Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Hi and thanks for your private message back to me as well! Can't help notice your email -did you work in animation?! (I did for years and loved it!) How to know why toxins are where they are? Can't 'just' go by what was on the exact spot anymore. Have to find the links -but there is recent news on this subject Toxins area showing up in areas you wouldn't expect now (like in wildlife and affecting reproduction even in New England -in the middle of nature) In Union NJ near where I grew up, after they tore down the Bradley's on Avenue which used to be a store called Two Guys -and had to halt construction of building a Home Depot because of the amount of toxins found there. Yet another superfund site on a spot where there were no factories or anything on it prior. So as far as it being farmland prior and having no idea why there appears to be a higher number of affected children -it may have less to do with pesticides then we all may want to auto assume. That may however may be the answer that some may want you to think -but can tell you that in some areas -there's just no way of knowing where the toxins are coming from. It is apparent there are more areas like the following when you are living in " industrial areas " -so how close is industry to the farmland and what type? You can throw gunk away for just so long and guess eventually the world will spit it back up somewhere -even if it's not in the exact same spot -but somewhere in the same general vicinity. For example -in the stories about the black ooze near where I lived - that happened in a park (!) A park that kids would play ball in. Some says years and years ago however -before it was a park there was some type of manufacturing place there and back when there were no regulations as to what could be dumped -but nobody knows. So where would all the dangerous toxins come from that rose and are rising out of the water and killing birds and all in the following story -the one that was one of the reasons our family moved to Florida? Could it be illegal dumping? Could it be water that ran or is running underground carrying something from another area over? Could it be a soil thing, the way the soil rids itself of toxins over time that are not meant to be there? Rain? Who knows. I do know that the one below was fully reported by me and others to the EPA and the CDC in regards to our membership, apraxia, and the toxins found near our large group. In the stories below about the " black ooze " in NJ http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%20is%20high\ ly%20toxic.pdf (and it's stories in more than one way when you read the following - what a bunch of spinned crap they put out there for the intelligent NJ families in the area to read!) -it's today one of the EPA super fund sites -and last I heard the ooze was still rising up from someplace and that no -they don't know where it's coming from either. I also reported about 's son who lived right there -who flat lined in his gut -most severe and dangerous constipation example in this group. I was contacted by Brockovich law firm because one of our members let them know what we are finding. There are many other archives on this in this group -here's enough to keep you busy reading for a bit! Please let us all know what you find out in your searching. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archives From: kiddietalk@... Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:01 pm Subject: Re: new to list I love this Gin! " At the expense of sounding like a saddo Hippy I've recently been viewing 's issues - or how we're trying to tackle them - like a Rainbow. By that I mean I know I have to look all around the box & outside it & behind it and in front of it & pull at the various strands to attempt to unlock this multi-facted disorder. OT / PT/ ST / sequencing / social / diet. All mental, physical, psychological & biological approaches have to researched. No wonder this group list is so active! " I've had many conversations both on and off list about this -and again...I don't think our kids fit into any one box. I really believe that 'most' of our kids have something new -or a mutated version of what was around before. There has been a dramatic rise in our type of children -so the question is...why? When I heard about -I didn't just cry for -I cried because of -and I cried because I'm not sure what is going on with any of our children and why they have these similar problems, and why it's not researched and documented. When I wrote Canaries in the coal mine I put a quote in there about this " black ooze " that was rising from the soil of a stream in a park that is now closed. Heard the black ooze still is rising and is between one and four feet deep, nobody yet that lives in the area knows for 'sure' what it's from - in a town not far from where we lived...just one of many areas of Jersey where we had a pocket of apraxic children. The ooze was " Concentrations of polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, phenol, cadmium, chromium and lead " " They're (the substances) all bad. I wouldn't choose to live there. I wouldn't choose to interact there if I had a choice, " said Buckley, executive director of the Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences Institute, part of Rutgers University and the University of Medicine and Dentistry in Newark. " This is not a healthy place for kids