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I'm confused here. I am taking 120 mg armour thyroid and he wanted to

raise it to 160, but than he puts me on 75 levoxyl. I am know thinking

about just staying on the armour.

Can some tell me the difference in these amounts?

Fionna

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:21 -0000 " loboshe " writes:

Armour works. Armour works SUPERBLY. And it's important when you

switch from any T4-only med to natural thyroid like Armour to know

that you will often need MUCH more than the equivalency charts show.

For example, I was on .125 of a T4-only med, and according to

Armour's equivalency chart, my dose should have been 1 1/4 grain!!

Wrong. My optimal dose turned out to be 3 grains!!

Even before I got up to 3 grains, I thought that 2 grains was

certainly my optimal dose. But over a few months, I realized that I

still had a few minor issues. So I went up, 1/4 grain at a time, to 3

grains. VOILA!!

Also, I confess to being influenced. When I heard that the average

minimum optimal dose of Armour was 3-5 grains BEFORE T4-only meds and

labs came out, I wanted to try going up. It worked.

I am now up to 3 1/2 grains, with no hyper effects. I do sublingually

2 grains in the mid-morning, 1 grain in the early afternoon, and 1/2

grain at bedtime.

Janie

Armour's (inaccurate) equivalency chart:

1/4 grain for 25 mcg (.025 mg) T4

1/2 grain for 50 mcg (.05 mg) T4

1 grain for 100 mcg ( .1 mg) T4

1 1/2 grains for 150 mcg (.15 mg) T4

2 grains for 200 mcg (.2 mg) T4

3 grains for 300 mcg (.3 mg) T4

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Fionna, there is really no reason to add T4 to your Armour. Now I

know I will step on some toes here (ducking to avoid shoes thrown at

me), but most folks do great on Armour alone. Armour is 80% T4

anyway. Yes, the human thyroid produces closer to 93% T4, but there

seems to be some positive aspect to getting the 20% direct T3 in

Armour.

When you raise your Armour, you are getting more of everything. When

you stop your Armour at a certain point, and add T4, you are losing

out on the extra direct T3, the T2, T1 and calcitonin.

But....neither am I saying it is wrong or bad to add the T4!! If it

works for you, go for it. I just don't think it's necessary!

Janie :o)

> I'm confused here. I am taking 120 mg armour thyroid and he wanted

to

> raise it to 160, but than he puts me on 75 levoxyl. I am know

thinking

> about just staying on the armour.

>

> Can some tell me the difference in these amounts?

>

> Fionna

>

> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:21 -0000 " loboshe " <usns@r...> writes:

> Armour works. Armour works SUPERBLY. And it's important when you

> switch from any T4-only med to natural thyroid like Armour to know

> that you will often need MUCH more than the equivalency charts

show.

>

> For example, I was on .125 of a T4-only med, and according to

> Armour's equivalency chart, my dose should have been 1 1/4 grain!!

> Wrong. My optimal dose turned out to be 3 grains!!

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Fionna, there is really no reason to add T4 to your Armour. Now I

know I will step on some toes here (ducking to avoid shoes thrown at

me), but most folks do great on Armour alone. Armour is 80% T4

anyway. Yes, the human thyroid produces closer to 93% T4, but there

seems to be some positive aspect to getting the 20% direct T3 in

Armour.

When you raise your Armour, you are getting more of everything. When

you stop your Armour at a certain point, and add T4, you are losing

out on the extra direct T3, the T2, T1 and calcitonin.

But....neither am I saying it is wrong or bad to add the T4!! If it

works for you, go for it. I just don't think it's necessary!

Janie :o)

> I'm confused here. I am taking 120 mg armour thyroid and he wanted

to

> raise it to 160, but than he puts me on 75 levoxyl. I am know

thinking

> about just staying on the armour.

>

> Can some tell me the difference in these amounts?

>

> Fionna

>

> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:21 -0000 " loboshe " <usns@r...> writes:

> Armour works. Armour works SUPERBLY. And it's important when you

> switch from any T4-only med to natural thyroid like Armour to know

> that you will often need MUCH more than the equivalency charts

show.

>

> For example, I was on .125 of a T4-only med, and according to

> Armour's equivalency chart, my dose should have been 1 1/4 grain!!

> Wrong. My optimal dose turned out to be 3 grains!!

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That's right.

Re: When SWITCHING from T4......to ARMOUR

> Armour is confusing here. The tablet size for a 1 grain tablet is 60

> mg. But, this is not the actual content of thryoid hormone. 1 grain

> of Armour has this much T3 and T4:

>

> Levothyroxine (T4) = 38 mcg

> Liothyronine (T3) = 9mcg

>

> So, 60 mg is the amount of thryoid extract in a 1 grain tablet

> containing many things, two of which are T3 and T4.

>

> (Note: in a previous post I erroneously gave the amount of hormone

> in a 2 grain tablet instead of a 1 grain tablet. Please, please

> accept my apologies.)

