Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? OK to increase? I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! Janie > I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe > it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: > FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) > FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) > TSH = 0.00 > > From: " Jamy " <jamyrogers@m...> > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 > > what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did > you start at and when? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is > this > too soon? > ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! Janie > I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe > it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: > FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) > FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) > TSH = 0.00 > > From: " Jamy " <jamyrogers@m...> > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 > > what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did > you start at and when? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is > this > too soon? > ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this > too soon? > ... joan do you mean you've been getting worse as your armour has been increasing? b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Thanks for the YES vote, Janie! Yes, my ferritin is good (75). One more question, should I take the extra 1/2 grain as a 3rd dose.... maybe early evening? I currently take 2 grains at 06:00 and 1 1/2 grain around 2pm or whenever I remember. Or is there a better way to split it up? ...joan All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! Janie > I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe > it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: > FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) > FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) > TSH = 0.00 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is > this > too soon? > ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Thanks for the YES vote, Janie! Yes, my ferritin is good (75). One more question, should I take the extra 1/2 grain as a 3rd dose.... maybe early evening? I currently take 2 grains at 06:00 and 1 1/2 grain around 2pm or whenever I remember. Or is there a better way to split it up? ...joan All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! Janie > I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe > it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: > FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) > FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) > TSH = 0.00 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is > this > too soon? > ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Thanks for the YES vote, Janie! Yes, my ferritin is good (75). One more question, should I take the extra 1/2 grain as a 3rd dose.... maybe early evening? I currently take 2 grains at 06:00 and 1 1/2 grain around 2pm or whenever I remember. Or is there a better way to split it up? ...joan All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! Janie > I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe > it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: > FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) > FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) > TSH = 0.00 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is > this > too soon? > ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I only know that I have a lot more soreness and aches and pains and fatigue than I ever did. I can barely walk by the end of the day or after sitting for more than 15 minutes or so. My temp still fluctuates between high 96's and 97's. All the usual hypo stuff as before, but a lot more soreness and less energy. ...joan > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this > too soon? > ... joan do you mean you've been getting worse as your armour has been increasing? b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I only know that I have a lot more soreness and aches and pains and fatigue than I ever did. I can barely walk by the end of the day or after sitting for more than 15 minutes or so. My temp still fluctuates between high 96's and 97's. All the usual hypo stuff as before, but a lot more soreness and less energy. ...joan > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this > too soon? > ... joan do you mean you've been getting worse as your armour has been increasing? b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I only know that I have a lot more soreness and aches and pains and fatigue than I ever did. I can barely walk by the end of the day or after sitting for more than 15 minutes or so. My temp still fluctuates between high 96's and 97's. All the usual hypo stuff as before, but a lot more soreness and less energy. ...joan > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this > too soon? > ... joan do you mean you've been getting worse as your armour has been increasing? b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 ft4 is EXTREMELY low as well. wow, what a great tsh, though! you got a beeeaaaautiful tsh! lol > > > All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd > raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at > 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you > feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can > rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! > > Janie > >> I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I > believe >> it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: >> FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) >> FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) >> TSH = 0.00 >> >> From: " Jamy " <jamyrogers@m...> >> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 >> >> what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what > dose did >> you start at and when? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've > been >> increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 > weeks since I >> raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains > today or is >> this >> too soon? >> ... joan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 ft4 is EXTREMELY low as well. wow, what a great tsh, though! you got a beeeaaaautiful tsh! lol > > > All I can personally say is if I still felt that horrible, I'd > raise. 4 weeks is long enough to know how you feel. And your labs at > 3 grains showed your Free T3 was still WAY too low. No wonder you > feel so bad! ( And if you Ferritin is optimal, at least you can > rule that out as contributing. Go for it!! > > Janie > >> I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I > believe >> it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: >> FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) >> FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) >> TSH = 0.00 >> >> From: " Jamy " <jamyrogers@m...> >> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 >> >> what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what > dose did >> you start at and when? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've > been >> increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 > weeks since I >> raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains > today or is >> this >> too soon? >> ... joan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 > > I only know that I have a lot more soreness and aches and pains and fatigue > than I ever did. I can barely walk by the end of the day or after sitting > for more than 15 minutes or so. My temp still fluctuates between high > 96's and 97's. All the usual hypo stuff as before, but a lot more > soreness > and less energy. ...joan that is awful and i'm sorry. but i guess the majority opinion so far is to increase and it can't hurt. your temp is low and you're still having hypo symptoms, so go for it. have you had your adrenals tested? if the adrenal output is low, increasing your meds would make you feel worse. best, baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 > > I only know that I have a lot more soreness and aches and pains and fatigue > than I ever did. I can barely walk by the end of the day or after sitting > for more than 15 minutes or so. My temp still fluctuates between high > 96's and 97's. All the usual hypo stuff as before, but a lot more > soreness > and less energy. ...joan that is awful and i'm sorry. but i guess the majority opinion so far is to increase and it can't hurt. your temp is low and you're still having hypo symptoms, so go for it. have you had your adrenals tested? if the adrenal output is low, increasing your meds would make you feel worse. best, baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 >One more question, should I take the extra 1/2 grain as a 3rd >dose.... maybe early evening? I currently take 2 grains at 06:00 >and 1 1/2 grain around 2pm or whenever I remember. Or is there a >better way to split it up? Earlier this year, I read (and can't remember where) that it's a good idea to take a larger amount in the morning to " awaken " the receptors. Not sure about it, but it sounded good. So why not add the extra amount in the morning and see what it does for you? Or, you can add that extra amount at bedtime and observe that, too. I take 2 grains in the morning by 10 am, another 1 grain around 2 pm (or like you, when I remember--haha) and another 1/4 grain when I go to bed (simply because it's convenient to have those little suckers by my bed.) I am wondering if taking that 1/4 grain at night is why I don't seem to need my morning dose so early. All a guess. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Back off 15 mgs for now, then go up 15 mgs at a time, staying on a new dose for 8 wks, until you get back up to where you're wanting to go. Slowly, very slowly. OK to increase? > > I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been > increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I > raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this > too soon? > ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 My temp still fluctuates between high 96's and 97's. ________________ Could it be that you are suffering with some adrenal issues. The aches are a symptom of low cortisol. When I have low adrenal issues, thyroid raises make me feel terrible. I get stiffness in my joints and lots of aches and pains and I find myself sitting around in a kind of miserable daze. Have you tried some adrenal support? It can ease the way to getting the thyroid dose up. Your numbers say you are hypo still. Just being hypo is a strain on the adrenals. But, they need time to recover between raises. So, some adrenal support speeds things up. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 so your ferritin is OK, what about estrogen, progesterone, dhea, etc. Re: OK to increase? I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 so your ferritin is OK, what about estrogen, progesterone, dhea, etc. Re: OK to increase? I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 I don't know about my estrogen, progesterone, dhea levels. I never knew there were tests for these until I joined this board. My new PCP won't test me for these. He wants to send me to a gynecologist. Heck, they are the ones who put me on premarin, provera, etc. , when I had a hysterectomy 15 yrs ago, so what do they know? He's giving me a referral to an endo. Yeah, I know.... no help there. This endo is on Armour's website, but won't give my mother Armour. But he did test her DHEA, at my request. So, I'm hoping he'll test those hormones for me. In the meantime, I'm suffering. Will be a long wait to see the doctor, get tested, if possible, etc. So I'm struggling with what to do while I wait for all that to happen. .... joan Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:29:40 -0700 so your ferritin is OK, what about estrogen, progesterone, dhea, etc. Re: OK to increase? I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 I don't know about my estrogen, progesterone, dhea levels. I never knew there were tests for these until I joined this board. My new PCP won't test me for these. He wants to send me to a gynecologist. Heck, they are the ones who put me on premarin, provera, etc. , when I had a hysterectomy 15 yrs ago, so what do they know? He's giving me a referral to an endo. Yeah, I know.... no help there. This endo is on Armour's website, but won't give my mother Armour. But he did test her DHEA, at my request. So, I'm hoping he'll test those hormones for me. In the meantime, I'm suffering. Will be a long wait to see the doctor, get tested, if possible, etc. So I'm struggling with what to do while I wait for all that to happen. .... joan Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:29:40 -0700 so your ferritin is OK, what about estrogen, progesterone, dhea, etc. Re: OK to increase? I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 I don't know about my estrogen, progesterone, dhea levels. I never knew there were tests for these until I joined this board. My new PCP won't test me for these. He wants to send me to a gynecologist. Heck, they are the ones who put me on premarin, provera, etc. , when I had a hysterectomy 15 yrs ago, so what do they know? He's giving me a referral to an endo. Yeah, I know.... no help there. This endo is on Armour's website, but won't give my mother Armour. But he did test her DHEA, at my request. So, I'm hoping he'll test those hormones for me. In the meantime, I'm suffering. Will be a long wait to see the doctor, get tested, if possible, etc. So I'm struggling with what to do while I wait for all that to happen. .... joan Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:29:40 -0700 so your ferritin is OK, what about estrogen, progesterone, dhea, etc. Re: OK to increase? I started at what the conversion chart said for .125 Synthroid - I believe it was 1 1/4 grains - in April. My last labs were at 3 grains: FT3 = 2.32 (1.45-3.48) FT4 = 0.73 (0.75-1.91) TSH = 0.00 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0700 what were all you levels when you started increasing and at what dose did you start at and when? ----- Original Message ----- I'm on 3 1/2 grains of Armour and never felt worse. I've been increasing 1/2 grain at a time. It's been a little over 4 weeks since I raised to current level. Is it OK to go to 4 grains today or is this too soon? ... joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Tish, Do you mean that you don't have to have palpitations to indicate low adrenal issues? Gee, it seems I've had more stiffness and aches & pains since I recently increased my Armour. I had no idea that could be an indication of adrenal issues. in Va. My temp still fluctuates between high 96's and 97's. ________________ Could it be that you are suffering with some adrenal issues. The aches are a symptom of low cortisol. When I have low adrenal issues, thyroid raises make me feel terrible. I get stiffness in my joints and lots of aches and pains and I find myself sitting around in a kind of miserable daze. Have you tried some adrenal support? It can ease the way to getting the thyroid dose up. Your numbers say you are hypo still. Just being hypo is a strain on the adrenals. But, they need time to recover between raises. So, some adrenal support speeds things up. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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