to play. There's no doubt about it, " said Buckley, who recommended examining and monitoring some children for any effects. " http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,596491,00.html " Examining and monitoring our kids " ?!! Try they basically told us to not put away the kites and balls and " come on down " to play some more! (read below) They downplayed (and in spite of their lame attempt to do so -this was never picked up by any large media who won't be bullied -like Time) by saying the park was " only " closed due to " high levels of asbestos " ...actually in the new article the correct phrase is " Chunks of exposed asbestos " 10-12 feet high. The first article I read -which was pretty much right before we moved - was about dead birds found in the black ooze and how town officials said " they didn't believe it (the ooze) was harmful " and I wrote here " oh yeah it's every day that when a bird is ready to die they fly around looking for some black ooze to drop dead in " The town?...is the town we lived 10 minutes from. The town that just moved from. The town that little grew up in. As said to me today - " it was all around me " . Why didn't we know..well when the birds were found dead there were spin articles like this " PMK will probably recommend removal of the black substance and asbestos tiles and other remediation measures, ston told the Borough Council. ston gave the council an update yesterday on what his company is doing and what it has found so far. Among the results: The black ooze, which so far has mystified environmental officials, is as shallow as six inches and as deep as four feet in different parts of the park. An area found to contain " marginally high " concentrations of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) is an anomaly, ston said, and does not pose a substantial health hazard. While they do not know what the black substance is, tests have determined that it is not hazardous waste. A large quantity of stacked asbestos tiles extends underground about 10 feet to 12 feet into the park from the banks of the Bound Brook. The park was closed in mid-July after Spiegel, president of the Edison Wetlands Association, a nonprofit environmental group, discovered the asbestos. The federal Environmental Protection Agency told borough officials about the black substance late last year. Although tests determined there was no imminent health hazard, the borough decided to ask PMK Group to investigate and create a cleanup plan. " http://www.gsenet.org/library/11gsn/2002/gs020812.php And even though the ooze is still there -are they warning any parents today? Well let's just check more recent articles from the area and see what they have to say: " It's a clean, safe community that offers them everything that young families need, " says English, a lifelong resident who has been director for four years. " It's one of the reasons why people stay here. " The parks vary in size, from Willow Skate Park, the smallest at 2.18 acres, to Veterans Park, the largest with more than 30 acres. But Veterans has been closed since last summer after officials began investigating the discovery of asbestos tiles and a mysterious black ooze surfacing at the park. Borough officials, who have submitted a cleanup plan to the state Department of Environmental Protection for its approval, hope to open the park by the end of spring. Because Veterans Park has the largest ball field, English had to reduce the number of adult male teams in the softball league last year, a popular activity among residents, he says. But removing possibly hazardous materials is not the only work being done at borough parks. Putnam Park is the midst of a complete renovation, with the first phase of the project to be completed by March. The project will be adding a jogging path, off-site parking and a volleyball court, English says. " http://www.c-n.com/c-n/artman/publish/article_64.shtml " clean, safe community " in one line and " mysterious black ooze " in the next. (spin way to say " " Concentrations of polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, phenol, cadmium, chromium and lead rising out of the water for some unknown reason and killing local wildlife " ) The way it's written now it's " ooohhh -let's pack a lunch and take the kids to see the " mysterious black ooze " Well pretty soon you will be able to do just this! " In 60 days, our park will be reopened, our children will be back playing, " Mayor Dan Gallagher said after the borough got $250,000 from the state Department of Environmental Protection last month. " Oh -and the " not toxic " part they tried to tell us when they lied, I mean spinned... " " Used as a coolant in electrical equipment, PCBs have been linked to cancer and developmental disabilities. Cornell-Dubilier, a former electronics plant, has the highest concentrations of PCBs of any site in New Jersey, according to state and federal environmental officials. While PCBs usually are immobile in soil, those at Cornell-Dubilier have been dissolved by other chemicals dumped there and are pervasive in soil, groundwater and dust. " http://sierraactivist.org/article.php?sid=33550 One of the substances found in the oozing toxins was phenol. In medicine -they use a phenol block to basically create an apraxic situation -a motor planning block that strips the myelin. EFAs have remyelinating properties...is this one possible reason why they work? Since the mixture