Re: When someone should NOT get on Armour...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 11:40:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> --I have an article here that

> states that with fast growing cancer, a patient will have

>

I had read something about that too...about inducing hypothyroidism in lung

cancer..to slow the cancer. I found the info a bit confusing though...because

another source I have read mentioned that the doctor had never seen lung

cancer (or heart attack) in someone taking Armour.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 11:40:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> --I have an article here that

> states that with fast growing cancer, a patient will have

>

I had read something about that too...about inducing hypothyroidism in lung

cancer..to slow the cancer. I found the info a bit confusing though...because

another source I have read mentioned that the doctor had never seen lung

cancer (or heart attack) in someone taking Armour.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 11:40:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> --I have an article here that

> states that with fast growing cancer, a patient will have

>

I had read something about that too...about inducing hypothyroidism in lung

cancer..to slow the cancer. I found the info a bit confusing though...because

another source I have read mentioned that the doctor had never seen lung

cancer (or heart attack) in someone taking Armour.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 12:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> I would suspect that if someone was a heavy smoker, even if on

> Armour, the Armour is not going to stop the propensity towards lung

> cancer....

>

That's what I thought...but being a former smoker - but now on Armour, it was

sorta nice to read that.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 12:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> I would suspect that if someone was a heavy smoker, even if on

> Armour, the Armour is not going to stop the propensity towards lung

> cancer....

>

That's what I thought...but being a former smoker - but now on Armour, it was

sorta nice to read that.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 12:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> I would suspect that if someone was a heavy smoker, even if on

> Armour, the Armour is not going to stop the propensity towards lung

> cancer....

>

That's what I thought...but being a former smoker - but now on Armour, it was

sorta nice to read that.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 12:51:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> Actually, the unsuspected illness by Broda talks about increased

> eart

> attacks caused by Dr's giving too high doses of Armour if memory serves me.

> The Drs saw that his results were good with higher does he was giving than

> they had, so then they just gave way too much to patients and they were

> having heart attacks.

yes. that is true. that was a major problem with high doses of Armour. but

wherever it was I read....in one of the 15 books I have...the doctor talks

about not ever having a patient who was on Armour have a heart attack. I think

this was mentioned in relation to the fact that it is often low thyroid that

causes heart disease.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 12:51:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> Actually, the unsuspected illness by Broda talks about increased

> eart

> attacks caused by Dr's giving too high doses of Armour if memory serves me.

> The Drs saw that his results were good with higher does he was giving than

> they had, so then they just gave way too much to patients and they were

> having heart attacks.

And now as i think about this...this doctor (I'll have to try to remember

what book - maybe Solved-The Riddle of Illness?) talked about how heart attacks

(like some of the other diseases we have talked about) didn't starts becoming

the major problem they are until after folks were not properly getting

diagnosed with low thyroid. I can certainly see the reasoning behind that. I

know a

couple of folks now with heart problems who I think are hypo.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 12:51:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> Actually, the unsuspected illness by Broda talks about increased

> eart

> attacks caused by Dr's giving too high doses of Armour if memory serves me.

> The Drs saw that his results were good with higher does he was giving than

> they had, so then they just gave way too much to patients and they were

> having heart attacks.

And now as i think about this...this doctor (I'll have to try to remember

what book - maybe Solved-The Riddle of Illness?) talked about how heart attacks

(like some of the other diseases we have talked about) didn't starts becoming

the major problem they are until after folks were not properly getting

diagnosed with low thyroid. I can certainly see the reasoning behind that. I

know a

couple of folks now with heart problems who I think are hypo.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

> (Found the bottom paragraph within an article about Armour on the

> website healthyrecipes.com)

>

> There is one condition in which someone should NOT start on Armour

> or T3 meds like Cytomel--those with severe acute cardio-pulmonary

> conditions, such as congestive heart failure, when the metabolic

> slowing effect of a low FT3 level can actually be life-saving.

_____________________

This issue has been debated. Because low thyroid or basically a low

metabolic rate controlled mostly by T3 causes many cardio-pulminary

conditions. So, having low T3 may actually hasten the worsening of

their condition and may be why they got in the fix in the first

place. I think that very slow and careful T3 addtion would not be

harmful and I would want this for myself personally. This is just my

opinion.

