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> Okay, but I thought Sky was implying that she had stopped paying

> attention to the amount of saturated fat she was eating. What I'm

> wondering is, will most people's cholesterol go up if they eat

> saturated fat or not?

>

That's one of those " how long is a piece of string " questions. It's

all a matter of balance - how much sat fat in proportion to carbs and

protein, and also in relation to weight, physical activity etc.

I eat saturated fat - a rasher of bacon and an egg at breakfast, a

little in my red meats, a little in some processed foods. But I also

eat olive, peanut, canola and other unsat oils, some coconut (which is

both) and so on. But if you add it all up over the day, it's probably

less than a quarter of the total fat I used to eat - and my

triglycerides and total cholesterol have gone down.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

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> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

> cholesterol.

I don't think that's true. Your body recycles the cholesterol that goes into

making bile and also picks up ingested cholesterol. If these aren't enough

for the body's needs, it will make its own.

What you may have read is that the ingested cholesterol doesn't have as much

effect or something. For me, taking Zetia to reduce absorption of ingested

cholesterol made a tremendous amount of difference, and a statin alone did

zip.

Gretchen

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> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

> cholesterol.

I don't think that's true. Your body recycles the cholesterol that goes into

making bile and also picks up ingested cholesterol. If these aren't enough

for the body's needs, it will make its own.

What you may have read is that the ingested cholesterol doesn't have as much

effect or something. For me, taking Zetia to reduce absorption of ingested

cholesterol made a tremendous amount of difference, and a statin alone did

zip.

Gretchen

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> I eat saturated fat - a rasher of bacon and an egg at breakfast, a

> little in my red meats, a little in some processed foods. But I also

> eat olive, peanut, canola and other unsat oils, some coconut (which is

> both) and so on.

The authors of the Four Corners Diet (formerly GO) say that up to 40 g of

saturated fat a day is OK.

Gretchen

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> I eat saturated fat - a rasher of bacon and an egg at breakfast, a

> little in my red meats, a little in some processed foods. But I also

> eat olive, peanut, canola and other unsat oils, some coconut (which is

> both) and so on.

The authors of the Four Corners Diet (formerly GO) say that up to 40 g of

saturated fat a day is OK.

Gretchen

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Yeah, that's the way it worked for me too. I was at max dose of Lipitor

which didn't really reduce whatever it was supposed to. That didn't

happen until I added the Zetia, which worked great.

Vicki

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>> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

>> cholesterol.

>

> I don't think that's true. Your body recycles the cholesterol that

> goes into

> making bile and also picks up ingested cholesterol. If these aren't

> enough

> for the body's needs, it will make its own.

>

> What you may have read is that the ingested cholesterol doesn't have

> as much

> effect or something. For me, taking Zetia to reduce absorption of

> ingested

> cholesterol made a tremendous amount of difference, and a statin alone

> did

> zip.

>

> Gretchen

>

>

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Yeah, that's the way it worked for me too. I was at max dose of Lipitor

which didn't really reduce whatever it was supposed to. That didn't

happen until I added the Zetia, which worked great.

Vicki

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>

>> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

>> cholesterol.

>

> I don't think that's true. Your body recycles the cholesterol that

> goes into

> making bile and also picks up ingested cholesterol. If these aren't

> enough

> for the body's needs, it will make its own.

>

> What you may have read is that the ingested cholesterol doesn't have

> as much

> effect or something. For me, taking Zetia to reduce absorption of

> ingested

> cholesterol made a tremendous amount of difference, and a statin alone

> did

> zip.

>

> Gretchen

>

>

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Yeah, that's the way it worked for me too. I was at max dose of Lipitor

which didn't really reduce whatever it was supposed to. That didn't

happen until I added the Zetia, which worked great.

Vicki

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>

>> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

>> cholesterol.

>

> I don't think that's true. Your body recycles the cholesterol that

> goes into

> making bile and also picks up ingested cholesterol. If these aren't

> enough

> for the body's needs, it will make its own.

>

> What you may have read is that the ingested cholesterol doesn't have

> as much

> effect or something. For me, taking Zetia to reduce absorption of

> ingested

> cholesterol made a tremendous amount of difference, and a statin alone

> did

> zip.

