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[Guest guest]

,

I too tried eating 60-70% raw. It was terrific. I felt great!! However, I

had incredible flatulence and indigestion whenever I would eat any cooked

food. However, I loved the added energy and how it made me feel, but the

downside of eating cooked food made me feel terrible for a couple of days

afterward. I continued reading about it, an author suggested dousing myself

with additional enzymes before eating a cooked meal (from time to time). I

bought lots of non- cook books for variety. I work at home and have lots of

time on my hands to prepare the fresh/raw meals (it's pretty time

consuming). Lots of benefits -- lots of work. However, I couldn't sustain

it long term though. My goal was to feel better and to lose weight. I felt

terrific. The weight hardly budged!

Good luck,

Maxine

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[Guest guest]

I have been reading up on Raw foods for a while now, but the verdict is

still out for me. It's like when you are ill it's very difficult making such

radical changes. Although some of the people termed as Natural Hygienists think

being ill is radical.

I have made a start with the Raw diet, but I am reluctant to take it too far

at the moment.

There is a site out there called 'Eat More Raw' put together by some thyroid

sufferers, it offers support on Thyroid disorders and anyone wanting to do

the raw thing.

kate

[Guest guest]

It is difficult, . I did it for 2 years. I followed the Hallelujah

diet, www.hacres.com. I did well until I developed low B12. At the

time, they weren't advocating supplementing with B12 but they do now. I

hope to get back to the diet better some day. I do try to include a huge

salad daily. Do what you can. Whatever you do in the right direction is

better for your health.

in Va.

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[Guest guest]

H i, Maxine,

I did lose weight as well. I think I lost about 30 lbs. Were you

exercising too? I was walking daily.

in Va.

,

I too tried eating 60-70% raw. It was terrific. I felt great!!

However, I

had incredible flatulence and indigestion whenever I would eat any

cooked

food. However, I loved the added energy and how it made me feel, but

the

downside of eating cooked food made me feel terrible for a couple of

days

afterward. I continued reading about it, an author suggested dousing

myself

with additional enzymes before eating a cooked meal (from time to time).

I

bought lots of non- cook books for variety. I work at home and have

lots of

time on my hands to prepare the fresh/raw meals (it's pretty time

consuming). Lots of benefits -- lots of work. However, I couldn't

sustain

it long term though. My goal was to feel better and to lose weight. I

felt

terrific. The weight hardly budged!

Good luck,

Maxine

[Guest guest]

This is just my two cents on the Hallelujah Diet.

I followed it for 3 years and juiced the whole time. That whole time I was hypo

and undiagnosed. I turned orange which the people at Hallelujah Acres told me

was detoxification which in reality was my body not converting betacarotene into

Vit. A. Hypo's don't do that well. I thought with all my heart at the time

that at least a vegetarian diet was good and a raw vegan diet must be the best.

Luckily a friend told me about the Weston A. Price foundation and Dr. Price's

work with traditional peoples and their diet. It turned my life around. I do

believe that people need animal protein and saturated fat.

I believe that the people at Hallelujah Acres are sincere in thinking that this

way of eating is the best but I know people in the upper organization that have

left after deciding that they were not well on the diet. Chet Day is one and he

has his own website now. It is very confusing with all the info out there on

diet and what is good and what is not good and what is being purported to be

good only to sell a product - soy being one.

Just my thoughts, hope it helps someone.

Deb

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

It is difficult, . I did it for 2 years. I followed the Hallelujah

diet, www.hacres.com. I did well until I developed low B12. At the

time, they weren't advocating supplementing with B12 but they do now. I

hope to get back to the diet better some day. I do try to include a huge

salad daily. Do what you can. Whatever you do in the right direction is

better for your health.

in Va.

> _Shazzie.com > The raw food diet > Raw Transformation > _

> (http://www.shazzie.com/raw/transformation/jaime.shtml)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is just my two cents on the Hallelujah Diet.

I followed it for 3 years and juiced the whole time. That whole time I was hypo

and undiagnosed. I turned orange which the people at Hallelujah Acres told me

was detoxification which in reality was my body not converting betacarotene into

Vit. A. Hypo's don't do that well. I thought with all my heart at the time

that at least a vegetarian diet was good and a raw vegan diet must be the best.

Luckily a friend told me about the Weston A. Price foundation and Dr. Price's

work with traditional peoples and their diet. It turned my life around. I do

believe that people need animal protein and saturated fat.