Tish

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 1:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> no, what I am saying is that Broda found that many hypo people had heart

> issues but the ones that he trested with Armour didn't

ok..not sure i understand. do you mean that folks who he had been treating

with Armour did not develop heart problems? but why was he treating them then?

i'm confused. could be brain fog. it happens occassionally.

cindi

[Guest guest]

This is important information for the many folks here who want to

self-treat an older family member, as I sure have my dear mother-in-

law. But once a heart condition has developed, introducing Armour or

Cytomel can be quite a serious issue...and hopefully done with the

monitoring of a good doc.

Another good piece of information--I have an article here that

states that with fast growing cancer, a patient will have

hypothyroid induced to slow the progress of the cancer!

Janie

> > (Found the bottom paragraph within an article about Armour on

the

> > website healthyrecipes.com)

> >

> > There is one condition in which someone should NOT start on

Armour

> > or T3 meds like Cytomel--those with severe acute cardio-

pulmonary

> > conditions, such as congestive heart failure, when the metabolic

> > slowing effect of a low FT3 level can actually be life-saving.

> _____________________

>

> This issue has been debated. Because low thyroid or basically a

low

> metabolic rate controlled mostly by T3 causes many cardio-

pulminary

> conditions. So, having low T3 may actually hasten the worsening of

> their condition and may be why they got in the fix in the first

> place. I think that very slow and careful T3 addtion would not be

> harmful and I would want this for myself personally. This is just

my

> opinion.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

This is important information for the many folks here who want to

self-treat an older family member, as I sure have my dear mother-in-

law. But once a heart condition has developed, introducing Armour or

Cytomel can be quite a serious issue...and hopefully done with the

monitoring of a good doc.

Another good piece of information--I have an article here that

states that with fast growing cancer, a patient will have

hypothyroid induced to slow the progress of the cancer!

Janie

> > (Found the bottom paragraph within an article about Armour on

the

> > website healthyrecipes.com)

> >

> > There is one condition in which someone should NOT start on

Armour

> > or T3 meds like Cytomel--those with severe acute cardio-

pulmonary

> > conditions, such as congestive heart failure, when the metabolic

> > slowing effect of a low FT3 level can actually be life-saving.

> _____________________

>

> This issue has been debated. Because low thyroid or basically a

low

> metabolic rate controlled mostly by T3 causes many cardio-

pulminary

> conditions. So, having low T3 may actually hasten the worsening of

> their condition and may be why they got in the fix in the first

> place. I think that very slow and careful T3 addtion would not be

> harmful and I would want this for myself personally. This is just

my

> opinion.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

I would suspect that if someone was a heavy smoker, even if on

Armour, the Armour is not going to stop the propensity towards lung

cancer....

But the article points to ANY fast growing cancer. I need to find it.

Jane

> I had read something about that too...about inducing

hypothyroidism in lung

> cancer..to slow the cancer. I found the info a bit confusing

though...because

> another source I have read mentioned that the doctor had never

seen lung

> cancer (or heart attack) in someone taking Armour.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would suspect that if someone was a heavy smoker, even if on

Armour, the Armour is not going to stop the propensity towards lung

cancer....

But the article points to ANY fast growing cancer. I need to find it.

Jane

> I had read something about that too...about inducing

hypothyroidism in lung

> cancer..to slow the cancer. I found the info a bit confusing

though...because

> another source I have read mentioned that the doctor had never

seen lung

> cancer (or heart attack) in someone taking Armour.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would suspect that if someone was a heavy smoker, even if on

Armour, the Armour is not going to stop the propensity towards lung

cancer....

But the article points to ANY fast growing cancer. I need to find it.

Jane

> I had read something about that too...about inducing

hypothyroidism in lung

> cancer..to slow the cancer. I found the info a bit confusing

though...because

> another source I have read mentioned that the doctor had never

seen lung

> cancer (or heart attack) in someone taking Armour.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, the unsuspected illness by Broda talks about increased eart

attacks caused by Dr's giving too high doses of Armour if memory serves me.

