calming down excess cortisol

[Guest guest]

I have read that aerobic exercise does increase cortisol, but that would

only be if your adrenals still have the capability to increase their own

cortisol. In adrenal fatigue, they've shrunken and lost their ability to do

this. Whether they can recover completely remains to be seen, although some

report that theirs gradually recovered. Not with added stressors, however.

Gentle exercise would be better while in recovery, but I can't say about

later, when a person is feeling stronger, maybe some long walks would help.

I love to walk.

Re: Re: calming down excess cortisol

>

> In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> littlenancy@... writes:

>

> > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it

>

> i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

I have read that aerobic exercise does increase cortisol, but that would

only be if your adrenals still have the capability to increase their own

cortisol. In adrenal fatigue, they've shrunken and lost their ability to do

this. Whether they can recover completely remains to be seen, although some

report that theirs gradually recovered. Not with added stressors, however.

Gentle exercise would be better while in recovery, but I can't say about

later, when a person is feeling stronger, maybe some long walks would help.

I love to walk.

Re: Re: calming down excess cortisol

>

> In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> littlenancy@... writes:

>

> > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it

>

> i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2004 1:50:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> Cindi, you crack me up.

>

I'll take that as a compliment. I think.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2004 1:50:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> When antibodies are

> circulating in the body...good or bad, cortisol is secreted to turn

> them " off " , which is why autoimmune thyroid et al can eventually

> cause adrenal fatigue.

>

this is pretty interesting. so we could almost assume if our antibodies are

flaring...our cortisol is elevating...and we're stressing our little adrenals.

cindi

[Guest guest]

The other thing I was thinking that I didn't mention....it came to me

last night when I couldn't sleep for whatever reason...

Is that when you have early autoimmune disease....like hashi's, RA,

whatever, cortisol will be high regardless. When antibodies are

circulating in the body...good or bad, cortisol is secreted to turn

them " off " , which is why autoimmune thyroid et al can eventually

cause adrenal fatigue.

Cindi, you crack me up.

> In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> littlenancy@i... writes:

>

> > If I so much as go

> > walk around walmart I need a nap.

> >

>

> oh - i thought it was just me. that is a BIG store. it really

does tire me

> to go shopping there. and i too, take a nap when i get home.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> Allergies for example, are an immune responce to an invader. (Don't

> quote me on this, but I think its the basophil white cells.)

been there, dont that. i think it is esophonils (sp?) and mine used to

always be high...along with my white cell count. the doctors were always

puzzled

why. docs ain't too smart sometimes.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> Allergies for example, are an immune responce to an invader. (Don't

> quote me on this, but I think its the basophil white cells.)

been there, dont that. i think it is esophonils (sp?) and mine used to

always be high...along with my white cell count. the doctors were always

puzzled

why. docs ain't too smart sometimes.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> Allergies for example, are an immune responce to an invader. (Don't

> quote me on this, but I think its the basophil white cells.)

been there, dont that. i think it is esophonils (sp?) and mine used to

always be high...along with my white cell count. the doctors were always

puzzled

why. docs ain't too smart sometimes.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> . So the brain says MORE

> STERIODS! The PIT says OK, MORE ACTH. The adrenals say OK, Coming

> right up, more cortisol!

>

all this loud conversation and shouting between my brain and my adrenals may

very well be the real reason I'm having trouble going to sleep at night.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> . So the brain says MORE

> STERIODS! The PIT says OK, MORE ACTH. The adrenals say OK, Coming

> right up, more cortisol!

>

all this loud conversation and shouting between my brain and my adrenals may

very well be the real reason I'm having trouble going to sleep at night.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> . So the brain says MORE

> STERIODS! The PIT says OK, MORE ACTH. The adrenals say OK, Coming

> right up, more cortisol!

