Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 In a message dated 9/12/2004 10:54:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzizink@... writes: > ??.....I just think you are terribly underdosed and it > takes time to build it up.....what do you other people > think???........ i totally agree with you. underdosed and not enough time. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 In a message dated 9/12/2004 10:54:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzizink@... writes: > ??.....I just think you are terribly underdosed and it > takes time to build it up.....what do you other people > think???........ i totally agree with you. underdosed and not enough time. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 --- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Alyce " > > body. > > at 1200 out of a range 0-34. I've tried armour, I've tried t3. > I've gone back on synthroid on my own because though it didn't help > tremendously, it was better than nothing and both the armour and > straight t3 made me psychotic. The armour made me cry and > paranoid... the t3 just made me depressed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How much Armour were you taking, Alyce???.....sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 > --- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Alyce " > > body. > > > > at 1200 out of a range 0-34. I've tried armour, I've tried t3. > > I've gone back on synthroid on my own because though it didn't help > > tremendously, it was better than nothing and both the armour and > > straight t3 made me psychotic. The armour made me cry and > > paranoid... the t3 just made me depressed. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > How much Armour were you taking, Alyce???.....sue started at 1/2 grain (30 mg)... every week went up until I was on 5 (so I guess 2.5 grains)... after that we tried the straight t3. Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 > --- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Alyce " > > body. > > > > at 1200 out of a range 0-34. I've tried armour, I've tried t3. > > I've gone back on synthroid on my own because though it didn't help > > tremendously, it was better than nothing and both the armour and > > straight t3 made me psychotic. The armour made me cry and > > paranoid... the t3 just made me depressed. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > How much Armour were you taking, Alyce???.....sue started at 1/2 grain (30 mg)... every week went up until I was on 5 (so I guess 2.5 grains)... after that we tried the straight t3. Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Not near enough, Alyce, and you did not give it enough time....straight T3--how much was that???....50 of cytomel or less??.....and it sounds like you did not take any Armour while on that, right??.....I just think you are terribly underdosed and it takes time to build it up.....what do you other people think???........sue ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > --- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Alyce " > > body. > > > > > > at 1200 out of a range 0-34. I've tried armour, I've tried t3. > > > I've gone back on synthroid on my own because though it didn't > help > > > tremendously, it was better than nothing and both the armour and > > > straight t3 made me psychotic. The armour made me cry and > > > paranoid... the t3 just made me depressed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > How much Armour were you taking, Alyce???.....sue > > started at 1/2 grain (30 mg)... every week went up until I was on 5 > (so I guess 2.5 grains)... after that we tried the straight t3. > > Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Every week increases are entirely too fast for the body to catch up on something it's not used to. I simply do NOT understand where anyone gets that we should ever increase this fast. We forget that it takes time to even out the levels of what's going in our bodies. No wonder you were psychotic and weepy, I would have been too! Each dose increase should be done no sooner than 6 wks apart from the last one, then retest. When our bodies are sick from this disease, it takes time unravel all these things, it can't be done in a month or even in 6 months completely. Always stay on one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you need to go up. Fast moving dosage increases are asking for trouble because we're not talking about the storage hormone here (T4), we're talking about very fast acting T3, both in the Armour and the straight T3. It's too much too fast. Re: t3?--Alyce > > > --- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Alyce " > > body. > > > > > > at 1200 out of a range 0-34. I've tried armour, I've tried t3. > > > I've gone back on synthroid on my own because though it didn't > help > > > tremendously, it was better than nothing and both the armour and > > > straight t3 made me psychotic. The armour made me cry and > > > paranoid... the t3 just made me depressed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > How much Armour were you taking, Alyce???.....sue > > started at 1/2 grain (30 mg)... every week went up until I was on 5 > (so I guess 2.5 grains)... after that we tried the straight t3. > > Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 It takes time, and she didn't give it enough time. We don't get in this condition in a day, and it takes a lot more time, up to two yrs, with some people (like me), to undo what's been done. Some people see a whole lot of difference right away, but we're all chemically different from one another, and we didn't necessarily know everything that had been going on inside of us at the time we went onto these meds. I just really got my dose reasonably stabilized (though not complete as of yet) several months ago, but that doesn't mean that my whole body is in good shape yet. Re: t3?--Alyce > > Not near enough, Alyce, and you did not give it enough > time....straight T3--how much was that???....50 of cytomel or > less??.....and it sounds like you did not take any Armour while on > that, right??.....I just think you are terribly underdosed and it > takes time to build it up.....what do you other people > think???........sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 It takes time, and she didn't give it enough time. We don't get in this condition in a day, and it takes a lot more time, up to two yrs, with some people (like me), to undo what's been done. Some people see a whole lot of difference right away, but we're all chemically different from one another, and we didn't necessarily know everything that had been going on inside of us at the time we went onto these meds. I just really got my dose reasonably stabilized (though not complete as of yet) several months ago, but that doesn't mean that my whole body is in good shape yet. Re: t3?