The Drs saw that his results were good with higher does he was giving than

they had, so then they just gave way too much to patients and they were

having heart attacks. Right?

>From: nc2406@...

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

>Armour...

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:02:37 EDT

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, the unsuspected illness by Broda talks about increased eart

attacks caused by Dr's giving too high doses of Armour if memory serves me.

The Drs saw that his results were good with higher does he was giving than

they had, so then they just gave way too much to patients and they were

having heart attacks. Right?

>From: nc2406@...

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

>Armour...

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:02:37 EDT

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, the unsuspected illness by Broda talks about increased eart

attacks caused by Dr's giving too high doses of Armour if memory serves me.

The Drs saw that his results were good with higher does he was giving than

they had, so then they just gave way too much to patients and they were

having heart attacks. Right?

>From: nc2406@...

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

>Armour...

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:02:37 EDT

>

[Guest guest]

no, what I am saying is that Broda found that many hypo people had heart

issues but the ones that he trested with Armour didn't. Then DR's started

just over dosing on Armour with an attitude like it is all good, so people

were getting too much t3 and had heart attacks

>From: nc2406@...

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

>Armour...

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:56:28 EDT

>

[Guest guest]

no, what I am saying is that Broda found that many hypo people had heart

issues but the ones that he trested with Armour didn't. Then DR's started

just over dosing on Armour with an attitude like it is all good, so people

were getting too much t3 and had heart attacks

>From: nc2406@...

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

>Armour...

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:56:28 EDT

>

[Guest guest]

That's what I got from the book too Jamy. I think that some DR's might

have taken the stance: if a little is good, more is better? I was married

to somebody like that once. He about drove me crazy! lol. :-)

If I'm not mistaken, autopsy reports had something to do with how Broda

found problems with hypoT being untreated because of the amts of

mucin (sp) in the body. I wish I had the book here with me at the office,

but I think he definately was onto something for people who had hypoT and

how to treat them.

SandyE~Houston

Original Message:

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From: JAMY jamyrogers@...

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:37:02 -0700

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

Armour...

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no, what I am saying is that Broda found that many hypo people had heart

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issues but the ones that he trested with Armour didn't. Then DR's started

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just over dosing on Armour with an attitude like it is all good, so people

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were getting too much t3 and had heart attacks<BR>

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>From: nc2406@...<BR>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones <BR>

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones <BR>

>Subject: Re: Re: When someone should NOT get on

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>Armour...<BR>

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:56:28 EDT<BR>

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[Guest guest]

> This is important information for the many folks here who want to

> self-treat an older family member, as I sure have my dear mother-

in-

> law. But once a heart condition has developed, introducing Armour

or

> Cytomel can be quite a serious issue...and hopefully done with the

> monitoring of a good doc.

__________________

You are really right. I wasn't thinking about this situation where

someone would give it to their mother or mother-in-law. I think that

you should go very carefully with treating relatives. You sure don't

want their death or serious illness on your concience. The best

thing here is to find a good doctor. I shouldn't have posted my

post on this. I was thinking of an ideal situation and not reality.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> This is important information for the many folks here who want to

> self-treat an older family member, as I sure have my dear mother-

in-

> law. But once a heart condition has developed, introducing Armour

or

> Cytomel can be quite a serious issue...and hopefully done with the

> monitoring of a good doc.

__________________

You are really right. I wasn't thinking about this situation where

someone would give it to their mother or mother-in-law. I think that

you should go very carefully with treating relatives. You sure don't

want their death or serious illness on your concience. The best

thing here is to find a good doctor. I shouldn't have posted my

post on this. I was thinking of an ideal situation and not reality.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> This is important information for the many folks here who want to

> self-treat an older family member, as I sure have my dear mother-

in-

> law. But once a heart condition has developed, introducing Armour

or

> Cytomel can be quite a serious issue...and hopefully done with the

> monitoring of a good doc.

__________________

You are really right. I wasn't thinking about this situation where

someone would give it to their mother or mother-in-law. I think that

you should go very carefully with treating relatives. You sure don't

want their death or serious illness on your concience. The best

thing here is to find a good doctor. I shouldn't have posted my

post on this. I was thinking of an ideal situation and not reality.

Tish