>

all this loud conversation and shouting between my brain and my adrenals may

very well be the real reason I'm having trouble going to sleep at night.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> Nomatter what a doctor claims to be, sick

> people are thier business. I have been through so many good and bad

> that I am skeptical of every last one of them

amen sister.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 11:34:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> One of my current docs, who

> is a pulminologist/internist (not my DO) said " you are a nurse,

> right? " I laughed and said " no " , he said, " well, how do you know this

> stuff? "

I have been asked the very same question...both for me...and also when going

to doctor's office with sick family members. Why do they think that if you

don't have an MD behind your name that you can't learn medical stuff?

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 11:34:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> One of my current docs, who

> is a pulminologist/internist (not my DO) said " you are a nurse,

> right? " I laughed and said " no " , he said, " well, how do you know this

> stuff? "

I have been asked the very same question...both for me...and also when going

to doctor's office with sick family members. Why do they think that if you

don't have an MD behind your name that you can't learn medical stuff?

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 11:34:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> One of my current docs, who

> is a pulminologist/internist (not my DO) said " you are a nurse,

> right? " I laughed and said " no " , he said, " well, how do you know this

> stuff? "

I have been asked the very same question...both for me...and also when going

to doctor's office with sick family members. Why do they think that if you

don't have an MD behind your name that you can't learn medical stuff?

cindi

[Guest guest]

YES.

(oh and yeah the other was a compliment he he he)

I hate to get on my soap box over and over about this, but it is

dangerous to go on steriods without all the facts about what role

cortisol plays in the body, why its there, why we need it, and why

either too much or too little can disable or kill us.

The numero one reason for cortisol to be secreted is to balance the

immune system in times of PHYSICAL illness, stress, or allergy. It

plays tons of other roles, like most hormones do, but its first

function is to supress the body's immune responce.

Allergies for example, are an immune responce to an invader. (Don't

quote me on this, but I think its the basophil white cells.) This is

why you put hydrocortisone cream on an allergic rash. Or suck on a

steriod inhaler for asthma.

A fever, for example, is not caused by a virus or infection, but by

your body's immune responce to a virus or infection. Your body raises

its temp to kill off the invader.

What turns it off when the invader is defeated? By golly, cortisol

plays a big role in that! Steriods supress the immune system and the

body's natural responces to injury, such as swelling, too!

Too little will allow the immune system to go willy nilly. Too much

will supress the immune system. Among other things.

So, when the antibodies are running wild in the body, the brain says,

OK, this isn't right, turn it off.

The pituitary secretes ACTH to tell the adrenal cortex to send

cortisol. The adrenal cortex makes more. Voila. BUT.....those little

antibodies are still running willy nilly. So the brain says MORE

STERIODS! The PIT says OK, MORE ACTH. The adrenals say OK, Coming

right up, more cortisol!

And so on and so forth. Its not Cushing's disease, and by this method

or by too much emotional stress or illness, your checks and balances

will not make enough to KILL you like cushings will. BUT, it will

make enough to cause weak muscles, diabeties, cataracts, weight gain,

etc.

Adding more steriods doesn't help in the long run. Too much will send

the adrenals on a permanent shut down and thats the biggest risk. But

too much also leaves you open for infection (since the immune system

becomes depressed on too much steriod), injury, and of course

cataracs, diabeties, etc. You might feel good for a while, but

eventually, you gain weight and lose muscle mass and feel like poop.

My fear is that some docs who call themselves holistic are worse than

the medical docs when it comes to hooking the patient in to get them

to come back over and over. Nomatter what a doctor claims to be, sick

people are thier business. I have been through so many good and bad

that I am skeptical of every last one of them. The one I have now

isn't corrupt (yet) and I hope he stays that way!

> >

>

> this is pretty interesting. so we could almost assume if our

antibodies are

> flaring...our cortisol is elevating...and we're stressing our

little adrenals.

>

> cindi

>

[Guest guest]

YES.

(oh and yeah the other was a compliment he he he)

I hate to get on my soap box over and over about this, but it is

dangerous to go on steriods without all the facts about what role

cortisol plays in the body, why its there, why we need it, and why

either too much or too little can disable or kill us.

