ANY explanation as to why you don't vaccinate. You would never win a debate with them, so save your breath and time. : ) Simply stating you don't chose to vaccinate your child is sufficient. If they give you a hard time, find another one! Many people chose to use a chiropractor, naturopath or homeopath instead of an allopathic doctor. My family has used homeopathy exclusively for the last 3 years. I wouldn't use allopathic drugs on my family, so unless we would have a broken bone or trauma injury that couldn't be handled at home, we use homeopathy. Keep asking questions. This is a great place for information and support! Kay Re: Re: What do I say? Anyways, what interested me in this discussion is the discussion about animal vaccinations. I have 3 cats and a dog. The cats are overdue on their vaccinations and the dog is overdue on his rabies shot. I didn't know that we could opt out of animal vaccinations. What do you do when the state finds out you don't have a rabies shot for your dog? My cats spend most of their time outdoors, so I worry about them catching something. Actually, my cat just caught an upper respiratory infection and was treated..the vet said that he wouldn't have caught it if he had gotten his shots. I still didn't get the shots because I couldn't afford to pay for the shots on top of the treatment for his infection and tapeworm shot. Sorry to ramble about pets, but where can I go for info on pet vaccinations? I just gave my dog his 7 in 1 shot...he's been itching like crazy ever since. I wonder if there's a correlation. Hmmmm... I'm off to read the archives because my son has never been to the doctor (my 10 mo. old) and I'm afraid of what they'll say if I ever HAVE to bring him in. I'm not prepared to argue with a pediatrician about why vaccinations aren't good. I'd have no idea what to say to him and would probably sound like a babbling idiot! LOL! Jodi in Missouri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Jodi, Don't ever get into an argument with a ped, you won't change his mind. Just let him know that you have made this decision based on your religious rights and the law, subject closed. Give him the form required by law. Give nothing more, written or verbally than the law requires you to. You have rights, Don't let anyone bully you, especially a ped. Keep copies at home and in your purse in case of an unexpected trip to the emergency room. If your ped complies and doesn't thow you out, expect him to have you sign a waiver with each visit. As for pets, we only have snakes (no shots required) but we wouldn't vaccinate any animal. My advice, seek out web sites regarding alternative pet health care and a Homeopath in you area for your family and pets. Good Luck! Camisha Kentucky mom to Noah, , and Tirzah MISSOURI - IMMUNIZATION EXEMPTIONS by State (includes current statutes, letters & forms)IMMUNIZATION EXEMPTIONS by State (includes current statutes, letters & forms) Missouri Current Statutes & Laws: http://www.909shot.com/state-site/Missouri.htm Medical & Religious A child is exempt if a parent objects in writing to the school administrator that immunization of that child violates his/her religious beliefs. This exemption should be made on a Department of Health and Senior Services Form Imm.P.11A, and shall be placed on file with the school immunization health record. Exemption Letters & Forms... Birth Exemptions: Sample Vaccine Letters From this website... http://www.vaccines.bizland.com/letters.htm Most states now require the Hepatitis B vaccine for newborns. Many parents are also cornered by emergency room personnel during accident visits. Hospitals nationally are under pressure to utilize every opportunity to score a " hit. " If your pediatrician understands your views, get him involved with the hospital. As a last resort, protect your right to receive quality care in the following manner. (Usually, you'll never find anybody in the hospital to sign this simple form): " I certify that the (Name of Vaccine)________ vaccine being administered to (Name of Child)_________ is free from all known and yet unknown zoonotic or human viruses or viral fragments and will not cause acute or chronic illness in the recipient due to viral contamination or as a reaction to the components of this vaccine. (Signature of Physician and Date)_________. " If you do get a signature, hold on to the form. Jodi Harvatin <jodskiinca@...> wrote: Hi, I'm new here and have been reading as much as I can, but it's overwhelming. I have 4 children, ages 13,10,8 and 10 mos. I stopped vaxing when my 10 yr. old got his 18 mo. or 2 yr. shots. My oldest got the same ones, but never got his 5 yr. old shots. My youngest two haven't had any shots. Anyways, what interested me in this discussion is the discussion about animal vaccinations. I have 3 cats and a dog. The cats are overdue on their vaccinations and the dog is overdue on his rabies shot. I didn't know that we could opt out of animal vaccinations. What do you do when the state finds out you don't have a rabies shot for your dog? My cats spend most of their time outdoors, so I worry about them catching something. Actually, my cat just caught an upper respiratory infection and was treated..the vet said that he wouldn't have caught it if he had gotten his shots. I still didn't get the shots because I couldn't afford to pay for the shots on top of the treatment for his infection and tapeworm shot. Sorry to ramble about pets, but where can I go for info on pet vaccinations? I just gave my dog his 7 in 1 shot...he's been itching like crazy ever since. I wonder if there's a correlation. Hmmmm... I'm off to read the archives because my son has never been to the doctor (my 10 mo. old) and I'm afraid of what they'll say if I ever HAVE to bring him in. I'm not prepared to argue with a pediatrician about why vaccinations aren't good. I'd have no idea what to say to him and would probably sound like a babbling idiot! LOL! Thanks for any info and I'm sure glad there's a group like this! Jodi in Missouri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Yes especially peanut buttter or eggs... What kind of allergy is that or milk...Well the milk is definately not the same thing as I used to drink. And now that I am studying Anatomy and Physiology. I am learning more and more that it is not the lactose that these kids are allergic to its other chemicals that they put in the milk. I guess they put less of it in the lactose free milk or the chemical don't bind as well. I don't know it so much homogonize, and chemicals in crap now a days. Even different from 20 years ago. jackie --- " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: > , > > I think you've just summed it up. Like Kay had > mentioned earlier, we hardly know what a healthy > child is anymore. My parents made the comment about > five years ago when I was still working full time > and my son was in day care, as was his cousin. They > said that they had never seen so many children out > sick with colds, etc... and that when they were > coming along it was truly rare to miss a day of > school. > > Now I wonder if that was because their moms sent > them to school anyway (LOL) or also because there > are just more people nowadays. > > Still..... we have to concede that kids are just > plain sicker! Food allergies? I wish someone could > show me some statistics on that one. I had never > heard of a kid with food allergies when I was in > school. > > Sheri B. > > <jsprecourt@...> wrote: > A while back at a play date with a group of other > moms, we were all talking about how weird it is that > almost all our kids have something wrong with them > (this was before my vax research). Almost all of us > moms have a specialist at the Children's Hospital > for something... one has celiac, one has hormone > deficiencies, one with acid reflux and jaundice > issues, one w/ food allergies, one w/ epilepsy... > and this is just our small group! > > > > troy lucas <tlucas@...> wrote: > > > > > But most kids ARE harmed in some way, but people > don't know what a truly > > healthy kid is supposed to look like. > > Our best friend's were just commenting on how their > youngest got so sick > after the last vaccinations. He's sick and fussy > every other week. They > can't make the connection. Our kids are " rarely " > sick with colds and such > and they go to public school and went to daycare > their whole lives. If they > do get sick, their recovery is so quick. > L. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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