I believe that the people at Hallelujah Acres are sincere in thinking that this

way of eating is the best but I know people in the upper organization that have

left after deciding that they were not well on the diet. Chet Day is one and he

has his own website now. It is very confusing with all the info out there on

diet and what is good and what is not good and what is being purported to be

good only to sell a product - soy being one.

Just my thoughts, hope it helps someone.

Deb

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

It is difficult, . I did it for 2 years. I followed the Hallelujah

diet, www.hacres.com. I did well until I developed low B12. At the

time, they weren't advocating supplementing with B12 but they do now. I

hope to get back to the diet better some day. I do try to include a huge

salad daily. Do what you can. Whatever you do in the right direction is

better for your health.

in Va.

> _Shazzie.com > The raw food diet > Raw Transformation > _

> (http://www.shazzie.com/raw/transformation/jaime.shtml)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is just my two cents on the Hallelujah Diet.

I followed it for 3 years and juiced the whole time. That whole time I was hypo

and undiagnosed. I turned orange which the people at Hallelujah Acres told me

was detoxification which in reality was my body not converting betacarotene into

Vit. A. Hypo's don't do that well. I thought with all my heart at the time

that at least a vegetarian diet was good and a raw vegan diet must be the best.

Luckily a friend told me about the Weston A. Price foundation and Dr. Price's

work with traditional peoples and their diet. It turned my life around. I do

believe that people need animal protein and saturated fat.

I believe that the people at Hallelujah Acres are sincere in thinking that this

way of eating is the best but I know people in the upper organization that have

left after deciding that they were not well on the diet. Chet Day is one and he

has his own website now. It is very confusing with all the info out there on

diet and what is good and what is not good and what is being purported to be

good only to sell a product - soy being one.

Just my thoughts, hope it helps someone.

Deb

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

It is difficult, . I did it for 2 years. I followed the Hallelujah

diet, www.hacres.com. I did well until I developed low B12. At the

time, they weren't advocating supplementing with B12 but they do now. I

hope to get back to the diet better some day. I do try to include a huge

salad daily. Do what you can. Whatever you do in the right direction is

better for your health.

in Va.

> _Shazzie.com > The raw food diet > Raw Transformation > _

> (http://www.shazzie.com/raw/transformation/jaime.shtml)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is alot of evidence that low fat diets do not work well to lose weight; we

need some fat no matter what the last 40+ years of diet dictocrats have said.

Deb

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H i, Maxine,

I did lose weight as well. I think I lost about 30 lbs. Were you

exercising too? I was walking daily.

in Va.

,

I too tried eating 60-70% raw. It was terrific. I felt great!!

However, I

had incredible flatulence and indigestion whenever I would eat any

cooked

food. However, I loved the added energy and how it made me feel, but

the

downside of eating cooked food made me feel terrible for a couple of

days

afterward. I continued reading about it, an author suggested dousing

myself

with additional enzymes before eating a cooked meal (from time to time).

I

bought lots of non- cook books for variety. I work at home and have

lots of

time on my hands to prepare the fresh/raw meals (it's pretty time

consuming). Lots of benefits -- lots of work. However, I couldn't

sustain

it long term though. My goal was to feel better and to lose weight. I

felt

terrific. The weight hardly budged!

Good luck,

Maxine

[Guest guest]

There is alot of evidence that low fat diets do not work well to lose weight; we

need some fat no matter what the last 40+ years of diet dictocrats have said.

Deb

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

H i, Maxine,

I did lose weight as well. I think I lost about 30 lbs. Were you

exercising too? I was walking daily.

in Va.

,

I too tried eating 60-70% raw. It was terrific. I felt great!!

However, I

had incredible flatulence and indigestion whenever I would eat any

cooked

food. However, I loved the added energy and how it made me feel, but

the

downside of eating cooked food made me feel terrible for a couple of

days

afterward. I continued reading about it, an author suggested dousing

myself

with additional enzymes before eating a cooked meal (from time to time).

I

bought lots of non- cook books for variety. I work at home and have

lots of

time on my hands to prepare the fresh/raw meals (it's pretty time

consuming). Lots of benefits -- lots of work. However, I couldn't

sustain

it long term though. My goal was to feel better and to lose weight. I

felt

terrific. The weight hardly budged!

Good luck,

Maxine

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat throughout

that 3 year period.

What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

include greens and plant fat?