The numero one reason for cortisol to be secreted is to balance the

immune system in times of PHYSICAL illness, stress, or allergy. It

plays tons of other roles, like most hormones do, but its first

function is to supress the body's immune responce.

Allergies for example, are an immune responce to an invader. (Don't

quote me on this, but I think its the basophil white cells.) This is

why you put hydrocortisone cream on an allergic rash. Or suck on a

steriod inhaler for asthma.

A fever, for example, is not caused by a virus or infection, but by

your body's immune responce to a virus or infection. Your body raises

its temp to kill off the invader.

What turns it off when the invader is defeated? By golly, cortisol

plays a big role in that! Steriods supress the immune system and the

body's natural responces to injury, such as swelling, too!

Too little will allow the immune system to go willy nilly. Too much

will supress the immune system. Among other things.

So, when the antibodies are running wild in the body, the brain says,

OK, this isn't right, turn it off.

The pituitary secretes ACTH to tell the adrenal cortex to send

cortisol. The adrenal cortex makes more. Voila. BUT.....those little

antibodies are still running willy nilly. So the brain says MORE

STERIODS! The PIT says OK, MORE ACTH. The adrenals say OK, Coming

right up, more cortisol!

And so on and so forth. Its not Cushing's disease, and by this method

or by too much emotional stress or illness, your checks and balances

will not make enough to KILL you like cushings will. BUT, it will

make enough to cause weak muscles, diabeties, cataracts, weight gain,

etc.

Adding more steriods doesn't help in the long run. Too much will send

the adrenals on a permanent shut down and thats the biggest risk. But

too much also leaves you open for infection (since the immune system

becomes depressed on too much steriod), injury, and of course

cataracs, diabeties, etc. You might feel good for a while, but

eventually, you gain weight and lose muscle mass and feel like poop.

My fear is that some docs who call themselves holistic are worse than

the medical docs when it comes to hooking the patient in to get them

to come back over and over. Nomatter what a doctor claims to be, sick

people are thier business. I have been through so many good and bad

that I am skeptical of every last one of them. The one I have now

isn't corrupt (yet) and I hope he stays that way!

> >

>

> this is pretty interesting. so we could almost assume if our

antibodies are

> flaring...our cortisol is elevating...and we're stressing our

little adrenals.

>

> cindi

>

[Guest guest]

YES.

(oh and yeah the other was a compliment he he he)

I hate to get on my soap box over and over about this, but it is

dangerous to go on steriods without all the facts about what role

cortisol plays in the body, why its there, why we need it, and why

either too much or too little can disable or kill us.

The numero one reason for cortisol to be secreted is to balance the

immune system in times of PHYSICAL illness, stress, or allergy. It

plays tons of other roles, like most hormones do, but its first

function is to supress the body's immune responce.

Allergies for example, are an immune responce to an invader. (Don't

quote me on this, but I think its the basophil white cells.) This is

why you put hydrocortisone cream on an allergic rash. Or suck on a

steriod inhaler for asthma.

A fever, for example, is not caused by a virus or infection, but by

your body's immune responce to a virus or infection. Your body raises

its temp to kill off the invader.

What turns it off when the invader is defeated? By golly, cortisol

plays a big role in that! Steriods supress the immune system and the

body's natural responces to injury, such as swelling, too!

Too little will allow the immune system to go willy nilly. Too much

will supress the immune system. Among other things.

So, when the antibodies are running wild in the body, the brain says,

OK, this isn't right, turn it off.

The pituitary secretes ACTH to tell the adrenal cortex to send

cortisol. The adrenal cortex makes more. Voila. BUT.....those little

antibodies are still running willy nilly. So the brain says MORE

STERIODS! The PIT says OK, MORE ACTH. The adrenals say OK, Coming

right up, more cortisol!

And so on and so forth. Its not Cushing's disease, and by this method

or by too much emotional stress or illness, your checks and balances

will not make enough to KILL you like cushings will. BUT, it will

make enough to cause weak muscles, diabeties, cataracts, weight gain,

etc.