of chemicals changed the PCBs...it's logical to ask -what did the mixture do to the lead, or phenol...or the other toxins? (don't put turtles down the sewer in Jersey to try to make Ninja Turtles -that is just a cartoon) I'm not writing this to scare anyone...just be aware that there could be more than meets the eye not just in diagnosis -but for cause -and treatment. Watch for spin -and research. There is a rise in our kids -and we don't know why -and nobody knows for sure. We have found as a group that like Gin said -multisensory works -out of the box works. (and starting 'most' of our kids in kindergarten at 6) Toxins do change the body -and our kids may present as having this diagnosis or that...but years ago I bet they didn't have the exact mixture of toxins -and the amount -they have today. This is why I hope that the diagnosis for is wrong -just like some have been wrong for other points I've raised in the past. I'm not looking to be a rebel to disagree -I just see things different at times and as an inventor my mind just goes. And I hope now you all know why hearing about poor little ...one child...is praying for one child that could represent hundreds more. It's for all the canaries in the coal mine - our children who don't have a voice for themselves. http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html And the way the local press took a spin angle -makes you wonder who's behind the cover up. One of my MD friends doesn't like when I write this stuff -is afraid someone will try to shut me up. But all of you know now too. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Sorry the one link didn't show up -so may have to cut and paste it http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%20is%20high\ ly%20toxic.pdf (or just put the words toxic ooze nj into search at Google -first link) And about the recent news I said I had to find (thanks Sallie Bernard!) http://briloon.org/mercury/ -Scientific paper' Article on this subject of why we need to look at soil, birds, insects etc. Higher levels of mercury seen polluting region By Beth Daley, Globe Staff | March 8, 2005 Mercury contamination is more pervasive in New England than researchers previously believed, according to a study being released today that indicates the toxic substance appears to be polluting the environment in ways that scientists previously did not think possible. The four-year study in Northeastern United States and eastern Canada also indicates significant levels of mercury in forest songbirds and other animals that researchers did not suspect were ingesting mercury. The study, comprising 21 papers being published in the journal Ecotoxicology, also identifies nine hot spots in the region, including in the lower Merrimack River area in Massachusetts and New Hampshire where mercury levels in animals such as brook trout, loons, mink, and eagles are alarmingly high. In some locations, the levels appear to be interfering with some species' reproduction. " The impacts of mercury go well beyond what anyone would have envisioned yesterday, " said Bender, director of the Mercury Policy Project in Vermont and cochairman of the state mercury committee, who was not involved in the study. " It doesn't look like there are any limits on mercury's reach. " The $300,000 study, financed by the US Department of Agriculture's Northeastern States Research ative, enlisted 50 scientists to analyze existing data of mercury in animals, soil, rivers, lakes, and streams. It also looked for the first time at mercury levels in such species as salamanders and songbirds in the region. Mercury can damage the developing brains of fetuses and children and can cause a host of physiological and behavioral problems in wildlife. The naturally occurring element is released into the air by coal-fired power plants and eventually falls to land. The Northeastern areas of the United States and Canada have signifi- cantly cut mercury emissions. But mercury continues to drift from elsewhere in the country, and amounts harmful to humans and wildlife persist in the environment. For years, scientists and public policy makers have focused on mercury that is emitted from power plants and incinerators and falls into lakes and ponds, where it is easily converted into its toxic form when it interacts with bacteria in freshwater sediment. Across the region, pregnant woman and children have been warned not to eat many freshwater fish because the creatures can pass on the mercury concentrated in their flesh. But today's report indicates that the same type of toxic conversion may be happening on mountaintops and forests, with mercury falling out of the sky onto tree leaves and then dropping onto the moist forest floor. Tiny insects then take up the mercury, and as insects are eaten by larger creatures the mercury accumulates in greater concentrations up the food chain, said C. Evers, executive director of the BioDiversity Research Institute who helped conceive the research idea with Tom Clair, of Environment Canada, that country's environmental protection agency. " These terrestrial systems have been completely overlooked, " said Evers, who wants far more monitoring of the environment. " It's a complicated story, and we don't have all the answers yet. " The scientists found elevated mercury levels in Bicknell's thrushes, a small, forest bird with a distinctive song. In one instance, a Northern waterthrush from the Sudbury River in