>

> Gretchen

>

>

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> Yeah, that's the way it worked for me too. I was at max dose of Lipitor

> which didn't really reduce whatever it was supposed to. That didn't

> happen until I added the Zetia, which worked great.

I think the standard protocol is to first prescribe a low-fat diet, and then

use statins. So the statins may not work on people on LC diets, which are

usually not low fat.

Gretchen

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> Yeah, that's the way it worked for me too. I was at max dose of Lipitor

> which didn't really reduce whatever it was supposed to. That didn't

> happen until I added the Zetia, which worked great.

I think the standard protocol is to first prescribe a low-fat diet, and then

use statins. So the statins may not work on people on LC diets, which are

usually not low fat.

Gretchen

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I am on a lowish carb, moderate fat diet and take lipitor. The effect

on my lipids was tremendous. My total cholesterol dropped from the high

300s to app 170. My ldl and tris are in the mid to high 70s as is my

hdl. At this point in time, because of pain issues I am no longer

exercising. I had my labs yesterday, will have results this coming Monday.

Helen

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At 04:49 PM 4/6/05, Gretchen wrote:

>I think the standard protocol is to first prescribe a low-fat diet, and then

>use statins. So the statins may not work on people on LC diets, which are

>usually not low fat.

It's true that LC diets aren't devoid of fat, but we never snacked on cubes

of butter, either. My diet now is still LC and has less saturated fat, but

I still use butter on occasion, eat beef, pork and lamb, etc. Just not as

much as I used to. I've cut the coconut oil out completely. When I started

Lipitor (20mg) my cholesterol went from over 300 to the 160s. They

increased the Lipitor to 40mg to get the " bad " cholesterol down lower, and

I've been doing the wine thing to raise " good " kind. Blood work near the

end of the month will tell me what's happening now.

Back to fats again, the reason most folks get hungry when dieting is that

diets tend to cut out most of the fats even though fat doesn't make fat.

It's fat that keeps you from getting hungry right away so I'd think that LC

folks would qualify for being less apt to feel HUNGRY an hour or so after

eating. That's something I wouldn't call a loss of appetite, but it could

certainly work the same way.

What has made me have less of an appetite is the metformin I take. When I

first started taking it there were days when I didn't care if I ate at all.

I think I had several days where all three meals were a couple of

high-fiber WASA crackers with cheddar cheese and thin slices of tomato on

top. I've been working on weight loss since I was first diagnosed but after

starting the metformin it didn't seem like the struggle it had been. I

don't know exactly what I weighed when I started taking it, but I seem to

be going down at least 1/2 lb most days. Enough so my arms, which already

were starting the " bat wings " now look like I might really be able to fly

using the loose skin that hangs down. To add insult to injury my boobs are

probably 40 " long " . (sigh)

Sky (who wants one of those complete make-overs)

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Except I DO eat a low saturatedfat/low carb diet & altho the statin I

take helps it does not do the job.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Chromium P, Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

3/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

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> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

> cholesterol. I think I have something in my archives to this effect

> that I recently read but I can't get to it right now as there seems to

> be some hangup in my yahoo email and I'm writing this from the internet

> site so I can't get to my archives. I bet Gretchen knows.

> Vicki

Well, it does to some degree, though not nearly as much as doctors

think. My question, though, was about saturated fat, which I thought

affected most people's blood lipids negatively.

I'll take this opportunity to say goodbye to everyone on this list.

I've learned a lot from you. However, I also learned today that I

have metastatic breast cancer to my bones, which I need to focus on

right now. So I'll be going no mail on this list and just checking in

on the groups page from time to time. Best of luck to all of you in

your journeys to health.

May

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> I believe the cholesterol you eat does NOT affect your " body "

> cholesterol. I think I have something in my archives to this effect

> that I recently read but I can't get to it right now as there seems to

> be some hangup in my yahoo email and I'm writing this from the internet

> site so I can't get to my archives. I bet Gretchen knows.

> Vicki

Well, it does to some degree, though not nearly as much as doctors

think. My question, though, was about saturated fat, which I thought

affected most people's blood lipids negatively.

I'll take this opportunity to say goodbye to everyone on this list.

