Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 > ~ FROM WEBMD HEALTH ~ > > Teens Need Early Gynecologist Visit > > Girls should make their first visit to a > gynecologist between the ages of 13 and 15, says the > American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists > (ACOG). Hi, Oh my gosh, I know I am not the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists but I had such a big negative reaction to that I have to express my lowly opinion. I think that is the dog's dinner. If there is a medical problem, a gyn is needed--hopefully a female, fine. With all the trouble that we as a group of women with gyn problems have had with gyn's and all the things that have been inflicted upon us in our lifetimes, I can't imagine anybody doing that if they are thinking straight but who am I? Sex education should be given in a non personal environment, classroom, lecture, a female physician's assistant or counselor at a Planned Parenthood office that the girl has made her own private personal appointment with or with a friend, or a talk with an adult friend,------anywhere but a gyn's office for a teenager. Kids know a lot about their bodies and should be encouraged to know a lot but shouldn't be encouraged to think of their bodies and sexuality as sick or a medical problem to be instructed to by a physician. I was thirteen once and 15 and 16 and 17 and 18. I would never want to put my daughter through that little excercise without it being an absolute emergency and the last resort. I can't even imagine doing that. Just my opinion. Arline ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I couldn't agree more, Arline. You are right on! My daughter is 20 and has never set foot in a doctors office let alone gyn office. We are big on self care and it has worked tremendously for us. My 20 and 18 year olds are living out on their own now and they tell me everytime their roommates/friends are coughing, they are at the clinic or doc's office. It's amazing to me these other kids have been trained to seek medical attention for the most benign things. My son and his roommate are both rockclimbers and I was so proud the other day to hear my son say he wished his room mate ate better...'all he eats is junk, no wonder he's always getting injured and takes long to recover'. My kids have been well educated on how to eat well and thankgoodness that will stay with them their whole lives. That, and the deep-seated knowledged that avoiding doctors unless it's an absolute emergency is the best self care in the world. Most things can be taken care of completely on our own with common sense and a good diet and 'time'---yes, most things we can just 'leave alone and monitor' and they resolve themselves in 24-48 hours anyway. However, most of us, out of fear, have been brainwashed to run at the first sign, to doctors for just about everything. It's a mindset and if folks are used to running to doctors, it will make sense to them to take their daughters to gyn's for no good reason. Oh well, i don't get it either CarolLynn _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.\ live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 are you saying you treat Vulvadynia with out a doctor? or just everything else. we dont run to doc either but I had TO BEG for help with this pain. love, ML -------------- Original message from "CarolLynn DiFelice" : -------------- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Unless a girl suffers from abnormal bleeding or abdominal or pelvic pain, a first gynecological visit doesn't have to include a physical exam, a Pap test, or a pelvic exam, Laufer says. The article goes on to state that the first visit should consist mainly of discussions about various things including menstruation, sexuality, healthy nutrition, eating disorders, and normal development, Laufer says.. Most girls have already been exposed to such information long before they are 13 years old, along with a lot of misinformation, and if they don't have the proper mentality to absorb what they have learned already, a visit to a gyn is not going to reinforce their knowledge. If the ACOG is really interested in the health of 13 to 15 year olds perhaps they would be willing to send some of their members to schools to properly educate the girls. Ora Here is the article at: http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/122/114509.htm Group Recommends Visits Start When Girls Are 13 to 15 By Charlene Laino WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 May 9, 2006 (Washington) -- Girls should make their first visit to a gynecologist between the ages of 13 and 15, says the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). " The goal is to get acquainted with the provider before you need care for a specific health problem, " says Mark R. Laufer, MD, chief of gynecology at Children's Hospital in Boston and chairman of ACOG's Committee on Adolescent Health. Among topics that should be discussed are menstruation, sexuality, healthy nutrition, eating disorders, and normal development, Laufer says. The new ACOG committee opinion was released at ACOG's annual meeting. Opportunity to Ask Questions Unless a girl suffers from abnormal bleeding or abdominal or pelvic pain, a first gynecological visit doesn't have to include a physical exam, a Pap test, or a pelvic exam, Laufer says. Instead, it's an opportunity for girls to start learning about staying healthy and to confide their sexual history to a nonjudgmental health expert. " It provides an opportunity for teens to ask questions they may be too embarrassed to ask family or friends, " he says. " It also helps ensure that gynecological myths are not perpetuated on the school bus. " Most Teens Sexually Active Lesley L. Breech, MD, assistant professor in the division of adolescent medicine at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, says the visit is also an excellent opportunity to discuss pregnancypregnancy prevention and sexually transmitted diseases. " This is crucial, " she says, " as more than 85% of them will have had some form of sexual contact by age 19, and nearly one-third of ninth graders and more than 60% of 12th graders report having sexual intercourse. " If a teen is sexually active, she should be screened for sexually transmitted diseases, Breech adds. Breech also recommends that parents be included in an initial discussion. " Conversations regarding normal pubertal development and menstruation can be reassuring for both mothers and daughters, as neither frequently knows exactly what is normal and what is not. " But after that initial talk, the teen and provider should be left alone to develop a one-on-one trusted relationship, she says. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SOURCES: American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists annual meeting, Washington, D.C., May 6-10, 2006. Mark R. Laufer, MD, chief of gynecology, Children's Hospital, Boston; chairman, ACOG Committee on Adolescent Health. Lesley L. Breech, MD, assistant professor, division of adolescent medicine, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Everything you're saying, Arline.....all terrific points! CarolLynn _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Everything you're saying, Arline.....all terrific points! CarolLynn _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Well, let me put it this way malada..... Every single treatment I've done for myself regarding vulvodynia has been researched by me and 'requisitoned/suggested' to my doctors......outside of this, was dr. melmed who was the only one with experience with vulvodynia....and his protocol......going on a low oxolate diet, overall made my symptoms the worse they had been in 3 years. The E and T creams, i learned about through Dee and this site and would never have found them thru most MD's....had to delicately and gingerly 'beg' for them to try...talk about feeling subjugated. The only thing any other doctor has seen fit to give me was steroid cream which is ridiculous (told to use it the rest of my life) and antidepressants. I can't say md's have been much help when we're the ones doing all the research and they are the ones getting paid! Something is not quite right here! Anyway, if someone out of desperation must see a doctor, then so be it....I'm just saying that for me and my family, it's the last place i turn to to get/stay well. There are some treasures out there, but they are like a needle in a hay stack. And my goodness, who would dream of taking their daughters to an md, to learn a single thing about nutrition and eating well?? I like what Arline said about doctors taking their sons in for that same sort of thing. Why do we see it as totally unnecessary for boys...if not outright ridulous....and necessary for girls?? I can't figure this one out. But of course, it will make tremendous sense to many others, so people will do it...eventually 'expect' it and ultimately 'demand' it. Oh well. CarolLynn _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.\ live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Well, let me put it this way malada..... Every single treatment I've done for myself regarding vulvodynia has been researched by me and 'requisitoned/suggested' to my doctors......outside of this, was dr. melmed who was the only one with experience with vulvodynia....and his protocol......going on a low oxolate diet, overall made my symptoms the worse they had been in 3 years. The E and T creams, i learned about through Dee and this site and would never have found them thru most MD's....had to delicately and gingerly 'beg' for them to try...talk about feeling subjugated. The only thing any other doctor has seen fit to give me was steroid cream which is ridiculous (told to use it the rest of my life) and antidepressants. I can't say md's have been much help when we're the ones doing all the research and they are the ones getting paid! Something is not quite right here! Anyway, if someone out of desperation must see a doctor, then so be it....I'm just saying that for me and my family, it's the last place i turn to to get/stay well. There are some treasures out there, but they are like a needle in a hay stack. And my goodness, who would dream of taking their daughters to an md, to learn a single thing about nutrition and eating well?? I like what Arline said about doctors taking their sons in for that same sort of thing. Why do we see it as totally unnecessary for boys...if not outright ridulous....and necessary for girls?? I can't figure this one out. But of course, it will make tremendous sense to many others, so people will do it...eventually 'expect' it and ultimately 'demand' it. Oh well. CarolLynn _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.\ live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Well, let me put it this way malada..... Every single treatment I've done for myself regarding vulvodynia has been researched by me and 'requisitoned/suggested' to my doctors......outside of this, was dr. melmed who was the only one with experience with vulvodynia....and his protocol......going on a low oxolate diet, overall made my symptoms the worse they had been in 3 years. The E and T creams, i learned about through Dee and this site and would never have found them thru most MD's....had to delicately and gingerly 'beg' for them to try...talk about feeling subjugated. The only thing any other doctor has seen fit to give me was steroid cream which is ridiculous (told to use it the rest of my life) and antidepressants. I can't say md's have been much help when we're the ones doing all the research and they are the ones getting paid! Something is not quite right here! Anyway, if someone out of desperation must see a doctor, then so be it....I'm just saying that for me and my family, it's the last place i turn to to get/stay well. There are some treasures out there, but they are like a needle in a hay stack. And my goodness, who would dream of taking their daughters to an md, to learn a single thing about nutrition and eating well?? I like what Arline said about doctors taking their sons in for that same sort of thing. Why do we see it as totally unnecessary for boys...if not outright ridulous....and necessary for girls?? I can't figure this one out. But of course, it will make tremendous sense to many others, so people will do it...eventually 'expect' it and ultimately 'demand' it. Oh well. CarolLynn _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.\ live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 thanks carol lynn...and you got my name wrong..I am mary lou adams...not malada LOL....OH I have been so blessed with my three female docs and the nurse practioners too!! I am sad to say I HAD to have the help of all of them to even find out what in the hay was the problem. thanks for posting...love, ML it shorter and easier LOL!! Well, let me put it this way malada "I am too blessed to be stressed and too anointed to be disappointed!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 <<...if the docs would dragtheir 13 year old sons in to have a rectal digitalexam of the prostate and to discuss sexuality,ejaculation, healthy nutrition, eating disorders, andnormal development with several appointments?>> Hilarious. No one would even think of it, would they? I didn't go to the gyn until I was 20 and needed to get on BC because I was gettting married. It was one of the most horrific experiences I can remember related to the V pain and would never want my daughter to go through that unnecessarily. These points of discussion will undoubtedly be made at home with a mom who is not afraid of talking openly. I think when you talk openly from the time they are born, they will not feel wierd AND you may not even have to formally sit down and have "the talk." It will all have been addressed in a non-threatening way. Just my two cents! And I would talk just as openly to my boy, too, so no digital prostate exam just yet! Becky Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 <<...if the docs would dragtheir 13 year old sons in to have a rectal digitalexam of the prostate and to discuss sexuality,ejaculation, healthy nutrition, eating disorders, andnormal development with several appointments?>> Hilarious. No one would even think of it, would they? I didn't go to the gyn until I was 20 and needed to get on BC because I was gettting married. It was one of the most horrific experiences I can remember related to the V pain and would never want my daughter to go through that unnecessarily. These points of discussion will undoubtedly be made at home with a mom who is not afraid of talking openly. I think when you talk openly from the time they are born, they will not feel wierd AND you may not even have to formally sit down and have "the talk." It will all have been addressed in a non-threatening way. Just my two cents! And I would talk just as openly to my boy, too, so no digital prostate exam just yet! Becky Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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