--Alyce > > Not near enough, Alyce, and you did not give it enough > time....straight T3--how much was that???....50 of cytomel or > less??.....and it sounds like you did not take any Armour while on > that, right??.....I just think you are terribly underdosed and it > takes time to build it up.....what do you other people > think???........sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > Always stay on > one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you > need to go up. if I had done that, I'd still be sleeping on the couch. Don't you think the literature indicating that Armour can be upped every two weeks is okay for some folks? Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:29:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I just really got my dose > reasonably stabilized (though not complete as of yet) several months ago, > but that doesn't mean that my whole body is in good shape yet. > how long ago did you start Armour? Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:29:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I just really got my dose > reasonably stabilized (though not complete as of yet) several months ago, > but that doesn't mean that my whole body is in good shape yet. > how long ago did you start Armour? Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 great advice > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Re: t3?--Alyce >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:18:52 -0500 Every week increases are entirely too fast for the body to catch up on something it's not used to. I simply do NOT understand where anyone gets that we should ever increase this fast. We forget that it takes time to even out the levels of what's going in our bodies. No wonder you were psychotic and weepy, I would have been too! Each dose increase should be done no sooner than 6 wks apart from the last one, then retest. When our bodies are sick from this disease, it takes time unravel all these things, it can't be done in a month or even in 6 months completely. Always stay on one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you need to go up. Fast moving dosage increases are asking for trouble because we're not talking about the storage hormone here (T4), we're talking about very fast acting T3, both in the Armour and the straight T3. It's too much > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 great advice > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Re: t3?--Alyce >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:18:52 -0500 Every week increases are entirely too fast for the body to catch up on something it's not used to. I simply do NOT understand where anyone gets that we should ever increase this fast. We forget that it takes time to even out the levels of what's going in our bodies. No wonder you were psychotic and weepy, I would have been too! Each dose increase should be done no sooner than 6 wks apart from the last one, then retest. When our bodies are sick from this disease, it takes time unravel all these things, it can't be done in a month or even in 6 months completely. Always stay on one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you need to go up. Fast moving dosage increases are asking for trouble because we're not talking about the storage hormone here (T4), we're talking about very fast acting T3, both in the Armour and the straight T3. It's too much > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 great advice > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Re: t3?--Alyce >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:18:52 -0500 Every week increases are entirely too fast for the body to catch up on something it's not used to. I simply do NOT understand where anyone gets that we should ever increase this fast. We forget that it takes time to even out the levels of what's going in our bodies. No wonder you were psychotic and weepy, I would have been too! Each dose increase should be done no sooner than 6 wks apart from the last one, then retest. When our bodies are sick from this disease, it takes time unravel all these things, it can't be done in a month or even in 6 months completely. Always stay on one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you need to go up. Fast moving dosage increases are asking for trouble because we're not talking about the storage hormone here (T4), we're talking about very fast acting T3, both in the Armour and the straight T3. It's too much > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 > Every week increases are entirely too fast for the body to catch up on > something it's not used to. Thanks all for the input! I'll figure something out. Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 > Every week increases are entirely too fast for the body to catch up on > something it's not used to. Thanks all for the input! I'll figure something out. Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 In a message dated 9/15/2004 8:00:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > It takes time for " repairs " and > " catching up " inner workings of the body. I need to keep hearing this. I was able to up very fast with no problems until I got to the 4 grain dose. And then my body rebelled a bit. But all the hypo symptoms are gone and the rebellion was a very bad short of breath that goes away with adrenal support. But any exertion or stress or lack of sleep really sets me back. I keep wondering why the T4 doesn't convert to keep things level. But like you said...I think in all of us there is just a long period of adjustment. Two decades of deficiency does it damage...and doesn't go away in six months. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 In a message dated 9/15/2004 7:27:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I believe that you and a few others may be acceptions, but I don't think > this is taking into consideration most people After reading so many accounts from folks, I think I am an exception too. I was very surprised at how fast I could up...but my body soaked it up like a sponge. And the hypo symptoms just started going away - but there is an overall weakness that I feel is from the years of defiency. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 In a message dated 9/15/2004 7:27:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I believe that you and a few others may be acceptions, but I don't think > this is taking into consideration most people After reading so many accounts from folks, I think I am an exception too. I was very surprised at how fast I could up...but my body soaked it up like a sponge. And the hypo symptoms just started going away - but there is an overall weakness that I feel is from the years of defiency. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 I believe that you and a few others may be acceptions, but I don't think this is taking into consideration most people. T4 is a storage hormone, and the full effects of it won't be realized for several wks. In a tiny 15 mg dose, possibly starting out, the 2 wks would be ok for some people, but when we're talking about past 30 mgs, it is too much too fast for a sick body to get used to. We don't know what's going on inside everyone's body at the time that they do this. Re: Re: t3?--Alyce > In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... > writes: > > > Always stay on > > one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you > > need to go up. > > if I had done that, I'd still be sleeping on the couch. Don't you think the > literature indicating that Armour can be upped every two weeks is okay for > some folks? > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 I believe that you and a few others may be acceptions, but I don't think this is taking into consideration most people. T4 is a storage hormone, and the full effects of it won't be realized for several wks. In a tiny 15 mg dose, possibly starting out, the 2 wks would be ok for some people, but when we're talking about past 30 mgs, it is too much too fast for a sick body to get used to. We don't know what's going on inside everyone's body at the time that they do this. Re: Re: t3?--Alyce > In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... > writes: > > > Always stay on > > one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you > > need to go up. > > if I had done that, I'd still be sleeping on the couch. Don't you think the > literature indicating that Armour can be upped every two weeks is okay for > some folks? > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 I believe that you and a few others may be acceptions, but I don't think this is taking into consideration most people. T4 is a storage hormone, and the full effects of it won't be realized for several wks. In a tiny 15 mg dose, possibly starting out, the 2 wks would be ok for some people, but when we're talking about past 30 mgs, it is too much too fast for a sick body to get used to. We don't know what's going on inside everyone's body at the time that they do this. Re: Re: t3?--Alyce > In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... > writes: > > > Always stay on > > one dose of thyroid med for 6 to 8 wks, in order to establish whether you > > need to go up. > > if I had done that, I'd still be sleeping on the couch. Don't you think the > literature indicating that Armour can be upped every two weeks is okay for > some folks? > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 I started the change almost exactly one yr ago. I am 53 yrs old and would not know all the repercussions of fast dosage changes. I did do some fast dosage changes a couple of times, with not so good consequences. As far as being fairly stable on a dosage, I didn't reach my 120 mg dosage until around sometime in the first week of June. It takes time for " repairs " and " catching up " inner workings of the body. I'm not even going to say that this is my only problem, for I don't know that at this point. If you can do this gracefully, then so be it, but not everyone should or can. These body repairs take a long time in some people, and I will not go with the idea that everyone should move this fast. This is as immovable as the mainstream medical world saying that everyone should take Synthroid. We're not all alike (though I'll never believe that Synthroid will ever be a good alternative for ANYone). One of the platforms we thyroidians have here and in other places is that we know our own bodies better than anyone else, and it is one of the main problems that our doctors have in their heads, with treatment. Re: Re: t3?--Alyce > In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:29:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... > writes: > > > I just really got my dose > > reasonably stabilized (though not complete as of yet) several months ago, > > but that doesn't mean that my whole body is in good shape yet. > > > > how long ago did you start Armour? > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 I started the change almost exactly one yr ago. I am 53 yrs old and would not know all the repercussions of fast dosage changes. I did do some fast dosage changes a couple of times, with not so good consequences. As far as being fairly stable on a dosage, I didn't reach my 120 mg dosage until around sometime in the first week of June. It takes time for " repairs " and " catching up " inner workings of the body. I'm not even going to say that this is my only problem, for I don't know that at this point. If you can do this gracefully, then so be it, but not everyone should or can. These body repairs take a long time in some people, and I will not go with the idea that everyone should move this fast. This is as immovable as the mainstream medical world saying that everyone should take Synthroid. We're not all alike (though I'll never believe that Synthroid will ever be a good alternative for ANYone). One of the platforms we thyroidians have here and in other places is that we know our own bodies better than anyone else, and it is one of the main problems that our doctors have in their heads, with treatment. Re: Re: t3?--Alyce > In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:29:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... > writes: > > > I just really got my dose > > reasonably stabilized (though not complete as of yet) several months ago, > > but that doesn't mean that my whole body is in good shape yet. > > > > how long ago did you start Armour? > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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