Massachusetts was found to have mercury levels higher than each of 100 juvenile bald eagles tested. Eagles, at the top of the food chain, can have signi ficant mercury levels presumably because their diet includes fish. Thrushes like to eat insects. High concentrations of mercury in salamanders were found in Acadia National Park. Mink and otter in Massachusetts and Connecticut, which have historically been tested for mercury, continued to show levels in their fur that are known to harm their health, although the levels have declined in recent years. Scientists are just now beginning to document mercury's impact on the songbirds and salamanders because those creatures have not been widely studied. However, based on what they know about aquatic species such as loons, they say there could be ecological health effects. Loons in Maine and New Hampshire with high mercury levels have 40 percent fewer young than those with less mercury, according to previous research by Evers. The hot spots in the Northeast include the Rangely Lakes Region, Upper Penobscot River watershed, and parts of midcoast and Down East Maine, all of which are home to otter, mink, brook trout, yellow perch, bald eagle, and the common loon whose mercury levels already exceed safe levels. Hot spots were generally de- fined as areas with two or more species that had mercury levels above known thresholds for adverse health effects. The study is being released as environmentalists press for federal mercury emission limits for coal, fire, and power plants. While the nine states, including Massachusetts, have or are attempting to put mercury controls in place, there are more than 100 new coal- fired power plants proposed in the United States, and environmentalists fear more mercury will be released into the environment. " Wildlife is truly on the front line of the mercury contamination problem, " said Felice Stadler, mercury policy specialist for the National Wildlife Federation. " This new research makes a compelling case for why we need to reduce mercury pollution today. " Beth Daley can be reached at Bdaley@.... © Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Thanks so much ... I had no idea. This is huge. This is not a genetic condition! This is the enviromental and physiological aftermath of pollution. I pulled the report by my zipcode (60544)from the EPA. I was absolutely amazed at the amounts of air pollution released into the air near my home, as well as the amount of companies allowed permits to contaminate the water and sewers in my community. I am sad that so many families go uninformed... you will never know (or care!) until something happens to you. I used my husbands e-mail address to become a member since he had a account... he was a 3-d animator for about 3 years. He loved it until his company closed its art department 2 years ago. He is now a product developer for a custom car accessory company. He wishes he was doing something else...like making cartoons again! I on the other hand, am a hairstylist. I am now considering the risk I exposed to, in utero. There is nothing I can do about it now, so no use blaming myself due to ignorance on the subject, but I have worked with chemicals nearly everyday of my life for the last, almost, 10 years. I left the salon 1 year ago to work from home. I still work with chemicals, but on a very limited basis. I have since just begun the venture of real estate investing. One of my main reasons for finding a new career is to eliminate myself and family from the exposure to chemicals. I was already tested for MS the year before I concieved , with a negative diagnosis. ( Which is interestingly also a condition that has to do with the deterioration of the myelin that coats the nerves...) It is a common diagnosis among hairstylists and nail techs. I also did nails in the salon for about 3 years, but was exposed to those chemicals by proxy, regardless. I am only 28 years old and fear that someday I will pay the price myself for that exposure. I already suffer from arthritis as well as some recall memory loss. Time will tell... I will begin investigating this aspect to the condition further. I not only want to find a cure, I want to PREVENT this from happening to anyone else's family or child. Adovocacy is the cure. Speaking up... and appropriatley so. I will keep you posted in weeks and months ahead of any information that I find. It would also be helpful to me if the any other memebers of the site can recall any information regarding exposure to chemicals during their pregnancies that would raise any concerns. What professions were the mothers in during their pregnancies? What type of enviroment are they living in currently, and at the time their child was diagnosed? Has every member of this site pulled an EPA report for their zip code? I would be interested in hearing from anyone who is willing to share their information... Thanks again, ... for all that you are doing! You are amazing! Ferenzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Hi Michele, You can check the zip codes for where you worked and lived at the EPA site http://www.epa.gov They have incredible mapping ability -or you can just do the easy route and put in your zip here http://www.epa.gov/epahome/commsearch.htm Main page for " where you live " http://www.epa.gov/epahome/whereyoulive.htm ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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