Adding more steriods doesn't help in the long run. Too much will send

the adrenals on a permanent shut down and thats the biggest risk. But

too much also leaves you open for infection (since the immune system

becomes depressed on too much steriod), injury, and of course

cataracs, diabeties, etc. You might feel good for a while, but

eventually, you gain weight and lose muscle mass and feel like poop.

My fear is that some docs who call themselves holistic are worse than

the medical docs when it comes to hooking the patient in to get them

to come back over and over. Nomatter what a doctor claims to be, sick

people are thier business. I have been through so many good and bad

that I am skeptical of every last one of them. The one I have now

isn't corrupt (yet) and I hope he stays that way!

> >

>

> this is pretty interesting. so we could almost assume if our

antibodies are

> flaring...our cortisol is elevating...and we're stressing our

little adrenals.

>

> cindi

>

[Guest guest]

I'll give you that one because I can never remember which is which

with all the diff's. Any time I have a low or a high one on a CBC I

end up going to look it up for which is which!

And, no, they sometimes aren't that smart. I am convinced that docs

are just like the rest of the population...some smart, some dumb as

rocks. Some gave favors to their professors in school. You don't know

if they are a C student or an A student. One of my current docs, who

is a pulminologist/internist (not my DO) said " you are a nurse,

right? " I laughed and said " no " , he said, " well, how do you know this

stuff? " I said, " I HAD to " So, he told me to go to medical school. I

told him, " No, it will corrupt my mind. "

>

> been there, dont that. i think it is esophonils (sp?) and mine

used to

> always be high...along with my white cell count. the doctors were

always puzzled

> why. docs ain't too smart sometimes.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll give you that one because I can never remember which is which

with all the diff's. Any time I have a low or a high one on a CBC I

end up going to look it up for which is which!

And, no, they sometimes aren't that smart. I am convinced that docs

are just like the rest of the population...some smart, some dumb as

rocks. Some gave favors to their professors in school. You don't know

if they are a C student or an A student. One of my current docs, who

is a pulminologist/internist (not my DO) said " you are a nurse,

right? " I laughed and said " no " , he said, " well, how do you know this

stuff? " I said, " I HAD to " So, he told me to go to medical school. I

told him, " No, it will corrupt my mind. "

>

> been there, dont that. i think it is esophonils (sp?) and mine

used to

> always be high...along with my white cell count. the doctors were

always puzzled

> why. docs ain't too smart sometimes.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll give you that one because I can never remember which is which

with all the diff's. Any time I have a low or a high one on a CBC I

end up going to look it up for which is which!

And, no, they sometimes aren't that smart. I am convinced that docs

are just like the rest of the population...some smart, some dumb as

rocks. Some gave favors to their professors in school. You don't know

if they are a C student or an A student. One of my current docs, who

is a pulminologist/internist (not my DO) said " you are a nurse,

right? " I laughed and said " no " , he said, " well, how do you know this

stuff? " I said, " I HAD to " So, he told me to go to medical school. I

told him, " No, it will corrupt my mind. "

>

> been there, dont that. i think it is esophonils (sp?) and mine

used to

> always be high...along with my white cell count. the doctors were

always puzzled

> why. docs ain't too smart sometimes.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 2:26:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> If I intimidate them, I'm with the wrong doc. If they are not

> afraid, I know they are confident in their ability and listen and

> respect them more.

>

amen sister...

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 2:26:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> If I intimidate them, I'm with the wrong doc. If they are not

> afraid, I know they are confident in their ability and listen and

> respect them more.

>

amen sister...

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 2:26:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> If I intimidate them, I'm with the wrong doc. If they are not

> afraid, I know they are confident in their ability and listen and

> respect them more.

>

amen sister...

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 2:26:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

littlenancy@... writes:

> Yet, she takes the meds that docs give her, does

> what they say, and doesn't question them and is a " good patient

this must be a case of ignorance is bliss...cause I woulda read every article

on the internet and every book that had even a reference on it before they

woulda cut my brain. folks who believe the words that come out of a doc's mouth

flat out scare me to death.

cindi