Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Don't go Stacey as I appreciate your posts. I know I need to lose weight for health reasons but I hope you and Allan if not already gone stays. If we just remember that all the information is good and if not interested in a particular post one can delete. I learned well how to delete with the TV commercials and I know how to do it here, LOL!!! I often delete posts on insulin if too deep for me or even meds. But I don't understand some things and my eyes don't want to read anymore than I have to. ml staceypmartin@... wrote: > > Well, as I'm one of the people who doesn't let misinformation about weight > just go by, I'm sorry that my views have chased someone off the list, that was > never my intent. > > My intent is only to provide a viewpoint that is contrary to what is > commonly accepted. To show another way of thinking about disease and health. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Don't go Stacey as I appreciate your posts. I know I need to lose weight for health reasons but I hope you and Allan if not already gone stays. If we just remember that all the information is good and if not interested in a particular post one can delete. I learned well how to delete with the TV commercials and I know how to do it here, LOL!!! I often delete posts on insulin if too deep for me or even meds. But I don't understand some things and my eyes don't want to read anymore than I have to. ml staceypmartin@... wrote: > > Well, as I'm one of the people who doesn't let misinformation about weight > just go by, I'm sorry that my views have chased someone off the list, that was > never my intent. > > My intent is only to provide a viewpoint that is contrary to what is > commonly accepted. To show another way of thinking about disease and health. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 To get to my ideal weight I need to lose 130 pounds. That is my ideal weight not what my dr thinks I need to lose. I have come to the conclusion I am to lazy to lose it. I think about it. I actually sometimes get up in the morning with all good intentions on watching what I eat but it never happens. When I was first diagnosed in 1991, I went on my own version of a diet. I exercised everyday for an h our at a local gym, and in 3 months I lost 52 pounds. Then I hit that plateau. Nothing helped and I got discouraged. I gained it all back plus some. Then about 2 or 3 years ago I got deathly ill, thought I was dying. Dr.s couldnt find out what was wrong for a very long time. I lost 60 pounds. Had a couple of surgeries including bypass and I weigh more now than I ever have. I use food for a comfort thing and I have needed lots of comfort in the last 3 years. I must lose weight. I can hardly do anything any more. But my mind just isnt set to that mode. I so understand everyone's delima (sp). I will not make excuses for myself tho. Jan Haney T2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 To get to my ideal weight I need to lose 130 pounds. That is my ideal weight not what my dr thinks I need to lose. I have come to the conclusion I am to lazy to lose it. I think about it. I actually sometimes get up in the morning with all good intentions on watching what I eat but it never happens. When I was first diagnosed in 1991, I went on my own version of a diet. I exercised everyday for an h our at a local gym, and in 3 months I lost 52 pounds. Then I hit that plateau. Nothing helped and I got discouraged. I gained it all back plus some. Then about 2 or 3 years ago I got deathly ill, thought I was dying. Dr.s couldnt find out what was wrong for a very long time. I lost 60 pounds. Had a couple of surgeries including bypass and I weigh more now than I ever have. I use food for a comfort thing and I have needed lots of comfort in the last 3 years. I must lose weight. I can hardly do anything any more. But my mind just isnt set to that mode. I so understand everyone's delima (sp). I will not make excuses for myself tho. Jan Haney T2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I am hoping doesn't leave the list. I have been off and on this list for a number of years, but personally I feel that it is the best it has ever been right now. Out of the 936 members we sure have a lot of lurkers that I would like to see jump in once in a while. But it IS a forum (a public meeting place for open discussion) and we can join in, agree with each other or disagree. But what we can't do is tell someone how to think or to think just like one person . Jo in Minnesota Re: Differences in Views > Well, as I'm one of the people who doesn't let misinformation about weight > just go by, I'm sorry that my views have chased someone off the list, that > was > never my intent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I am hoping doesn't leave the list. I have been off and on this list for a number of years, but personally I feel that it is the best it has ever been right now. Out of the 936 members we sure have a lot of lurkers that I would like to see jump in once in a while. But it IS a forum (a public meeting place for open discussion) and we can join in, agree with each other or disagree. But what we can't do is tell someone how to think or to think just like one person . Jo in Minnesota Re: Differences in Views > Well, as I'm one of the people who doesn't let misinformation about weight > just go by, I'm sorry that my views have chased someone off the list, that > was > never my intent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I am hoping doesn't leave the list. I have been off and on this list for a number of years, but personally I feel that it is the best it has ever been right now. Out of the 936 members we sure have a lot of lurkers that I would like to see jump in once in a while. But it IS a forum (a public meeting place for open discussion) and we can join in, agree with each other or disagree. But what we can't do is tell someone how to think or to think just like one person . Jo in Minnesota Re: Differences in Views > Well, as I'm one of the people who doesn't let misinformation about weight > just go by, I'm sorry that my views have chased someone off the list, that > was > never my intent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Amen lou! cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Amen lou! cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Amen lou! cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Jan: I hope you understand & don't feel that I sit in judgement of anyone on the weight issue. I am NOT saying do as I do & I am not saying one cannot get diabetes control unless you do because I don't believe that is true. My only concern in the issue Alan brought up was that some would be likely to get very discouraged & perhaps angry if they went thru the weight loss struggle & then discovered that it did not really help their control all that much as happened to me. I think that doctor's keep singing that refrain because they always have, not because they know absolutely, scientifically that it is true. As we have all discovered one has to take whatever the medicos say with a big grain (perhaps a sack full) of salt & not believe everything they say just because it comes from " professionals " . One does what one can when one can. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Jan: I hope you understand & don't feel that I sit in judgement of anyone on the weight issue. I am NOT saying do as I do & I am not saying one cannot get diabetes control unless you do because I don't believe that is true. My only concern in the issue Alan brought up was that some would be likely to get very discouraged & perhaps angry if they went thru the weight loss struggle & then discovered that it did not really help their control all that much as happened to me. I think that doctor's keep singing that refrain because they always have, not because they know absolutely, scientifically that it is true. As we have all discovered one has to take whatever the medicos say with a big grain (perhaps a sack full) of salt & not believe everything they say just because it comes from " professionals " . One does what one can when one can. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 to get to my ideal weight I need to grow to be 8 ft 6 in. :-) Lynda Jan Haney wrote: > To get to my ideal weight I need to lose 130 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 to get to my ideal weight I need to grow to be 8 ft 6 in. :-) Lynda Jan Haney wrote: > To get to my ideal weight I need to lose 130 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 to get to my ideal weight I need to grow to be 8 ft 6 in. :-) Lynda Jan Haney wrote: > To get to my ideal weight I need to lose 130 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I agree absolutely Jo-- " my way or the highway " is not the appropriate adult response. It is a bit childish to expect that others will conform their viewpoint to one's own just because one thinks the medical establishment sanctions that opinion. However I think Alan just wanted to stop being attacked for expressing his own view. This could have been accomplished by blocking certain posters or he could have accepted that others had the right to differing views & learned to ignore them. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I agree absolutely Jo-- " my way or the highway " is not the appropriate adult response. It is a bit childish to expect that others will conform their viewpoint to one's own just because one thinks the medical establishment sanctions that opinion. However I think Alan just wanted to stop being attacked for expressing his own view. This could have been accomplished by blocking certain posters or he could have accepted that others had the right to differing views & learned to ignore them. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I agree absolutely Jo-- " my way or the highway " is not the appropriate adult response. It is a bit childish to expect that others will conform their viewpoint to one's own just because one thinks the medical establishment sanctions that opinion. However I think Alan just wanted to stop being attacked for expressing his own view. This could have been accomplished by blocking certain posters or he could have accepted that others had the right to differing views & learned to ignore them. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Cappie, I have to disagree with your statement about the diabetic trigger turned on by obesity. I think it's probably the other way around: diabetes causes weight gain and also makes it hard to lose weight. In any case, it was not true for me, because I was never obese. I think that I became overweight as a result of diabetes. I think mine might have started when I was in my thirties, when I weighed about 125. In looking back, I can see lots of signs that I didn't know were signs of diabetes. Hindsight is always 20/20. Sue > > According to the latest research, once that full blown diabetic trigger > is turned on by obesity, just losing weight is not going to turn it off > again--it would be nice if it did but it does not. Losing weight can > help SOME people with bg levels & it certainly helps in all kinds of > other stuff tho.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Sue I will have to find the source for my statement. The study was released just a month or so ago. It found that once that genetic switch was triggered by obesity that it could not be turned off again. Of course that explains why there is no cure yet for the diseasse outside of transplants. This is why if one is predisposed to diabetes it is so important to delay the triggering by maintaining a heathy weight & a lower carb lifestyle. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Sue I will have to find the source for my statement. The study was released just a month or so ago. It found that once that genetic switch was triggered by obesity that it could not be turned off again. Of course that explains why there is no cure yet for the diseasse outside of transplants. This is why if one is predisposed to diabetes it is so important to delay the triggering by maintaining a heathy weight & a lower carb lifestyle. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Sue I will have to find the source for my statement. The study was released just a month or so ago. It found that once that genetic switch was triggered by obesity that it could not be turned off again. Of course that explains why there is no cure yet for the diseasse outside of transplants. This is why if one is predisposed to diabetes it is so important to delay the triggering by maintaining a heathy weight & a lower carb lifestyle. cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Sue--of course not every T2 is obese but the majority are. The obesity worsens as uncontrolled diabetes causes uncontrolled hunger. I am sure that there are other pathways that trigger the disease in lean T2's. Of course you may have been originally been a LADA who progressed rapidly also. Who knows? cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Sue--of course not every T2 is obese but the majority are. The obesity worsens as uncontrolled diabetes causes uncontrolled hunger. I am sure that there are other pathways that trigger the disease in lean T2's. Of course you may have been originally been a LADA who progressed rapidly also. Who knows? cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Sue--of course not every T2 is obese but the majority are. The obesity worsens as uncontrolled diabetes causes uncontrolled hunger. I am sure that there are other pathways that trigger the disease in lean T2's. Of course you may have been originally been a LADA who progressed rapidly also. Who knows? cappie Greater Boston Area T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E, Policosanol, fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin, Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg 4/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309), 5' tall /age 67, cappie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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