Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > > If I was to start progesterone cream, what are the odds that the > progesterone would be converted into more cortisol, thus making the > situation worse. > i think on this one a person would want to know for sure they were low in progesterone, wouldn't they? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > > If I was to start progesterone cream, what are the odds that the > progesterone would be converted into more cortisol, thus making the > situation worse. > i think on this one a person would want to know for sure they were low in progesterone, wouldn't they? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > Correct me if I am wrong, but if my cortisol is high, doesn't that > mean that my adrenals are working? Meaning, not adrenal fatigued-- > yet? > great questions on that post. one person has explained to me that cortisol levels may show high before they burn out...sorta spurting out the cortisol in an irregular way. dysfunctional i suppose. but i had the same concerns as you. is supplementing with adrenal support appropriate. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > Correct me if I am wrong, but if my cortisol is high, doesn't that > mean that my adrenals are working? Meaning, not adrenal fatigued-- > yet? > great questions on that post. one person has explained to me that cortisol levels may show high before they burn out...sorta spurting out the cortisol in an irregular way. dysfunctional i suppose. but i had the same concerns as you. is supplementing with adrenal support appropriate. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > Correct me if I am wrong, but if my cortisol is high, doesn't that > mean that my adrenals are working? Meaning, not adrenal fatigued-- > yet? > great questions on that post. one person has explained to me that cortisol levels may show high before they burn out...sorta spurting out the cortisol in an irregular way. dysfunctional i suppose. but i had the same concerns as you. is supplementing with adrenal support appropriate. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess > cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from > pituatary or even the hypothamalus? > yikes. how do we check all this. and even if we know, what can we do? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... writes: > What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess > cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from > pituatary or even the hypothamalus? > yikes. how do we check all this. and even if we know, what can we do? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > I'm betting you never relax, do you? All that exercize! shame on you! > Morning noon and night? You need to balance all that out, you know?? > rofl. how did you know? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > I'm betting you never relax, do you? All that exercize! shame on you! > Morning noon and night? You need to balance all that out, you know?? > rofl. how did you know? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > I'm betting you never relax, do you? All that exercize! shame on you! > Morning noon and night? You need to balance all that out, you know?? > rofl. how did you know? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > If I so much as go > walk around walmart I need a nap. > oh - i thought it was just me. that is a BIG store. it really does tire me to go shopping there. and i too, take a nap when i get home. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > If I so much as go > walk around walmart I need a nap. > oh - i thought it was just me. that is a BIG store. it really does tire me to go shopping there. and i too, take a nap when i get home. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlenancy@... writes: > If I so much as go > walk around walmart I need a nap. > oh - i thought it was just me. that is a BIG store. it really does tire me to go shopping there. and i too, take a nap when i get home. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 How does one go about calming down high cortisol and DHEA-S? If I was to start progesterone cream, what are the odds that the progesterone would be converted into more cortisol, thus making the situation worse. What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from pituatary or even the hypothamalus? What kind of lab tests would confirm or rule-out these problems? Correct me if I am wrong, but if my cortisol is high, doesn't that mean that my adrenals are working? Meaning, not adrenal fatigued-- yet? Lets put our brains together on these ideas...thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 > How does one go about calming down high cortisol and DHEA-S? Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it. Cortisol responds directly to ACTH stimluation, and gives off cortisol and another hormone that tells the hypothalamous to tell the pit to slow the production of ACTH. ACTH is released in responce to allergens, infections, viruses, physical stress, to some degree mental stress, and to moderate the body's blood sugar and a few other things. High levels of corticol steriods in the system lead to obesity, diabeties, cataracts, and other nasties. Keeping yourself healthy, your stress low, exercize AND relaxation (a nap, yoga, meditation, etc) lowers cortisol levels without drugs or supplements like " cortislim " > > If I was to start progesterone cream, what are the odds that the > progesterone would be converted into more cortisol, thus making the > situation worse. None. Progesterone is not a corticol steriod, it is a sex hormone. > > What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess > cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from > pituatary or even the hypothamalus? There are a few I am aware of, but the genetic issues are there from childhood and generally cause deformaties at birth. Cushing's disease is generally a severe disorder of the pituitary gland that causes an over-abundance of cortisol, and can be fatal. An ACTH secreting tumor is usually the reason. Also, I guess a cortisol secreting tumor on the adrenal cortex could do it, too. All of these things are rare. > What kind of lab tests would confirm or rule-out these problems? ACTH blood levels, ACTH stimulation test, and that other one I cannot spell the deprasomething supression test. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but if my cortisol is high, doesn't that > mean that my adrenals are working? Meaning, not adrenal fatigued-- > yet? > I talked with my DO about this recently, to get the real skinny. Some pop docs say it should be treated with more cortisol....to get the adrenals to slow down and not produce as much. However, he says this does not work, it just makes a person gain weight, and puts them at risk for infection (as steriods supress the immune system, which is why they are useful in treating allegies and autoimmune problems), injury (as corticol steriods in excess will cause muscle weakness), cataracts, and diabeties. And, if the patient does not wean off properly, it can cause steriod induced addisions, such as people with asthma get from time to time. He said that while its feel-good medicine, made to make the patient feel like something is being done, in the end its a useless therapy to add steriods to someone who already has a high cortisol level in the blood. In the end, after weaning off properly, if the person does nothing to make the lifestyle changes that caused the high cortisol content to begin with, its a waste of time. The lifestyle changes would have sufficed to begin with. We talked about this because of the investigation for lesions on my adrenals and I'll be getting scanned. He said he would treat me as complimentary as possible, and truly leans toward the holistic side, he is young and outgoing and not jaded, but is looking to balance my body out. As for people who have high cortisol rather than the low hormone problems I have, he says its really a bad idea, that its a temp " fix " like a patch on a hole rather than new tire. Eventaully the hole will get bigger and worse if the real proble isn't addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 > How does one go about calming down high cortisol and DHEA-S? Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it. Cortisol responds directly to ACTH stimluation, and gives off cortisol and another hormone that tells the hypothalamous to tell the pit to slow the production of ACTH. ACTH is released in responce to allergens, infections, viruses, physical stress, to some degree mental stress, and to moderate the body's blood sugar and a few other things. High levels of corticol steriods in the system lead to obesity, diabeties, cataracts, and other nasties. Keeping yourself healthy, your stress low, exercize AND relaxation (a nap, yoga, meditation, etc) lowers cortisol levels without drugs or supplements like " cortislim " > > If I was to start progesterone cream, what are the odds that the > progesterone would be converted into more cortisol, thus making the > situation worse. None. Progesterone is not a corticol steriod, it is a sex hormone. > > What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess > cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from > pituatary or even the hypothamalus? There are a few I am aware of, but the genetic issues are there from childhood and generally cause deformaties at birth. Cushing's disease is generally a severe disorder of the pituitary gland that causes an over-abundance of cortisol, and can be fatal. An ACTH secreting tumor is usually the reason. Also, I guess a cortisol secreting tumor on the adrenal cortex could do it, too. All of these things are rare. > What kind of lab tests would confirm or rule-out these problems? ACTH blood levels, ACTH stimulation test, and that other one I cannot spell the deprasomething supression test. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but if my cortisol is high, doesn't that > mean that my adrenals are working? Meaning, not adrenal fatigued-- > yet? > I talked with my DO about this recently, to get the real skinny. Some pop docs say it should be treated with more cortisol....to get the adrenals to slow down and not produce as much. However, he says this does not work, it just makes a person gain weight, and puts them at risk for infection (as steriods supress the immune system, which is why they are useful in treating allegies and autoimmune problems), injury (as corticol steriods in excess will cause muscle weakness), cataracts, and diabeties. And, if the patient does not wean off properly, it can cause steriod induced addisions, such as people with asthma get from time to time. He said that while its feel-good medicine, made to make the patient feel like something is being done, in the end its a useless therapy to add steriods to someone who already has a high cortisol level in the blood. In the end, after weaning off properly, if the person does nothing to make the lifestyle changes that caused the high cortisol content to begin with, its a waste of time. The lifestyle changes would have sufficed to begin with. We talked about this because of the investigation for lesions on my adrenals and I'll be getting scanned. He said he would treat me as complimentary as possible, and truly leans toward the holistic side, he is young and outgoing and not jaded, but is looking to balance my body out. As for people who have high cortisol rather than the low hormone problems I have, he says its really a bad idea, that its a temp " fix " like a patch on a hole rather than new tire. Eventaully the hole will get bigger and worse if the real proble isn't addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 cindi, I'm betting you never relax, do you? All that exercize! shame on you! Morning noon and night? You need to balance all that out, you know?? He he he...I'm just as bad because I'm lucky if I get out of bed every day now. I had been walking every day...but right now I just cannot, I'm too weak. When I had the blood work done last my creatinine was low from all the muscle wasting. If I so much as go walk around walmart I need a nap. > In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > littlenancy@i... writes: > > > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it > > i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 cindi, I'm betting you never relax, do you? All that exercize! shame on you! Morning noon and night? You need to balance all that out, you know?? He he he...I'm just as bad because I'm lucky if I get out of bed every day now. I had been walking every day...but right now I just cannot, I'm too weak. When I had the blood work done last my creatinine was low from all the muscle wasting. If I so much as go walk around walmart I need a nap. > In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > littlenancy@i... writes: > > > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it > > i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 cindi, I'm betting you never relax, do you? All that exercize! shame on you! Morning noon and night? You need to balance all that out, you know?? He he he...I'm just as bad because I'm lucky if I get out of bed every day now. I had been walking every day...but right now I just cannot, I'm too weak. When I had the blood work done last my creatinine was low from all the muscle wasting. If I so much as go walk around walmart I need a nap. > In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > littlenancy@i... writes: > > > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it > > i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 It's the Hypothalamus that is depended on for this one. Signals back and forth, chemical messengers from the adrenals to the hypothalamus, then the hypothalamus giving certain signals to other things, including the pituitary. ACTH is heavily involved here. Re: calming down excess cortisol > In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... > writes: > > > What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess > > cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from > > pituatary or even the hypothamalus? > > > > yikes. how do we check all this. and even if we know, what can we do? > cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 It's the Hypothalamus that is depended on for this one. Signals back and forth, chemical messengers from the adrenals to the hypothalamus, then the hypothalamus giving certain signals to other things, including the pituitary. ACTH is heavily involved here. Re: calming down excess cortisol > In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rleyva@... > writes: > > > What if there is some genetic defect causing adrenals to make excess > > cortisol? What is there was a problem with the " signals " from > > pituatary or even the hypothamalus? > > > > yikes. how do we check all this. and even if we know, what can we do? > cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 I have read that aerobic exercise does increase cortisol, but that would only be if your adrenals still have the capability to increase their own cortisol. In adrenal fatigue, they've shrunken and lost their ability to do this. Whether they can recover completely remains to be seen, although some report that theirs gradually recovered. Not with added stressors, however. Gentle exercise would be better while in recovery, but I can't say about later, when a person is feeling stronger, maybe some long walks would help. I love to walk. Re: Re: calming down excess cortisol > > In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > littlenancy@... writes: > > > Exercise combined with relaxation is the only way to do it > > i guess I'm only gonna get half better if this is the cure. > cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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