I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat throughout

that 3 year period.

What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

include greens and plant fat?

I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat throughout

that 3 year period.

What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

include greens and plant fat?

I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

[Guest guest]

Kate,

I juiced, ate salads, some fruit, alot of veggies but could never quite give up

meat altogether. I think it is a good thing I couldn't because we need animal

protein and saturated fat. Weston A. Price suggests about 50% raw I believe. I

don't juice anymore because of the conversion problem. Maybe when I am on

optimal dosage I can juice again sparingly. Deb

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

Hi Deb,

I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat throughout

that 3 year period.

What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

include greens and plant fat?

I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

[Guest guest]

>Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

Hi Kate,

It's the LIVE enzymes that are so beneficial whether directly from raw foods

or freeze-dried supplements (at controlled temp). If you're having

coloration difficulty, why not try ingesting the enzymes as supplements? I

take Garden of Life (Perfect Food) and Cell Tech's Enzyme Formula (don't

remember the exact name). I ended up with supplements because all the raw

gave me indigestion and flatulence. I don't have that problem with

supplements, then adding lots of raw foods as part of my diet.

That's my two cents!

Maxine

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

Hi Deb,

I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat throughout

that 3 year period.

What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

include greens and plant fat?

I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

[Guest guest]

I've been on the raw foods & veggie juices diet before years ago. Raw juice

fasts too. But I cannot do that anymore...too expensive & too much work.

I felt better while on it & even cured myself of quite a few maladies. But not

the spinal pathology aches & pains. That's just something I have to live with.

But they say not to eat fruit of any kind if you're at all hypoglycemic or have

a tendency toward diabetes. Also they say that fruits are for cleansing the

system, while vegetables are for healing...especially green leafy veggies. And,

according to Dr. Deepak Chopra & others, to ingest all the colors of the rainbow

(full spectrum light) in vegetables every day to get all the phytonutrients

necessary for optimum health. And if there's any arthritic problems at all,

don't eat any below-the-ground veggies like potatoes, carrots, onions, garlic,

turnips or other root vegetables as they're from the nightshade family & cause

all kinds of problems, especially adding to depression. I find I do better when

I don't eat root veggies, only those grown above the ground.

Just my two cents on the subject.

Caroline

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

Hi Deb,

I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat throughout

that 3 year period.

What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

include greens and plant fat?

I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

[Guest guest]

Yes, raw foods & juices can cause digestive miseries, no doubt. So it's best to

have some warm foods too. Enzymes are the best bet in supplement form for that,

I agree.

Since I can no longer prepare the raw veggies for juicing every day, I've

switched to using the green powders twice a day in a smoothie. Like Spirulina

& /or Wheat Grass Powder or others with other things added to the mix.

That's all I have in the morning & it carries me through till lunch time & a big

salad. That's been working fine for me so far with another smoothie with dinner

& tons of liquids to drink, mostly water, in between meals or even with meals.

I've found it curbs carb & sweets cravings quite well & keeps me well nourished

& keeps the weight off as well. My weight never goes over 20 pounds either way.

So I'm very glad I don't have that problem but I have to stay on top of it. If I

get off my diet & splurge on " comfort foods " , then I feel badly again.

But a short 3-day fast will cure that generally, then get me back on track. We

can't be saints or perfect at doing this all the time. At least I haven't been

successful at being that strict with my eating habits 365 days a year. So

knowing what to do to get back on track after we've fallen off the wagon, so to

speak, is a good thing to know as well.

Caroline

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

>Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

Hi Kate,

It's the LIVE enzymes that are so beneficial whether directly from raw foods

or freeze-dried supplements (at controlled temp).

[Guest guest]

Yes, raw foods & juices can cause digestive miseries, no doubt. So it's best to

have some warm foods too. Enzymes are the best bet in supplement form for that,

I agree.

Since I can no longer prepare the raw veggies for juicing every day, I've

switched to using the green powders twice a day in a smoothie. Like Spirulina

& /or Wheat Grass Powder or others with other things added to the mix.

That's all I have in the morning & it carries me through till lunch time & a big

salad. That's been working fine for me so far with another smoothie with dinner

& tons of liquids to drink, mostly water, in between meals or even with meals.

I've found it curbs carb & sweets cravings quite well & keeps me well nourished

& keeps the weight off as well. My weight never goes over 20 pounds either way.