I've learned a lot from you. However, I also learned today that I

have metastatic breast cancer to my bones, which I need to focus on

right now. So I'll be going no mail on this list and just checking in

on the groups page from time to time. Best of luck to all of you in

your journeys to health.

May

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At 06:20 PM 4/6/05, cappie@... wrote:

>Except I DO eat a low saturatedfat/low carb diet & altho the statin I

>take helps it does not do the job.

Ain't it great how different we all are? I often wish that one size *would*

fit all. I wonder if some of us just have livers that churn out more

cholesterol than others. For me the problem is blood pressure. I'm taking

HTZ, Cozzar, and Toprol for it now and it's stil higher than it should be.

-=sky=-

Type 2 dx'd 9/04. Last A1C: 5.8

Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2000mg).

Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar,

Synthroid, Toprol, budeprion.

Supplements: B12,CoQ10, Omega 3,

L-Arginine, biotin, folic acid others.

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At 06:20 PM 4/6/05, cappie@... wrote:

>Except I DO eat a low saturatedfat/low carb diet & altho the statin I

>take helps it does not do the job.

Ain't it great how different we all are? I often wish that one size *would*

fit all. I wonder if some of us just have livers that churn out more

cholesterol than others. For me the problem is blood pressure. I'm taking

HTZ, Cozzar, and Toprol for it now and it's stil higher than it should be.

-=sky=-

Type 2 dx'd 9/04. Last A1C: 5.8

Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2000mg).

Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar,

Synthroid, Toprol, budeprion.

Supplements: B12,CoQ10, Omega 3,

L-Arginine, biotin, folic acid others.

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At 06:20 PM 4/6/05, cappie@... wrote:

>Except I DO eat a low saturatedfat/low carb diet & altho the statin I

>take helps it does not do the job.

Ain't it great how different we all are? I often wish that one size *would*

fit all. I wonder if some of us just have livers that churn out more

cholesterol than others. For me the problem is blood pressure. I'm taking

HTZ, Cozzar, and Toprol for it now and it's stil higher than it should be.

-=sky=-

Type 2 dx'd 9/04. Last A1C: 5.8

Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2000mg).

Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar,

Synthroid, Toprol, budeprion.

Supplements: B12,CoQ10, Omega 3,

L-Arginine, biotin, folic acid others.

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May - good luck on your journey - my prayers and hopes go with you for a

speedy recovery

Barb in NH

>

> I'll take this opportunity to say goodbye to everyone on this list.

> I've learned a lot from you. However, I also learned today that I

> have metastatic breast cancer to my bones, which I need to focus on

> right now. So I'll be going no mail on this list and just checking in

> on the groups page from time to time. Best of luck to all of you in

> your journeys to health.

>

> May

>

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May - good luck on your journey - my prayers and hopes go with you for a

speedy recovery

Barb in NH

>

> I'll take this opportunity to say goodbye to everyone on this list.

> I've learned a lot from you. However, I also learned today that I

> have metastatic breast cancer to my bones, which I need to focus on

> right now. So I'll be going no mail on this list and just checking in

> on the groups page from time to time. Best of luck to all of you in

> your journeys to health.

>

> May

>

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May I wish you all the best. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. God

bless you

and heal you.

Lou

Barb M wrote:

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> May - good luck on your journey - my prayers and hopes go with you for a

> speedy recovery

>

> Barb in NH

> >

> > I'll take this opportunity to say goodbye to everyone on this list.

> > I've learned a lot from you. However, I also learned today that I

> > have metastatic breast cancer to my bones, which I need to focus on

> > right now. So I'll be going no mail on this list and just checking in

> > on the groups page from time to time. Best of luck to all of you in

> > your journeys to health.

> >

> > May

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May I wish you all the best. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. God

bless you

and heal you.

Lou

Barb M wrote:

>

> May - good luck on your journey - my prayers and hopes go with you for a

> speedy recovery

>

> Barb in NH

> >

> > I'll take this opportunity to say goodbye to everyone on this list.

> > I've learned a lot from you. However, I also learned today that I

> > have metastatic breast cancer to my bones, which I need to focus on

> > right now. So I'll be going no mail on this list and just checking in

> > on the groups page from time to time. Best of luck to all of you in

> > your journeys to health.

> >

> > May

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