>

> T3 is about 4 times as strong as T4. So you multiply the T3 times 4

> and add this number to the T4 in the tablet. This will get you:

>

> 9 mcg T3 x 4 = 36 (T4 equivelent)

>

> 36 (T4 equivelent) + 38 (T4 in tablet) = 74 mcg Synthroid

>

> So, the very rough equvelent of 1 grain of Armour is 74 mcg of

> Synthroid. This does not take into account how sensitive you might

> be to T3 or whether you can take up Armour better or your individual

> difference in how your body handles fillers.

>

> Tish

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That's right.

Re: When SWITCHING from T4......to ARMOUR

> Armour is confusing here. The tablet size for a 1 grain tablet is 60

> mg. But, this is not the actual content of thryoid hormone. 1 grain

> of Armour has this much T3 and T4:

>

> Levothyroxine (T4) = 38 mcg

> Liothyronine (T3) = 9mcg

>

> So, 60 mg is the amount of thryoid extract in a 1 grain tablet

> containing many things, two of which are T3 and T4.

>

> (Note: in a previous post I erroneously gave the amount of hormone

> in a 2 grain tablet instead of a 1 grain tablet. Please, please

> accept my apologies.)

>

> T3 is about 4 times as strong as T4. So you multiply the T3 times 4

> and add this number to the T4 in the tablet. This will get you:

>

> 9 mcg T3 x 4 = 36 (T4 equivelent)

>

> 36 (T4 equivelent) + 38 (T4 in tablet) = 74 mcg Synthroid

>

> So, the very rough equvelent of 1 grain of Armour is 74 mcg of

> Synthroid. This does not take into account how sensitive you might

> be to T3 or whether you can take up Armour better or your individual

> difference in how your body handles fillers.

>

> Tish

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That's right.

Re: When SWITCHING from T4......to ARMOUR

> Armour is confusing here. The tablet size for a 1 grain tablet is 60

> mg. But, this is not the actual content of thryoid hormone. 1 grain

> of Armour has this much T3 and T4:

>

> Levothyroxine (T4) = 38 mcg

> Liothyronine (T3) = 9mcg

>

> So, 60 mg is the amount of thryoid extract in a 1 grain tablet

> containing many things, two of which are T3 and T4.

>

> (Note: in a previous post I erroneously gave the amount of hormone

> in a 2 grain tablet instead of a 1 grain tablet. Please, please

> accept my apologies.)

>

> T3 is about 4 times as strong as T4. So you multiply the T3 times 4

> and add this number to the T4 in the tablet. This will get you:

>

> 9 mcg T3 x 4 = 36 (T4 equivelent)

>

> 36 (T4 equivelent) + 38 (T4 in tablet) = 74 mcg Synthroid

>

> So, the very rough equvelent of 1 grain of Armour is 74 mcg of

> Synthroid. This does not take into account how sensitive you might

> be to T3 or whether you can take up Armour better or your individual

> difference in how your body handles fillers.

>

> Tish

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I don't know where they get this equivalency thing, except by straight out

mathematics, but we're not a bunch of objects in a box who all need exactly

the same thing. When changing to Armour, chemical reactions start changing

in our bodies (in a positive way), so there's no way that the conversion on

the Armour site or others add up. I had just gone to 125 mcgs of Levoxyl

for a few months, before I made the change. I'm now on 120 mgs of Armour,

so the math just doesn't add up going from one person to another. Time and

experimentation (in a careful way) are what makes the decision from one

person to another. That doesn't mean that I'm at my optimal dose, but keep

in mind that I can't run out and test whenever I want to and have more than

one issue, although it is probably all related to thyroid, basically, and we

have to keep the false readings of high antibodies in mind, plus the way

they can make us feel. I think we certainly don't know everything about

what these antibodies can do as of yet.

When SWITCHING from T4......to ARMOUR

>

> Armour works. Armour works SUPERBLY. And it's important when you

> switch from any T4-only med to natural thyroid like Armour to know

> that you will often need MUCH more than the equivalency charts show.

>

> For example, I was on .125 of a T4-only med, and according to

> Armour's equivalency chart, my dose should have been 1 1/4 grain!!

> Wrong. My optimal dose turned out to be 3 grains!!

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I don't know where they get this equivalency thing, except by straight out

mathematics, but we're not a bunch of objects in a box who all need exactly

the same thing. When changing to Armour, chemical reactions start changing

in our bodies (in a positive way), so there's no way that the conversion on

the Armour site or others add up. I had just gone to 125 mcgs of Levoxyl

for a few months, before I made the change. I'm now on 120 mgs of Armour,

so the math just doesn't add up going from one person to another. Time and

experimentation (in a careful way) are what makes the decision from one

person to another. That doesn't mean that I'm at my optimal dose, but keep

in mind that I can't run out and test whenever I want to and have more than

one issue, although it is probably all related to thyroid, basically, and we

have to keep the false readings of high antibodies in mind, plus the way

they can make us feel. I think we certainly don't know everything about

what these antibodies can do as of yet.

When SWITCHING from T4......to ARMOUR

>

> Armour works. Armour works SUPERBLY. And it's important when you

> switch from any T4-only med to natural thyroid like Armour to know

> that you will often need MUCH more than the equivalency charts show.

>

> For example, I was on .125 of a T4-only med, and according to

> Armour's equivalency chart, my dose should have been 1 1/4 grain!!

> Wrong. My optimal dose turned out to be 3 grains!!

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