So I'm very glad I don't have that problem but I have to stay on top of it. If I

get off my diet & splurge on " comfort foods " , then I feel badly again.

But a short 3-day fast will cure that generally, then get me back on track. We

can't be saints or perfect at doing this all the time. At least I haven't been

successful at being that strict with my eating habits 365 days a year. So

knowing what to do to get back on track after we've fallen off the wagon, so to

speak, is a good thing to know as well.

Caroline

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

>Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

Hi Kate,

It's the LIVE enzymes that are so beneficial whether directly from raw foods

or freeze-dried supplements (at controlled temp).

[Guest guest]

Yes, raw foods & juices can cause digestive miseries, no doubt. So it's best to

have some warm foods too. Enzymes are the best bet in supplement form for that,

I agree.

Since I can no longer prepare the raw veggies for juicing every day, I've

switched to using the green powders twice a day in a smoothie. Like Spirulina

& /or Wheat Grass Powder or others with other things added to the mix.

That's all I have in the morning & it carries me through till lunch time & a big

salad. That's been working fine for me so far with another smoothie with dinner

& tons of liquids to drink, mostly water, in between meals or even with meals.

I've found it curbs carb & sweets cravings quite well & keeps me well nourished

& keeps the weight off as well. My weight never goes over 20 pounds either way.

So I'm very glad I don't have that problem but I have to stay on top of it. If I

get off my diet & splurge on " comfort foods " , then I feel badly again.

But a short 3-day fast will cure that generally, then get me back on track. We

can't be saints or perfect at doing this all the time. At least I haven't been

successful at being that strict with my eating habits 365 days a year. So

knowing what to do to get back on track after we've fallen off the wagon, so to

speak, is a good thing to know as well.

Caroline

RE: Re: Check this out everyone

>Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is no

denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

kate

Hi Kate,

It's the LIVE enzymes that are so beneficial whether directly from raw foods

or freeze-dried supplements (at controlled temp).

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

that's interesting. I also find it hard to give up meat. I will have to

check out Western Price website to find out more.

I'm curious though, how does juicing effect your conversion problem?

kate

[Guest guest]

Oh Letitia, that's such a nice name.

I have to Thank You for all your mail and looking after me this week, it's

been a long week with Jim being away, and me feeling so debilitated. Your mail

has been a huge support and comfort.

I guess we have to laugh at our madness or we probably would go mad! I do

look back at past events and try to see reason in everything. It's strange that

while we are on this subject, my half sister called me last night. She hardly

ever calls. We got talking about our lives (we share the same father) and

she has also been greatly effected by her past and relationship with her

mother. what struck me though was that my father always seems to get off

lightly

and maybe we don't understand the mental anguish our mothers went through. It

was so different for women in those day's. Hormones were not greatly

understood, and so many women in this country were institutionalised, and

classed as

crazy. Their only real support were tranquillisers and sleeping pills, or in

my mothers case, large bottles of scotch whiskey.

She became very violent and unpredictable. I suffered badly with my nerves

as I never knew what to expect when I got home from school. If my mum answered

the door in her head scarf and rollers, I knew I was safe, and would hug her,

but if I turned up and she had her hair back combed (jet black) and her

dreadful green eyeshadow on, then I knew to run a mile!!

Consequently I developed a bad case of OCD. Now, we could have a giggle

about that!

I felt sorry for my sister last night as she is obviously quite screwed up

about it all, she goes on about past life regression and all that jazz!

I think we are all a bit nut's because we 3 girls have the Thyroid thing

going on and I have another half brother who lives in South Africa and he is a

religious evangelical minister. Hallelujah!

It must be difficult avoiding everything with wheat. Did you have special

tests done for this?

Although I guess there are lots of alternatives to bread and pasta. What

about CAKE! Oh No!

I got intouch with Duncan Crow, he said he didn't cure himself of Hashi's

but he has cured other autoimmune diseases! He said if I want I could be next.

Do you think I should persue his offer?

I think I better read up a bit more on what that offer really is. He gave a

very brief explanation of autoimmune disease. I will think about this one.

It's ridiculous what we have to pay out. Over here we have the NHS but really

it's quite bad. These day's I think you have to learn to be your own doctor.

Dr. Peatfield is very nice but in all honesty he didn't tell me anything

different from what you have been saying. He also can't prescribe Armour but

say's he can get me some, indirectly of course.

Actually Tish, I meant to ask you, can I get mine over the net without a

prescribtion? Where is it again you get yours?

Anyhow, still pretty tired and quite dizzy today. My man's back tomorrow and

Oh how I will indulge myself in relaxation! I did laugh as most women ask

there men to return with lovely perfumes and duty free's, mine has been on a

mad man hunt for my bloody hormones!!

All the best from your fellow Mad Cow.

kate

[Guest guest]

Oh Letitia, that's such a nice name.

I have to Thank You for all your mail and looking after me this week, it's

been a long week with Jim being away, and me feeling so debilitated. Your mail

has been a huge support and comfort.

I guess we have to laugh at our madness or we probably would go mad! I do

look back at past events and try to see reason in everything. It's strange that

while we are on this subject, my half sister called me last night. She hardly

ever calls. We got talking about our lives (we share the same father) and

she has also been greatly effected by her past and relationship with her

mother. what struck me though was that my father always seems to get off

lightly

and maybe we don't understand the mental anguish our mothers went through. It

was so different for women in those day's. Hormones were not greatly

understood, and so many women in this country were institutionalised, and

classed as

crazy. Their only real support were tranquillisers and sleeping pills, or in

my mothers case, large bottles of scotch whiskey.

She became very violent and unpredictable. I suffered badly with my nerves

as I never knew what to expect when I got home from school. If my mum answered

the door in her head scarf and rollers, I knew I was safe, and would hug her,

but if I turned up and she had her hair back combed (jet black) and her

dreadful green eyeshadow on, then I knew to run a mile!!

Consequently I developed a bad case of OCD. Now, we could have a giggle

about that!

I felt sorry for my sister last night as she is obviously quite screwed up

about it all, she goes on about past life regression and all that jazz!

I think we are all a bit nut's because we 3 girls have the Thyroid thing

going on and I have another half brother who lives in South Africa and he is a

religious evangelical minister. Hallelujah!

It must be difficult avoiding everything with wheat. Did you have special

tests done for this?

Although I guess there are lots of alternatives to bread and pasta. What

about CAKE! Oh No!

I got intouch with Duncan Crow, he said he didn't cure himself of Hashi's

but he has cured other autoimmune diseases! He said if I want I could be next.

Do you think I should persue his offer?

I think I better read up a bit more on what that offer really is. He gave a

very brief explanation of autoimmune disease. I will think about this one.

It's ridiculous what we have to pay out. Over here we have the NHS but really

it's quite bad. These day's I think you have to learn to be your own doctor.

Dr. Peatfield is very nice but in all honesty he didn't tell me anything

different from what you have been saying. He also can't prescribe Armour but

say's he can get me some, indirectly of course.

Actually Tish, I meant to ask you, can I get mine over the net without a

prescribtion? Where is it again you get yours?

Anyhow, still pretty tired and quite dizzy today. My man's back tomorrow and

Oh how I will indulge myself in relaxation! I did laugh as most women ask

there men to return with lovely perfumes and duty free's, mine has been on a

mad man hunt for my bloody hormones!!

All the best from your fellow Mad Cow.

kate

[Guest guest]

It's harder for us to convert beta carotene to Vitamin A, when chronically

hypo.

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

>

> Hi Deb,

> I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat

throughout

> that 3 year period.

> What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

> include greens and plant fat?

> I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

>

> Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is

no

> denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

It's harder for us to convert beta carotene to Vitamin A, when chronically

hypo.

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

>

> Hi Deb,

> I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat

throughout

> that 3 year period.

> What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

> include greens and plant fat?

> I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

>

> Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is

no

> denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

It's harder for us to convert beta carotene to Vitamin A, when chronically

hypo.

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

>

> Hi Deb,

> I would be really interested to know what kinds of foods you eat

throughout

> that 3 year period.

> What percentage of Raw foods did you eat? Was it mostly fruit, did you

> include greens and plant fat?

> I too had tried the juicing thing and I also went very orange!

>

> Maybe 70- 80% raw vegan foods would be ideal. I don't know. But there is

no

> denying the fact they must be pretty good for you, hey!

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

This is still ongoing today. So what else is new?

Re: Re: Check this out everyone

maybe we don't understand the mental anguish our mothers went through. It

was so different for women in those day's. Hormones were not greatly

understood, and so many women in this country were institutionalised, and

classed as crazy. Their only real support were tranquillisers and sleeping

pills, or in

my mothers case, large bottles of scotch whiskey.